Hey guys,
I've been researching audio/ebooks/dvds etc. and am not sure who to go with. I would prefer daygame stuff as I don't like clubs for picking up.
So far I've looked into David Wygant, I saw his infield insider and was not very impressed but maybe he's ok?
I looked into Juggler method but it seems to be similar to stuff Mystery teaches with a few special tweaks but didn't really resonate with me.
I've been working with Sean Messenger for a bit and his stuff is good but I'm looking for something more powerful, I'm finding extremely attractive women don't generally respond favourably but it works great on cute girls.
I can't do Mystery Method/Magic Bullets because the routines and bullshit drive me up the wall, it's so fake, like I'm acting.
I've taken the pick up 101 daygame workshop but again it's very similar to Sean's stuff so it works well with above average women but not so well with model quality girls.
David DeAngelo's stuff I found is really fun and works great for attraction but is a little one dimensional.
I've also read Badboy Lifestyle's eBook and it is a lot of re-iteration of other methods as well, however it was really good and easy to read and I have been using some of that stuff with success, but again I find my success coming with girls that are definitely above average looking, girls I've never had before, but still not working for me on girls that are so hot they could be models.

I've become interested in Gunwitch and the "Way of Gun" and heard really good stuff about Brad P but am not sure if I should invest my money in them. I've also heard Zan is amazing and completely natural which would be awesome if I could learn that and work it with extremely attractive women. Out of Brad P, Gunwitch, and Zan, does anyone recommend one in particular?

Thanks everyone!!

i'll try not to be hurt.


i've dated models. didn't really like it, but i've done it.

i've picked up strippers while they were on stage.

i've dated pretty much every kind of pretty girl i can find.

and i did it all just the way i teach. now... what i have found tricky is dating beautiful, shallow girls in clubs. this i really can't help with, and i'm not being judgemental here.

see, i learned how to talk to people who have a pretty healthy self-esteem and a pretty positive view on life. a lot of pretty girls i've met in clubs are unhappy with their lives and really are just looking for someone who either looks gorgeous or can offer them a taste of fame or money.

not only do i not know how to pick up these women, the way i do it ensures they will not be interested. i screen them out.

it's harder to find a beautiful woman who also has healthy self-esteem, but once you've dated one, you really won't want to go back.

now, as for ways to date one, i'd say the best at teaching how to get the attention from shallow, beautiful club girls is still Mystery. no lie. i don't agree at all with his philosophy, but i can't deny it works for what he wants (what a coach of his called "picking up bubbleheads")

good luck on your journey.


btw, you don't have to be fake to pick up beautiful women, but the more fake she looks, the more fake you have to be.

and the prettiest girl i ever saw in NYC i picked up by just walking up to her on the street as she was walking towards the subway and telling her she was the prettiest girl i'd seen all day, and if i let her go by i'd always regret it.

2 nights later we were making out in that same subway station.

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btw, brad p likes goth girls, zan is a male model, and gunwitch is completely insane, so if you want to learn from them... keep that in mind.

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I think your best bet is to start looking at tiny parts and make yourself a hybrid style that suits you. For example, I don't think I have read any of Jugglers material but I love his ideas and view of picking up women (from what I have watched and heard), so I took that (I will get slated for this but here we go) more genuine version of natural game, as opposed to the RSD things which scare me a little, and tried to incorporate it. Then took some of Mystery's style and a few other bits.


I think if you are looking for high quality women, you need to find exactly the type of woman you are looking for and tailor your system to that. For example if it is strippers and models etc Mystery and Sean could probably teach you everything you need to know and a lot more.
As for same night lays Sinn is your man, Zan is a bit of a hero as well I read a little bit of his book and it is gold for natural style.

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great point. the more specific you are about the kind of woman you want, the easier it is to get her.

there are a lot of women who look beautiful. so... what else? who is she?

the reason mystery's stuff works for him is he's always been real clear about his type, and he created a persona that those types of girls are interested in (re: girls who are impressed by magic and/or celebrity).

so what is your ideal girl turned on by? the clearer you are on that idea, the easier it will be.

also, cory skyy has a pretty good track record of dating girls who look great. i haven't studied his stuff much, but his theories on eye contact were pretty solid.

and i totally forgot. AFC Adam Lyon's girl is gorgeous, so ya might wanna ask him what he did. personally, i think he just used that Hugh Grant british accent. American girls melt for British accents.

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Something strange which I would recommend everyone to try is to make a folder on your desktop and get pictures of the celebrities you find most attractive, ex-gfs, girls you know and think are hot, then compare them. Try to think about in a purely superficial way what makes them attractive to you, then think about what other aspects make them attractive to you and somewhere nested in amongst all that is your perfect girl.

I was shocked to find that every girl I like has virtually identical eyes and mouth. I also realized the sheer amount of external factors that are involved in making the whole package.

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Has anybody heard of Oliver Turner aka Grungey10 at Captivate to Connect? He claims to have dated models, actresses, waitresses, bartenders, essentially the hottest women around, and met them all in the day. He also claims that he can teach any man how to attract and date these types of women without ever having to go to a club. Does anybody know if these claims are substantiated? It all sounds really great but if I know this community, there are a lot of claims thrown around that don't always deliver for every type of person.

I know Oliver personally.

Great guy. As for those claims...

I've not seen it. Not that it's not possible, but as a rule, the more someone brags about something, the less likely it is to be true, y'know?

What do you WANT? Do you want to date strippers and models? Fuck, that's easy. Find where they hang out. Look them in the eye. Call them "cutie" and "love." Treat them like you would treat any woman that you like but don't need.

Every stripper I dated came from the same process. Eye contact. A smile. Flrity conversation where I basically looked at her like a cute little girl, a puppy, not some super-powerful whatever.

You don't need some new system. What you need is a better grip on the fundamentals.

The hardest part about dating hot women is FINDING them. The rest is pretty easy.

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Like you said, the first thing you need to do is figure out what kind of woman you're looking for. I highly suggest you check out this thread.

do-you-know-what-you-need-in-a-woman-i-do-vt29674.html

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