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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 10:02 am 
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Hi All, i broke up with my Ex a while ago we have both been with other people and that but still spent a few nice days hanging out together etc, anyway i realized after a while that when we spoke it was always me started and she made no effort at all (which as we no is a bad thing )

So i stopped, and kinda thought well was a nice memory i got my new girl'S, and im having fun its all good etc...after our last convo i mentioned about us hanging out and she never responded so that was that, about 2 days later she got in touch with me for a change, and i was really just blunt and off because i knew she just probably wanted something, and she complained i wasnt replying fast enough, asked if i even wanted to talk to her with a sad face:( etc...

over the last few days she has been contacting me MORE AND MORE sending me little pics of what she has been doing, keeping me posted about her new tattoo, and telling me she has got her nipples pierced now, and yesterday we had this convo where she told me she had been on a date, to which i tried to seem nonreactive am i handling this well if i want her chasing me like i do every girl i meet :P ????

Bare in mind i was in a good mood this day and gave a little more than i had been after all she had started about 9 convos with me in like 3 days so thought i would be nice


Her:*sends pic of her getting a new tattoo*
Me: Whats thats?
Her: Yin Yang
Me:That will look amazing on your skin tone *very pale*
Her:They bother with the white :)
Me: ?English
Her: Didnt need white ink
Me: Lol not on your feet *bit of a neg i guess i was busy and just responded fast lol *
Her:Anckle
Me: Pic?
*she sent me a picture *
Me:Nice wuu2?
Her: Going to get my next one done :)
Me: huh? Where n what?
Her: Phoenix and black heart on my thigh
Me: cool
Her: and my other nipple pierced :)
Me: Didnt no u had first done
Her: Got it yesterday
Me: As painful as anticipated?
Her: It was nothing, i felt like such a wuss after
Me: U said that about your lip :)
Her: i know lol
Me: Phoenix suits u pic me when its done
Her: I mean the place is called Phoenix
Me: Oh thats a shame does ya parents know about these ones this time? :P
Her: Fuck off do they :P Bro found out about my nipple piercing after hearing my phonecall with friend
Me:still a wuss then
Her: Who? Bro?
Me: U
Her: Am not!
Me: so black heart left thing im guessing? *i no she wants a bigger tattoo on her right*
Her:Yep
Me: U been payed then
Her: Yesturday
Me: how loud was the squeek *its her face paycheck new job*
Her: Not very, more wtf? was that it!
Me: Oh?
Her: Yeah :)

Bout 30 mins go by

Her: any chance of getting a lift from town to home?
Me: When?
Her: As soon as you can its for Friend, shes stuck x
Me: Im babysitting till half 8
Her: K x

I finished Early 6:46 bout an hour later

Me: Friend still need help?
Her: No, she got home x

Bout 5 hours past

Her: OMG! Fast 6 is eminence!

bout 3 hours later

Me: kl busy day 4 u then
Her: Yeah :) 3 tats and free cinema trip :) wubu2?
Me: Free? n jst seeing people
Her:Yeah, it was a date *now this surprised me why u txting me if your on a date lol but i ignored the comment *
Me: Bargain n u said three tats? *i only knew of two*
Her: Yeah, you on instagram
Me: Yea
Her: *instagram name*
Her: There all on there :)

*i took a look pretty normal boring unoriginal tattoos tbh, and the third one is actually a copy of one the lead singing of her favourite band has which i hate as its completely unoriginal so*

Me: Copycat
Her: What?
Me: *band name* tat :P
Her: Same place and size and colour as lead singers :P its my sad fan girl one :)
Me:Congratulations u are now definitely a sad fan
Her: I dont care, everyone is allowed one sad silly one
Me: True
Her: What do you think of them?

Now considering i thought they where plain boring and sucked lol, i chose not to respond and went to bed, can anyone give any advise??? the more i back off from her the more she chases but how do i turn this around? and what do u think i should reply if at all to that final message?

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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 1:17 pm 
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Hard to say. Seeing that you broke up fairly recently, it seems like she might just be used to getting your attention and now that she's not getting it, she's trying to "tease" you sexually by reminding her about her body through the innocent pretext of telling you about her tatoos and piercings. Just another shit test.

