Let me start by telling you I am,
I am not famous or any of that, and I never sarged with anyone in the community, I am just a guy who came across seduction101 when I was about 16, I learned the patterns myself, and obviously in the subsequent 13 years I have become familiar with all or most of the material,I even thought I had my own style at one point, until I realised it was just derivative lol....
I have no contact with the community in a formal sense, and in fact in the past couple of years I have had real financial shit to worry about, don't come at me with no excuses I have done my part and I will again, like I say my situation has been intensely real...
The reason I am writing is:
Increasingly, I am starting to feel like we are a people under siege...we are being prevented from travelling (Julian Beecher), Our TV shows are getting cancelled (Dapper laughs), we are even being blamed for murders, and you know in the case of the ultra AFC who did those muders, we could have helped, the material would have helped him if he wasn't a lunatic....Everywhere I look the word mysogynist is being used to describe us, and that's not who we are, I can't speak for everyone, like I say we never met but I suspect plenty of you out there are just guys like me who do love, have loved and will love women. Some people may come across this material attract one girl and marry her, great stuff, positivity, and inevitably that will have happened on some occasions. I myself met one girl through it and we lived together happily for years, the relationship did happen to break down in an ordinary fashion, but none of that would have happened without this, and they call us rapists? You think she would have reported several years of rape, but no she did not we were engaged.
Pickup artistry is a broad topic, with many different styles, points of view and approaches, that is specifically what defines it as art, you couldn't just look at a Picaso painting and comment on the work of Monet because you wouldn't know the first thing about it, or in a Scientific sense it's like hearing that every action has an equal and opposite reaction and claiming to be an expert in the field of Physics, ridiculous right? It takes years before you uncerstand something like this well enoughto even think of criticising anyone or anything to do withit, let alone the whole lot of us.
Yet these journalists are looking up the word "neg" and they think they know what we are about, it's disgraceful.
I even read today "PUA's aren't like dating coaches because they don't think men need to change" This was in a national newspaper, MPUAs are dating coaches and they know you need to change.
When Dapper laughs on the pull came out in the UK, I thought it was a great development, some people would be helped through tough times, and some women would get the chance to meet some more attractive and improved guys, but they've jumped all over it and destroyed it, it makes me sick when I think of all the help this material; it's discovery, my belief in it, my dilligence to take time in first understanding some of the nuances, and then the application, has made my life better.
I just wanted to put it out there, I sat here, trying to find a newspaper story with positive comments underneath, but they won't allow new comments, and they have edited everything like Big Brother.... and then I remembered I am not alone, some of you must also be feeling this way
Maybe you don't care, and that's fine I respect your right not to give a shit, but remember a lot of MPUAs help a lot of people, and to stop them travelling or making their living is disgusting so I think if you get the opportunity to counteract that in any way possible, then you should,

I will try and counteract it if I can, I don't know another way to help, so I just wrote this

I agree with you on some points and you are obviously from the UK knowing about dapper laughs and the struggles he incurred for putting his head above water.

The truth is the world is changing, everything is changing, no one is allowed to speak out, people are scared to do anything out of the ordinary because society doesnt allow it. If it offends someone so what get over it.

People like julien however took PUA too far to the brink of rape. We come under attack from many groups in this world and alot dont understand. We help men and also some woman who are not confident in themselves we bring out the good and help them grow to better themselves. Its not all about picking up woman in my eyes its about being the best person i can be. Yes i love woman and everything about them and Yes we'll always be under attack but at the end of the day our community is growing and I'm proud to say i study and practice PUA. There is no better feeling in my eyes than leaving the bar/club with the woman every guys eyes were on.

So yes i agree we're under attack but this will always be the case, main stream media is controlled and moderated why would they want to show successful pick up artists or men who can read every single sign of body language a woman gives off. It doesnt interest them they are happy to slate us when one in the community fucks up but they dont praise us for helping hundreds if not thousands of men who are not confident in themselves.

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I seem to be blissfully unaware of this "siege".

Dude who makes rape jokes isn't allowed on tv? Shock. I mean, that hasn't been something the mainstream has been censoring literally forever, right? Oh yeah, no I forgot, they have.

Julien makes controversial videos and then has a backlash? ZOMG! Sky falling.

Except I'm neither Julien nor Dapper, so I'm not sure how this affects me. Also, Dapper is now back on Vines(where he belongs).

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The sky isn't falling guys. Live your life and do what you want, don't worry about what the media thinks.

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I didn't even read your entire post. I could care less what anyone thinks. I don't want to make them understand...my life is going just fine...I am marching at the beat of my own drum. If one day I want to be all about the "movement" then I will. I make an impact by helping those close to me as of now.

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Honestly man, the attention is good.

There is no such thing as bad press. I've got nothing to do with Julien or RSD and even my business has increased a good amount since the whole fiasco.

More people are finding out that there are a group of guys out there who are trying to better themselves as men for the sake of women. Mystery kinda fucked things up back when he brought out the TV show. You could even take things back to Ross Jeffries doing interviews where he just made everyone look like a bunch of creeps.

The "PUA" community has a really bad stigma attached to it. It simply needs to be repackaged to not look like a bunch of weird, overly analytical guys, dressing like members of Kiss, predatorily walking around a night club, seeing women as objects you try to stick your dick into. That's what people think when they hear "Pick Up Artist."

That really does just sound bad.

Back in the day, when raisins first came out... nobody wanted to eat them because they were just dried up, nasty looking fruit. Nobody bought them because of what the stigma was behind them.

But then they came out with this guy...



And all the sudden raisins were the cool thing to eat. They became fun and hip. Same nasty, dried up fruit that nobody would eat before...

So here's the problem....

The way this shit is all packaged.

Look at the advertisement banner on this forum for example....

"BANG 6 GIRLS A WEEK!!!"

Would you be proud, as a man, to be on a forum like this when your friends see this on your computer?

Luckily for me... my friends know what type of business I'm involved in and why I'm on a forum like this. But as a normal dude... This shit looks fucking weird. It looks like a bunch of creeps, gathering and sharing weird techniques to trick fuck women.... Not a place where men share ideas on how to improve themselves as men for the sake of making women's lives better. So why would you ever tell your friends about something like this and embarrass yourself?

The way people are advertising/marketing their shit needs to change otherwise the public view on it will never change. Even being involved in the industry and knowing some of these guys personally... I still feel like their product is just them trying to get rich and not actually help anyone just because of the way its advertised.

It's the industry that needs to change if you want to change the public's view on it. We need the raisin man.

People are prejudiced, misinformed, intolerant, love to have something to hate, and have a deep desire to split everything up in two - "we against them". That's why there are so many sport fanatics.

Currently, to me it seems as if the world is ACTUALLY being split up in two; extremists against sanity. The reason why this is happening is complex I guess, by I think economy plays an important role here. And all this uneasiness spreads, and this community gets it's share.

The solution is as usual - discuss it with people, and do it in a mature and decent manner. Part of being a pickup artist is to know how to make a good impression and build rapport. This very knowledge is exactly what you need in order to describe what this is all about to someone who doesn't know. It's about presentation, it's about choosing the right words and formulations, to connect with your audience at their level, make them understand.

I know I have repeated the following in many posts before, but I think the technique "pacing and leading" is key to all this, and it is excellently described in the first three chapters of the book The Art of Reading Minds by the Swedish author Henrik Fexeus. It's the most important piece of advice I've ever had in pickup.