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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:27 am 
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Hi guys

I need help please. The ladies at work have witnessed the transformation I've gone through from nice guy to cocky ball buster and don't like it. Every time I make a comment they would laugh but ACT offended challenge and tease me about how I've changed.

Am I trying to convey my new confidence in the wrong way? I'm tired of hearing what a sweet guy I used to be and now I'm out of hand.

I think I may have gone overboard on the confidence and they're reading as arrogant.

What's the best way?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:32 am 
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Hi guys

I need help please. The ladies at work have witnessed the transformation I've gone through from nice guy to cocky ball buster and don't like it. Every time I make a comment they would laugh but ACT offended challenge and tease me about how I've changed.

Am I trying to convey my new confidence in the wrong way? I'm tired of hearing what a sweet guy I used to be and now I'm out of hand.

I think I may have gone overboard on the confidence and they're reading as arrogant.

What's the best way?
Thanks!

Balance my friend.... Find balance. That's why I hate the whole "cocky/funny" suggestion because most guys take it way over the top. There is a fine like between confident and arrogant. There is no need to take shots at everyone all the time.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:27 am 
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Thanks man!

And what's the best way to convey confidence and that I don't need their approval anymore?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:04 am 
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Thanks man!

And what's the best way to convey confidence and that I don't need their approval anymore?
Just do you, everyday. Don't make it an act. Literally make it a point to be content with what you do and who you are. Girls come and go....plenty of good looking women have not approved of me or disappeared. Oh well. It is a mindset.

Great thread though. I have come across kind of the same situation. Not so much as I am giving off too much, I think I am doing it right but I feel almost out of place in some groups. The guy are kind of goofy and loose and dorky. I talk to everyone, give my input and such but definitely feel I am giving off the more or less 'no-bullshit' vibe more so than the other guys.

Maybe it is because I am new to my job and seriously trying to take in everything I am learning and not worried about vibing with everyone so much. Or trying to think of vibing so much that I am actually not doing?

Any help would be awesome.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:04 am 
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Exactly Playboi

We need some guidance here.
I've been thinking about just ignoring them, but I'm afraid they might think they they got to me because I'll be quiet again.

Suggestions?

its nice having a place to get backup like we have here hey


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Exactly Playboi

We need some guidance here.
I've been thinking about just ignoring them, but I'm afraid they might think they they got to me because I'll be quiet again.

Suggestions?

its nice having a place to get backup like we have here hey
I have played the pretty-damn-hard-to-get card as well and feel it does not work. The idea of attraction has to be there. I think this is where the push-pull comes in. Let her know you are attracted, flirt, touch, crack jokes and make the situation comfortable in general. Then go about your day without paying her too much attention.

Like you had your fun and flirted and such and if she wants more, she'll be back. Then it is your ultimate ioi?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:39 pm 
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As Playboi says. How can you play hard to get, if they don't know they want to get you?

It doesn't take much.

Example; As I was walking into the gym yesterday, there was a cute woman just ahead of me. Wearing tight ass workout pants (like most), she opened the door 1st, and realized I was just behind her, she politely held the door and turned to see me CLEARLY staring at her ass, I saw she was wearing giant sunglasses, I looked right into them and said, "Wow those sunglasses make you look all hot and summery!" She just stood there, and as I passed her she squeaked out a tiny "hi". I did not reply, but later I looked up as she was leaving, she crossed over the room to approach me, and said. "Have a great workout" with a giant smile, I said "See you tomorrow." She asked what time I come in, a little small talk... Now we are jolly good friends. That's biting the bait, She'll be back for more.

To many reading this, you might think "well that just sounds simple and stupid" But the ones that KNOW, will agree, it mostly is that simple.

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Hi guys

I need help please. The ladies at work have witnessed the transformation I've gone through from nice guy to cocky ball buster and don't like it. Every time I make a comment they would laugh but ACT offended challenge and tease me about how I've changed.

Am I trying to convey my new confidence in the wrong way? I'm tired of hearing what a sweet guy I used to be and now I'm out of hand.

I think I may have gone overboard on the confidence and they're reading as arrogant.

What's the best way?
Thanks!
What you're currently doing is the best way because you are learning to calibrate. Your thread shows that you're putting in the effort to learn.

I also went through the stage of going overboard with cocky and funny, got not so good reactions, and then I adjusted the teasing until my sarges are almost perfect. I can make all girls (and a few men) I talk with giggle and laugh. Girls call me an asshole-- a sweet, charming asshole.

Read through Heywood's example, that's how you do it. But let me breakdown the interaction for you and elaborate on the principles on why it works.

If you're in the same venue, the technique goes somewhat this way:

1. Close the distance with a hot girl.

2. Project a sexual vibe.

3. Make her smile, giggle or laugh.

4. Eject and do your thing.

5. Repeat cycle. If you escalate properly, you're going to f-close her on the 7th cycle.

Discussion of Principles:

Many guys hang on to the interaction for several dozen minutes, even a few hours, until the girl blows them out or gets bored and walks away with some polite excuse. Don't be that guy when you're sarging in venues where girls stay long enough for more than 2 hours.

At the height when you notice she's having fun or getting horny, cut it off and abruptly walk away (push). She'll be wanting more. The sign is that she will go near you to continue the fun or sexual excitement (pull). Give her some more, cut it off, and go about your way.

