3 years into game. first 1.5 years are just reading theory and social circle game. the second half is when i really start cold approaching. study mainly mystery method and RSD stuff blueprint decoded, would say I'm intermediate level. I do very well in group of girl only, mixed group with beta to average ppl, 1-1 with girls. But always don't get along well with the AMOG (some try to tool me beause I'm getting most attention from girls). Note that these alpha can't do cold approach at all, they only do social proof game with group and minion back up. I would consider myself confident and alpha myself, but not always the most alpha of the group.

I can think of 2 solutions: 1)be the AMOG myself or 2) befriend the AMOG. I try them both.

1) I tried this before by having my boundary and don't tolerate any bullshit that I don't agree. Still overall I am nice. But by doing this AMOG will get threatened and they could influence other brainless follower who don't think to be against me. This is high risk high return case. Also even im very confident, I'm not the super alpha guy who always get attention since childhood. Just an average guy and not popular in HS, so people might be able to sense incongruene and find me phony. Other AMOG also probly can sense that I was not the party type and less experience with drug and clubbing stuff they think are cool.

2) So in the beginning of interaction, AMOG will perceive me very well and like me a lot, but as we start to know each other for awhile I run out of things to say because I don't enjoy stuff that most guys do, and I'm not into guys so I'm lazy to get into those stuff. Most AMOG in my city are interested in soccer (sport), vdo games, drinking (knowing the alcohol fact etc), porn, EDM music which I'm not interested at all. Not to be stereotypical, but these interests are very common manly man, AMOG in my society. What I'm interested in are psychology, spiritual shit, music (classic rock and band, not EDM and mainstream stuff), art, bodybuilding. Not saying that these are feminine activity, but are the topic most girls are interested, even bodybuilding lol. Believe it or not when im from, people who go to the gym are mostly girls and gay, most guys only play sport and no gym. This gives me advantage for better appearance tho haha. Since my interest align with most girls, I do very well in 1-1 date with girls. However, I have hard time connecting with guys. When I have no common interest with AMOG, there's no reason for them to hangout with me and there is no reason for me to hit them up, which make me look like a needy person asking for value.

So how should I improve myself on this? Thanks in advance! Do I work even more on my core confidence and be even more presence so that I'm the true AMOG myself so that I can dictate the group conversation the way I want? should I just take new hobby to fit in more with the mainstream? Preferentially, I want to be AMOG, but fitting in seems more approachable. I want to improve this aspect of my game because the best quality girl I want to date is from my social circle, and also I can take them to hangout with my friend. This being say i will still do cold approach. With social proof girls come amazingly easy. example: One of my target HB went with AMOG who was short and ugly but had bunch of friends winging him as he owned a bar, while I was also gaming her, and I hav better appearance , school and job on resume. This just proved me how powerful social proof is. It's all cool tho, I'm ended up a friend with this guy.

any thoughts

yo

The idea of being the Alpha is blown so much out of proportion and really isn't helpful when it comes to seduction. Girls don't care about finding the guy who's in charge of their group. They just want a guy that they can enjoy being around and knows what he stands for.

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Very nice. A guy who sticks to his guns and displays leadership qualities also help. A leader doesn't have to be the center of attention all the time. Have a good time. Let the AMOG pout

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I've had friends that were always trying to be overly aggressive when chicks were around. I'm guessing that by traditional standards they would be the quote on quote "alphas", but I always got all the bitches, because I was always just cool. And if there were enough chicks, we all pretty much got one. I pretty much picked my battles, I knew that talking all the time would make the girls less curious about me because I was telling them everything. I'd just lay low and say some smart or some funny shit every once in a while. It only made the girls come over to me and start asking me questions. Mystery is a powerful thing.

The thing is, the alpha is usually the one less concerned with being it.

My situation is a little different though because all my friends are alpha males. These are the only types of dudes I get along with. I can't take someone sucking up to me, I don't need that. I hang out with people who i can take over the party with. We always been about building each other up, and there would be an instant group call out if anyone of the guys stepped out of line and did the opposite.

