A lot of it comes across as acting gay to me. Smiling, laughing, being sarcastic, etc. I mean they are all characterisitc of what a bullshitter guy would do compared to a serious, tough guy. James Bond for example, would be all smooth, not smile so often, not laugh so often and appear seductive. When I met this girl, I was all enthusiastic and later she told me friend that I am gay and then I asked her about it and she told me it was the way I acted coming at her smiling and all. I mean I want to move away from this gayish body language to something much more masculine and serious/tough while still being able to get girls.

I see some guys that hang out with A TON of girls and make them laugh and all. However these guys act all sarcastic, make funny noises, raise their voice up high and sometimes imitate the female voice, enthusiastic-like, and just come across as total pussies. I bet that in the eyes of those girls, they only see him as a girlfriend and not as a a real man who can really put them down and doesn't mess around.

Anyone notice this? Advice? Tips?

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hey dude!

hmm, good point, but still, i think you are wrong at the point of making girls laugh. I dont really care how they perceive me, its me who want to have fun. I make funny noises when i want to, i act gay when i want to, i act james bond when i want to. I dont care that much actually.

But i do agree on the direction of your post.Most 'PUA' are basically talking around the bush, not coming to the point because of fear of rejection.

If you wanna be more masculine, try direct game. Mode one. I am a true fan of mode one, although (due to my relationship) am looking into indirect game. Mode one, speak your mind.

Just beware, its not for pussies. You need balls to so. And one other thing, but that is actually common for every part of seduction you are trying to do: You need to be independent of the result. its only then, when you yourself are not emotionally involved, that you can do serious seduction.

So grab your nuts, be direct.

best of luck!

ciao

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If C&F humour isn't your thing, read some 60 or gunwitch, they're straight to the point no fun and games bullshit and they get results. Personally, I enjoy having a laugh because it's congruent with my personality, but if it's not your style then try something else out and see what works for you.

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Thats because it is gay... mystery method suits mystery and people with his style, C&F suits D its his style.

If your a 25 year old black male and your playing indirect mystery method on girls, you wont pull.

Live up to your stereotypes, use them to your advantage.

I see all these PUA artists like DeAngelo and Mystery who know their game and all but they look like "pussies" in a way lol. Mystery. Some skinny guy with funky clothes that looks like a frail heroine addict. And David DeAngelo, who looks like some computer programmer. I mean you can be ugly, but none of these guys have that "tough/rough" look to them.

Jazz, I think you've opened up my mind. Using stereotypes to your advantage really is something. It totally makes sense how a large black male wouldn't be able to pull off C&F.

Man that was annoying...

Pickup is acting gay? Is being talkative and fun gay? Is being friendly and smiling gay? In that case, your standards are way off.

Yeah, Mystery looks strange and David DeAngelo looks stranger. So. They both get laid, nothing gay about that.

C&F is not weak, female of gay in the least. If you use it right. Could it be that the ones you have seen in field isnt that good? Mystery is working his metrosexual thing because he is like a fetish, goth kinda guy.

A lot of girls I know hate the Über-male macho guys. But if that works for you then do it, some like it.

I guess, what Im trying to say is, go with your personality, do what works for you. But if you are so scared of appearing gay... Get your inner game fixed.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

The problem is being fun because it comes off as gay. I try to be enthusiastic, smile, change my voice to imitate different things to have fun and make girls laugh but it all makes me look gay. I see it works for the guys that look like wussies looking all skinny and dressing without any sex appeal but not for me. Studies have even shown that muscled guys get more women than skinny guys.

Yeah, well that is sexual preferences for you. Biologically welltrained men are better off and thus better choices for women.

There are a lot of ways to be fun and smile without being gay. I think that you must just practice more. Drop the fear and do it because it feels ok not because you try to do it...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Oh yeah? Which ones? It's cool, I'll wait. I'm actually a muscular guy, but the tendancy for posters on here to reference these 'studies' whenever it suits their purposes is tiring.

Change your voice? What the fuck?

