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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:35 am 
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Is this a good/bad/neutral idea? I've considered something like Stylelife since I've seen a bit of it, and Neil seems sincere in wanting others to acheive.

Thoughts, anyone?


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It should dramatically increase your game, but it will cost a lot.

Let me put it into different terms. Some of the members on here are currently, or will within the year, be running workshops themselves. For what you would pay for a MM workshop (not sure what the cost of stylelife is, but I'm assuming its probably similar), you could fly from almost anywhere in the world to come take a course with one of the PUAs of your choice on here, pay for the course, stay in a nice hotel and still end up paying less.

Now, I'm not saying that you should expect the same results, these guys do this as a fulltime profession from what I understand. I just think $3-5k is pretty expensive.

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I've been reading MM, and to use terms he uses, I have no frame, my confidence is shot, I have the usual approach anxiety, I've figured out I'm not doing what I want to be, and have no real idea what I want. I figured a course would help a lot because it would be a major investment, but I've made similar choices before and been done over. I've travelled across the world for women twice (once giving up something I'd always wanted) and figure if I did something like that... actually, that may be worth considering.

As for PUAs on here.. I don't know any of them, Is there any way I can see Field Reports, changes in who they are, etc.


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I've been reading MM, and to use terms he uses, I have no frame, my confidence is shot, I have the usual approach anxiety, I've figured out I'm not doing what I want to be, and have no real idea what I want. I figured a course would help a lot because it would be a major investment, but I've made similar choices before and been done over. I've travelled across the world for women twice (once giving up something I'd always wanted) and figure if I did something like that... actually, that may be worth considering.

As for PUAs on here.. I don't know any of them, Is there any way I can see Field Reports, changes in who they are, etc.
Check out the Field Report section. I've only ever posted one, so you won't find out anything about me in there, but some of the other PMZ members might post there more regularly. If you want to see some of how I run my game, Tripp, Doc, or Starbuck run theirs, we all have Stickied threads at the top of this section that you can get a feel of our personalities from. That's not to say we're the only ones on here that will be doing workshops, just that those are right there, you'll need to look around more to find others.

As far as all those things you mentioned about yourself (not knowing what you want, realising you aren't doing what you want to be doing, not being confident, not having any frame), well sadly those are things that even Mystery is going to tell you he can't fix, you need to fix those yourself. No one can tell you what you want but you. No one can tell what career path is right for you, except you, hell I'll give you a perfect example.

After I started working on PUA really hard back in September, I realised I had a natural talent for psychology, its like a piece of me that I didn't know I had lost somewhere until I found it. For the past maybe 8 years I have been working towards becoming a Special Effects Technician, so I could blow up buildings and cars and design car crashes and building collapses and cool shit like that for movies and TV. I asked everyone important in my life what they saw me as, a psychologist, or an engineer (what I was doing to become an sfx tech). Out of about 15 people, only ONE person told me they could see me as a psychologist. Who cares, that's what I am and no one can tell me that, except me. Same thing goes for you, you need to figure it out for yourself.

Once you start taking control of your life and stop worrying about what you need to be doing, what other people want you to be doing and ditching the things you care about for other people (nothing is ever worth that, a compromise can always be made if the girl loved you enough to make her worth anything in the first place), then you'll have the confidence to live your own life. That's how you develop a frame. What you're looking to do is learn pickup as a way to make the rest of your life work, which doesn't really work. The key to being a good PUA is to make the rest of your life work, so that it makes you a better PUA, not the other way around.

So, put on some thinking music, toss on your thinking cap, find a comfortable spot and decide what you want from life, who you want to be and how you want to get there. Go back to the drawing board, its never too late. Once you figure those things out, get on your way to accomplishing those things and once you're on the road, then you should have the confidence because you know what you want in life and then you can establish frame. Someone with no idea of what they want out of life, or what they want to be can't have a frame, it just won't happen, I crush my roommates' frames every day because of that. They try to tell me how things are, make excuses and because I know they have no direction in life I can tell them they don't know anything and they know its true. Figure it out and this won't happen to you.

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good advice Rye Lee! as for your original question Karma I would recommend first looking in the forum for people in your area that might want to go sarging, will probably cost you nothing except for your own drinks and shit when you go out and you may learn a bit of what your looking for. From there you can decide whether you still need to go to a pro mentoring session or one of the mentors on heres workshops.

Best of luck bud,

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yeah i was looking at the cost for mysterys workshops, my mouth literally just dropped to the floor when i saw how expensive it was


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Mystery's seem to be the most expensive. I wonder if there's more value going to that than spending half that much buying all the dvds and practicing for a few months.


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Pricing is a big issue with taking a PUA workshop, because all the big names are charging massive amounts of money and giving you very little one-on-one time.

If you happen to be near New York; Zip, The Saint and Myself will be running a workshop there April 25-27th for 1/3 the cost of what it would be to take a MM workshop with 12 people in it and we'll be focussing on one-on-one teaching, as there will be 3 instructors and a maximum of 6 students. That's right, we'll only be charging $1000 for this! PM me for details on how we'll be taking your game to the next level, with Charisma Concept, or email me at ryelee@charismaconcept.com ! Can't wait to see you there!

Edit: Rye Lee is no longer affiliated in any way with The Saint or Charisma Concept.

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Don't pay for a course until you've looked at ALL of them.


The best ones out there are probably:

Tyler Durden
Vin DiCarlo (LOTS of unique natural game methods)
Juggler
Mehow
Hypnotica
Ross Jeffries


But they are all expensive, so here's what I suggest.

1. Find a friend/wingman who's at the same level as you and wants to work on his game.

2. Get together and pitch in to buy a good-quality PUA resource (like Tyler Durden's DVDs or Ross Jeffries Tapes), most of these are much cheaper than ANY seminar!

3. Take notes, practice the techniques together, memorize only the BEST patterns and routines.

4. Go sarging with your friend for 30 days and set a goal of gaming 4 girls each day using what you learned. At the end of the sarge, discuss what happened, find each other's mistakes, and study the material again. You will sometimes come up with your own material on the spot!


After you've done this, THEN you have proven to yourself that you have the dedication to really work at this. THEN you can sign up for a course.


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Normally after a seminar they sell the audios or videos on their website and it turns out a lot cheaper so if money is a problem you should do that


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I'm currently running some incredibly successful workshops in Toronto for the low price of $600. I have yet to find any other well respected instructors running workshops for the same price, or with the same small class sizes that are part of my commitment to students (no more than 6 students and with myself and another instructor teaching, whereas big name companies do anywhere from 8 with one instructor, up to 24 with 2 or 3 instructors).

Check out the link in my signature for details. The post is a bit long and I'll be revising it soon to make it a lot more condensed, but by scanning through and checking out the bolded sections you get a good idea if it's for you and then you can read it more closely if so. :)

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