If you do this push and pull at least 7 times and you're escalating properly, building up the sexual excitement towards a momentum, your closes will proceed more smoothly.

The 7 contact rule is a marketing principle based on several studies that found out that 80% of hot and cold leads buy at the 7th contact or interaction. Note: You can f-close a few girls during the 1st to 6th interactions but you'll have to be very good at reading the nonverbal signs and escalating in the right manner.

The same principle is true in pick up. If you want to get technical about it, scientists call it propinquity. Of course, this is just one tool in your arsenal of seduction techniques. Think of it as an uppercut in boxing. You jab, jab, and then uppercut. You jab, straight punch, hook, and then upper cut.

If you don't get the girl with your jabs, then you'll probably get her pussy with an uppercut. If that doesn't work the first time, give her a jab again and throw a straight punch, follow it up with a hook, and then give her another uppercut.

That's how you will gain confidence with your seduction tools.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:42 am 
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As Playboi says. How can you play hard to get, if they don't know they want to get you?

It doesn't take much.

Example; As I was walking into the gym yesterday, there was a cute woman just ahead of me. Wearing tight ass workout pants (like most), she opened the door 1st, and realized I was just behind her, she politely held the door and turned to see me CLEARLY staring at her ass, I saw she was wearing giant sunglasses, I looked right into them and said, "Wow those sunglasses make you look all hot and summery!" She just stood there, and as I passed her she squeaked out a tiny "hi". I did not reply, but later I looked up as she was leaving, she crossed over the room to approach me, and said. "Have a great workout" with a giant smile, I said "See you tomorrow." She asked what time I come in, a little small talk... Now we are jolly good friends. That's biting the bait, She'll be back for more.

To many reading this, you might think "well that just sounds simple and stupid" But the ones that KNOW, will agree, it mostly is that simple.
Hail to the king, baby!

The sunglasses line was a stroke of genious. I'm a pretty confident guy and a relatively good PUA, but I would freeze out for sure if a girl caught me starring at her ass, let alone say something like that. Kudos for you.

Back to the point. I made the same mistake you made when I was starting out. The secret is ballance. If you know how to drift a car, it's pretty much the same principle. Too much trottle, break or steering and you will oversteer and spin the car, too little and you will understeer and make it too wide, but somewhere in the middle is that perfect action movie drift. It's the same here, you just have to balance the cocky PUA you became with your old sweet version of you.

And two last advices: First, if there is a girl in your work that you really like (I mean, one you want to date instead of just having a one night stand) don't use her as a test subject, perfect your skills on random HBs at bars or something to see what works for you before going in for the target. Second, sometimes you have to throw the rulebook out the window and be yourself.

Let me tell you a story to illustrate. A while ago I met this really sweet girl on my workplace. The kind of girl that besides being hot and totally my type is also funny and smart. I had been studying PUA for a few months, with more success than I taugh possible, so I taught "well, PUA gets me laid, let's see if it gets me a commited relationship with a great girl". I used push/pull with sucess, got her attention, escalated properly... and WAY overgamed her (like you are doing). The whole thing was nearly a train wreck.
The thing that saved me was that we worked together so in the midst of all the cocky alpha BS she saw I am actilly a nice guy, loyal to my crew. So after a few unsucesseful attempts at text game (again, with callback humor, fuse theory, distractors, and all that) to get her to meet me after I moved on to another job, I just said "fuck it" and tried to be myself. I sent her a text saying something like "I'm near our office. Wanna go for a coffee and chat for a bit?" To my surprise, she accepted.
After work I took her to a rooftop lounge overlooking the city, and we sat at a table where one of us had the view blocked by the bar wall. Being a gentleman, I gave her the good seat. After a few minutes talking about how things were going in the old office, our pain in the ass boss, etc. she said "too bad there is no other table available, you are missing a great sunset", to wich I responded with "honey, you are more beautiful than a thousand sunsets" (I didn't meant to say it, but after some time PUA becomes like a second nature). She said "come on, you are always sayng stuff like that and I never know if you mean it or if you are just toying with me". Again, I decided to come clean, held her hand and told her how I started gaming her to get her in bed, but as we spent more time togather I started to see her for who she is, an ambitious, smart, funny girl with great personality; the kind of girl I would be proud to have at my side. I said I meant it every time I showed interest in her, and I never came clean before because I knew she had a boyfriend and I didn't want to mess our friendship (yes, guys, I was ready to accept being friendzoned with this one. I know it is a shock but you don't have to fuck every last girl you meet, sometimes if you have good chemistry you can just be firends and wait for a better oportunity). Little I knew, she had broke up with her bf the previous week. We spent the night togather, she has been my girlfriend for the past few weeks and I coudn't be happier.

All that to say two things:

1 - Tone it down.

2 - Sometimes you have to forget the PUA rulebook and be yourself.

Don't make the mistakes I made, and good luck.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:53 am 
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Thanks so much pua's

I tried ignoring them and they missed my comments and engaged me at least four times. It's almost as if they can feel I'm ignoring them. So I went with the cocky routines and got them to laugh but I will have to find that balance.

Great advice here from everyone, I'm going to try to pull and push away more today


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:41 am 
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Good job Nomar.

You might also want to learn the mechanics of the Emotional Rollercoaster Ride Convo Style with women to enhance the feel good feelings they'll feel around you, here: you-are-ugly-pick-up-line-vt167793.html

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:30 pm 
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Glad you're doing fine. Keep up the good work.


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