You don't actually know how you come off because you can't read the minds of the people you're interacting with, and you certainly can't take what they claim about how you come off as gospel. Don't 'try' to be funny, just be relaxed, friendly, and don't take yourself or anything too seriously, you know, have a good time.

Don't 'try' to be enthusiastic either, if you're not feeling enthused to be socializing it's going to show and you're going to experience less success. Just enjoy yourself man. Also, follow blond guy's advice and look into some other approaches. Being really high energy/funny/dancing monkey can deflate the tension you're actually trying to cultivate when you're looking to attract a woman. If you're a more serious guy, use your calm confident demeanor to your advantage!

I think its funny how being direct really is ignored here. it is masculine and hell it is tough if you have the balls to pull it off. No i dont want to point fingers, but this does tell me quite something...

Secondly, to the person who has started this thread: again, with all due respect, but because one girl told a friend of yours that you might come across as gay... Perhaps the first thing you should deal with is not really care that much what other people think about you. One girl says something about gay, and here you are. Of course, in your defense, i dont know the entire situation. Perhaps she wasnt the only one, but still, i really wouldnt care that much.

then there is the thing about muscular guys vs skinny guys. You are basically saying that muscular guys cant be funny and successful with the ladies. That is bullshit and you know it. the thing with muscular guys is that they have a more dominant presence. they look more dominant, and that is what forms the attraction. But skinny guys, although not in an obvious physical way, can be dominant as well.

Then there is the thing with stereotypes. Common dudes!! that you use them to your advantage, yeah, i agree. When somebody brings up stereotypes, use it to your advantages. But live up to them? common! that is bullocks as well!

Supposedly i am stigmatized as nerdy. i act stereotypically and when i live up to my stereotype (you know, the type you want to get rid off) how is that going to help you? That is like testing your airbag by consciously crashing into a brick wall. you cant do Mystery method if you are a black guy? common man! You should now better then that. If you really believe the words you wrote, then i think you are missing the point of peacocking.

@ Nyseto: perhaps you should ask yourself: who am i? And what is it that i really want?

ciao.

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Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

True, and after that happened, I wasn't too surprised. I see all these sexy girls, especially sexy latina girls with nothing cute about them but hotness who look pretty dang serious that only a bad ass tough guy could pick them up. And so what if I could pull off getting one of these girls with the "behind the bush" method. It'll do me no good in the long run. I'll still be acting the way I do around guys and girls and not come off as tough. By acting, I'm referring to The Rock guy from wrestling whose also an actor. This thing is greater than being a PUA. It's about not looking like a pussy in general. When I walk, I can look at people's faces and tell whose a pussy and who isn't. I may be fooled every now and then, but in general you can easily separate the boys from the real men by the way they walk, sit, laugh, move, everything.

I dont want to flame you or anything here man...

But...

That is also true when it comes to reading posts. I can easily separate the confident ones from the insecure ones by the way they write and what their issues are. And how tough they talk. But just as you said, I may be fooled every now and then.

Again not being a dick here I just wanna point out the irony.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

If you think you look gay, you're either doing it REALLY wrong, or you lack confidence. I'm thinking it's the latter. I used to think I looked a little awkward (not gay...maybe you're confusing the terms?) when I would smile, use sarcasm, etc. but once you realize that you own this fucking world, it won't feel like that anymore. If you feel awkward, you'll look awkward. If you feel confident, you'll look confident no matter what you're doing. If you can't come to grips with that simple fact, you need to take a step back and do some reading (start with The Game).

I know, but I'm coming near an end with all of this way of acting. I have a question for you. Up until when, do we stop judging ourselves and changing ourselves due to certain situations? We can't just close our eyes and remain ignorant and forget about the insecurities. When I was skinny, everyone told me to not worry about changing myself for others to become muscular. But I pursued my own goal and guess what, major success! All of this stuff about not caring what people think about you...not changing yourself for others...only makes you ignorant.

In PUA, what I often hear is to be yourself. But practically, everyone on this forum is trying to be someone else because before anyone here found out about PUA, they really were a different person.

Sloot, you're very right. It happens so many times