Hey, i'm a senior who goes to a relatively small college(12-13k students) right now and I just turned 21. After visiting the nearby bars I basically concluded that all the college kids basically go to one bar. The other bars are mostly old folk for the most part. So being a person that goes to college and since all the people go to one bar I feel that its weird to be a so called 'PUA'. Its hard for me to start a conversation with a random person so I relay on opinion openers but its extremely hard to approach when I have a gnawing limiting belief that if I get blown out i am going to see this girl again, eventually. Will using opinion openers make me that creepy guy on campus or is this all in my head?

Opinion openers kind of suck, and tend to put you in a more difficult position. That said, it's not the opinion opener that makes one creeper or not. I occasionally use an opinion opener when I think it feels right(which is not often).

But I think the main problem here is that you're taking something super easy(college game) and making it much more difficult(club game). I would never go to a college bar to pick up girls, unless I just had nothing better to do. There should be other parties and events to go to. Much better to meet them there.

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Be reasonable. Yes, if you peacock like crazy that will be creepy. But you can use the principles quite effectively, such as, actually going and approaching. I also disagree with the other poster about opinion openers, they can be used quite effectively but tailor them to college. Don't ask a random question that makes no sense in the context of college students; there are plenty of things you can ask that actually make sense to ask.

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College is more about social game and where you are on the food chain. PUA could help you get there.

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It totally depends on how big your school is. Small school, yes. Big school, no.

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I usually go with the drunk I love you opener. Its also summer time right now so no parties. Also another problem with parties is i'm not the most social guy especially around women and my inner circle of friends don't really party. I have to relay on my outer circle of friends and i hear about parties maybe once a week. I feel like half the frats around here are similar to a club anyway, the music is so loud its hard to have a normal conversation. So I usually hit the bar before the music gets super loud in there.

So you aren't social around women at parties but you are at bars? This makes no sense to me.
Could you elaborate?

Also, get more social friends. You don't have to dump your current COunterstrike buddies, but you need friends who do what you want to do. Parties are much easier than clubs.

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I'm not social at parties or bars thats the problem. I have a little bit of social anxiety and I try to throw myself into these social situations and try to fix myself. But its crazy for me to use these crazy pick up lines and whatnot when i'm at the bar alone I get in my head alot. Should I even use opinion openers at parties? Seems kind of weird.

No it's not good for College in fact it's only good on certain days in the week and depending on the day it may work only indoors or outdoors. There's a PUA app you can DL, just became available for android users and it tells you the PUA forecast for the day. Use it responsibly.

Opinion openers are almost always weird. That's why I rarely use them.

If you aren't comfortable at parties, are you comfortable talking to people? If not, walk before you run. Join some social clubs, try to talk more to your friend's friends. Get used to being a normal amount of social, before you hit up clubs.

People who are successful at club game, usually function well outside of clubs as well. When they don't... they tend to be the guys who give off the "creepy pick up guy" vibe. It's the lack of normal social calibration.
Holy shit! What is it's name? I must download it right now!!!!!!!!!!!

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I think i'm pretty socially inept I'm just not very good at striking up a conversation with a random stranger. If I tell myself okay today i am going to go to a bar/party and sarge, a couple hours before the party or even all day I get nervous and as I walk to this social event this nervousness multiples. When i'm with friends or if I know someone at the party the nervousness isn't nearly as bad because i'll have somebody to talk to and kind of stand near so I don't look like a loser but if I go out alone i'm scarred as fuck since i'm not sure how to talk to strangers.

Today I decided to not game girls since everybody was like opinion openers are kind of weird and especially in a club environment when the music is blasting and your screaming the opinion opener i think it is a little weird too. So today I just went to the bar plopped next to some middle aged guy and was just like "Hey how much is beer around here", he didn't know I made a couple more comments and whatnot. The conversation lasted about a minute or two. The guy on the other side of me was eating a sandwich later that night that actually looked really good and I just asked him what kind of sandwich it was that conversation lasted less than a minute. So this is an example of my lack of conversation skills. Next time I think I should do this again but be a little more prepared like have some canned material ready to say. If I can find an empty seat next to a girl I can ask her something like "Hey do you guys think Mark Walberg is Hot" "My friend is totally obssessed with him and I don't think hes THAT good looking... blah blah blah" and this is actually true so it will be congruent. Even if the conversation doesn't last long I would have talked to a girl and hopefully that will being my AA down if I do it enough times. If i'm sitting next to a guy and not a girl I guess I can replace Mark Walberg with someone else, i'm not sure.

Also, I would also like to know what the name of the app is. I've been thinking about developing a PUA app myself.

It's not that opinion openers are bad, they aren't actually. It's just that MOST girls know you're too afraid to be direct.

Direct = DHV; subcommunicates non-neediness as you're willing to take risks and show you've got balls and are likely used to doing this rather than being a wallflower that life passes by.

Lol. The app was a joke.

Anyway, you say you don't know how to have conversations with strangers. Then you need to learn that first. Start talking to old people. They love talking to younger people, because most of us ignore them. You could sit there like a stone, and they'd just ramble away.

And as previously mentioned, join social clubs. You'll have access to more people that will indeed start off as strangers, but will progress to people you know after a while.

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What do you guys think about daygame on camupus? I go to a small school so i know being direct is not a good idea but do you guys have any indirect openers or situational openers that can help me start up a conversation with a women that makes it seem as natural as possible without making it seem to weird?

I already gave you my advice. What I said applies to a small school and yes you can daygame effectively since you will probably see the same people more than once.

I went to a small school and it was normal to know about everyone's business if you put yourself out there.

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