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You've had friends that were overly aggressive? So did you cut all contact? I have a coworker who is exactly like that. So I found out the girl I am gaming and that guy had a thing. The guy sees me "spitting game" as he calls it and starts being a little agressive now. Mind you they aren't a thing anymore but I'm like , ok dude. Whatever lol. I keep gaming.

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lol

I still kind of do bro.

Although we don't hang out as much. As I get older the consistent circle gets smaller and smaller. We are a reflection of the 5 people we spend the most time with. I've realized that and I try to only keep those guys around.

I say call him out bro.

Tell him you noticed, ask him whats good. See if he cares, and if he says no ask him to chill.

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Hey guys, thanks a lot.

Give me a very good perspective here. So I guess the best way is to just be cool and relax, not trying anything. However, in the past when I was newly introduced to mystery method, my game was fucked hard. As I newbie I tried to out-alpha people, run random routine, neg and shit, so there were some of my old friends who think I was weird or phony at that time. So I kinda lost my value and respect to some of the people.

My question is how do you regain your value? From my experience, if you were in one group and you lost value and became the odd one in the group hierarchy, it is very hard to reclaim value and become the cool guy why everyone try to gets attention from again. Most PUA will say just to move on and find new group, but I think that approach is like all or none. Also, some social group, in which I lost my value, are groups that I will probly meet the rest of my life because of the small society and too many common friends. So is possible to regain value? What I can think of as possible solution is to disappear for a long time, then come back as a new successful man because change/ improvement can only be observed when u are out of people reality for awhile.

Are you asking all of this because you're hung up on your status in the group in general or is it because you think getting girls depends on your status in the group?

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I would say both. It's nice to be alpha where ppl perceive u well that I am in some group. And girls just get automatically attracted to u.

This might sound egotistical and self centered. I have improved on myself a lot: graduated from high rank university, get good job, workout, model meditate, drop ego, self-help etc. HS friends realize that i changed a lot and pretty successful with life. some even admit it, but when the ex-alpha friends tooled me they seem to follow the ex-alpha again. example: in one trip with HS friends, I ended up getting tooled by guys who were popular back in HS. Now they are not very successful: chode life with unattractive gf, average school and job, gaining weight. If in business setting with random ppl, I would own these ppl that stay where they were. But people seem to want to keep me at the same level I was in HS, which is annoying. Sorry to sound like ranting. Please understand I'm an achiever, when I have something I think can be improved I will find the way and make it. And yes, this will increase my chance of getting with girls.

Is it possible to regain value in group?

To be specific, norma people perceive me well and positively. Then the ex-alpha will start to get irritated cuz I get the attention, then they will try to reframe the stuff I say as being lame, then people will start to follow them. Not long that I can just self-amuse like the tyler and don't give a shit. keep getting lame response then i started to go back inside my head, quiet, and micromanaging. hate it haha

Your thinking is off. If you were to go out and meet a girl while being alone or with one other guy, you didn't get the girl because of your group...you got her because of you. Your thinking to me sounds circular and your approach to things is putting you into a state of perpetual failure.

The fact that you are wanting to go back and hang out with people that haven't increased their own value doesn't really help your cause. Of course they're going to want to keep things the same because misery loves company.

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hey man thx for replying

I get what you mean, but my society is pretty small as most people in this class and society know other people. If I have to live in another situation where they are not involve then yes i dont care a bit, but I live in a situation where I will meet these people once in awhile, so I can't totally exclude them from my reality. True if I cold approach, then are not relevant to my success, which I do cold approach. But in social circle game, there will be girls in the society that will come and go through this group as i say the society is very small. people go to the same club and it build on and on. people judge ur status alone by people that comment on ur social network, it is ridiculous and I hate it, but its my home.

Can you please answer the question "is it possible to regain value"? Cuz that's what I really curious. It's either me accepting the fact that I can't rise over limitation society place on me or I be able to rise about social condition. Which I prefer the latter.

With what you explained, my only solution to you would be is start being successful with women outside of your group and then let your group see your success with women. Once a woman likes who you are, she won't change her opinion on you after seeing you in your group dynamic and your group will actually see your value in having you around when it comes to women.

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