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The Bad Things About MM
MM stands for Mental Masturbation
Of all the methods in the seduction community, it seems to me that MM encourages mental masturbation THE MOST. If you're not actually stuck in the mental masturbation trap of MM, but you have been before, you know what I'm talking about. I don't need to explain this one to you. If you are a newbie who has found this site right after reading "The Game," however, this one's for you.
Mental masturbation is bad because it creates a comfort zone inside your own head and keeps you from taking action in the physical world. One of the many downsides to MM's analytical nature is that it gives your ego far too many opportunities to rationalize things for the purposes of protection and value-preservation. This actually hinders your progress since you're preventing yourself from calling it like it is. The mental masturbation encouraged by MM will actually create sticking points for you and will force you to dedicate way too much time into this shit than you should. I actually wasted a few YEARS with MM, and I feel like I threw those years away in terms of learning pickup. We can discuss this point further but for now I'm going to move on.
MM's assumptions about attraction
MM assumes that the higher your "value," the higher the attraction. If you've seen this to be true from other experiences that you've had, trust me when I say that correlation does not equal causation. We all learned that one in school. Social value and attraction are related, but you're wasting your time if you're trying to get laid with a DHV story. Other methods have found ways of creating attraction and pushing a seduction forward a hundred times better than what MM could ever offer. Check out that Sexual Attraction thread that I mentioned earlier. Your penis will thank you.
Group Theory
I know I listed this one as a good thing initially but MM puts way too much emphasis on "running sets" and social domination techniques that don't even work out for you in the greatest way in the long run, and not enough emphasis on actually seducing a girl. Sure, you've got Lovedrop teaching pointers on kino escalation here and there, but most other methods have that shit down so much better. Sure, some methods like SS barely have an emphasis on kino escalation at all, but MM is in a pretty low tier when it comes to that, believe it or not. "Would you like to kiss me?" I mean, come on. Really?
Verbal Game
MM is one of the older methods, so I guess it wouldn't be too fair to criticize MM for having such a strong emphasis on verbal game since it's pretty damn close to the era when SS reigned supreme. That still doesn't change the fact that newbies today are using old technology and that they should upgrade. I think MM does teach that it matters more on HOW you say something rather than WHAT you actually say, but it still encourages people to think that WHAT they actually say (routines and DHV stories, for example) is more important than it actually is. David Deangelo already informed us a long time ago that words only make up 7% of communication, but Mystery still told you that you have to indirectly telling girls that you're a preselected protector of loved ones with a story about a stripper ex-girlfriend you've never had.
Dishonesty
It's no secret that MM encourages dishonesty. I don't think I even have to explain how. Unfortunately for the average MM student, consistent HONESTY is one of the most powerful seduction tools you can ever use. Those of us who have been practicing seduction for a long time have already figured this out. And, no, this isn't one of those "direct game vs. indirect game" arguments. You don't have to lie and/or hide behind half-truths to run any sort of game.
Chief, I like your posts but honestly I don't know how you came to these conclusions.
1. Mental masturbation - Can't agree here. Mm is the only if not one of the only schools of pickup that emphasizes going out and practicing. In fact, the newbie mission was something like go out 4 nights a week, every week for a year. MM preaches that only the field will teach you this. Contrasted with other schools, its the furthest thing from mental masturbation. Rsd posts new contradicting videos and articles every day on some new aspect of the game and discuss for hours a million minute concepts and 'paradigm shifts'. Plus red as well as other pickup schools advocate reading other books such as power of now, Tony Robbins, doing meditation while MM kept that stuff simple. So I can't really see how MM is mental masturbation especially compared to the there schools.
2. Attraction - yes the word value is major to MM. But attraction in MM entails teasing, playfulness, statements of intent, games, cold reads, push pull etc. So I can't really consider it as only based on social value.
3. Group theory - yes I can see where the kiss closes are kinda weak. But they are there. There are many routines in MM for Kino with a girl and while they are not as aggressive as new school stuff, its a different style of seduction. New school escalation is more aggressive and dominant, whereas MM is more make her chase you and tease her with escalation. One style gets her turned on from the dominance, one gets her turned on by teasing her physically. Both work and its a matter of preference.
4. Verbal - again its a matter of preference. Some guys like to be the confident direct seducer. Some prefer to charm verbally. Does it matter? No. Once you escalate I don't think anyone can say more verbals vs less verbals or vice versa is more efficient.
5. Dishonesty - yes. It advocates being dishonest with false stories and acting disinterested. You aren't really being genuine and yourself. But what other method allows you to be yourself? Truth is all other books or methods are simply guides that say 'read this, think like I think, see women how I see them, do things I like to do....NOW just be yourself once you've become a version of the writer.' For eg, I met an Rsd guy a few months ago at a college bar and I asked him if he used routines. He said no, because he wants to be himself. But the entire night, he walked around, acted and approached like a mini Tyler or julien. So can you be more yourself with other schools? MM preaches fake it till you make it. Use the routines until you gain an understanding of what works from success. Then you don't need them and you are able to be natural.
In the end, I think MM is definitely good. Its a matter of preference. Some guys want to seduce easily, be physical quickly and bang girls easily. Some guys want to charm a girl, take it slower, build the anticipation. I have friends who do the new stuff IE mode 1, rsd, 60 years.... and then I have friends who do MM. Objectively, I'd say the MM guys I know get more success and quality. And that's across 4 states and different age groups. I go direct most of the time, but I can't deny from seeing actual results that MM is still solid today. I'm a big believer in results and with all the new schools and books, are newbies getting better faster? Has the level of success increased since MM was popular? Guys got good in about a year with MM, and today with other schools the learning curve is the same.
CHAT