I think I spied a qualifier in there on your part, so good work but the chance to reconnect is often tempting because it's familiar. In my own opinion, I'd say that she probably just wants you for the attention she's used to receiving, but there may be a potential to game her and have her in a place where she respects you more in the relationship.

The real question, however, is should you? I know from experience how tempting it is to rekindle old flames, but it's usually been better when I've left that relationship be and moved on. The place you're coming from now is a place of justification, you want her to chase you and initiate things, and to give you a sense of satisfaction.

However, when she did respond to you, it was only after noticing your attention wasn't there. She hasn't realised that she lost out on a catch, which she has, she's just trying to assert to herself that she can still get your attention.

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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 1:28 pm 
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We have just had this breif convo where im just trying to seem busy...

do you know best way to go forward if i did want her back, and if not best way so say no but yr just a mate now so im treating u like just a mate etc??? both instance would help???

Her: are you ignoring me or being polite and not giving your opinion on my tats?
Me: there gd, i went to bed
Her: Are we okay? you seem really off with me, i have your money btw (she borrowed some a while back)
Me: im at work, n kl get it off u at some point

she hasnt responded yet but that shows she is recognizing she isnt getting to same amount of time from me as she used to which is good i guess

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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 3:48 pm 
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do you know best way to go forward if i did want her back, and if not best way so say no but yr just a mate now so im treating u like just a mate etc??? both instance would help???
Well she is trying quite a bit for your attention, how long was the relationship? Chances are there's something there, particularly because you broke it off with her. And now she's noticed that your level of attention has dropped, she's curious and you need to maintain your frame.

Basically, this is what's happened so far; When you broke up with her, she realised you had control of the situation (and the relationship itself) and she wanted it back. Women are very aware of the power vacuums this causes. She wanted to get the attention she was used to because she needed self-affirmation, her social market value took a huge drop after getting dumped. Now she wants you to beta backslide into giving her a lot of attention and she's trying to do it by reminding you of her body. You've done the right thing and maintained an Alpha frame, and as a result she's trying to set up a scenario where you two can meet (i.e. the money) so that she can find out what's changed about you from the relationship you had.

If you just want to end it, I'd suggest an outing with friends. Don't game her, just keep being your best self, and let her know that the two of you can have a mature, platonic friendship. If she pushes and tries to get you alone and confess her feelings towards you, calmly say that what she's feeling is natural, but that it didn't work for a reason, and that you feel comfortable enough around her presence that you're ready to be friends again. This distances the both of you from the past relationship and justifies her feelings, while keeping it casual and asserting your frame.

Now, for the fun part. It's also the hard part, coincidentally, because you're about to go to against most of your instincts. The Pick-up Artist is always the exception to the rule. With any Tom, Dick and Harry she'd expect a lot of reaction, but you've done well up until this point.

She's still looking for self-affirmation, but give her too much contact, and she'll think she's gotten what she came for. This could be tough, especially since if you ask to see her it can come off as "How about some dick?". When she talks to you, keep it aloof and detached. The human mind wants what it can't have, and you need to keep her wondering about you. Mystery (wondering about you, not the guru) is your friend here.

I'd recommend more qualifying, mention a time and a place she can drop it off by, but mention that you're busy so you'll have to keep it short. This establishes that your time is valuable and that you know it. It also gives her the time and place to come along, without asking her out on a date. How you decide to play it is up to you, but here are a few options;

1) Around work.
This gives you the chance to demonstrate that these things come in front of her, and that you're more focused on your career than chasing exes. This also subtly communicates drive and value.
2) Around friends/one of your activities. (Allow her to join)
With this approach she has to make time to your social schedule, not hers. Getting her to quickly drop off something during a social night out with friends could turn into an invite to join, but make sure that she doesn't become the focus of the night. Don't invite her to hang out with her friends, but while she's there indirectly offer it. (i.e. "Take a seat" or, if one of your friends offers, reply with a casual non-sarcastic "Sure, take a seat." Keep the focus on yourself by working the group, show your high exclusivity and the demand for your attention and this may ramp up her attraction to you.

3) Around friends/one of your activities. (Don't allow her to join.)
This has the same approach as 2, but reinforces instead that your time is valuable and that she is only "dropping in" to your life, in a scenario completely within your control. Preferably between break time during a sport you may be involved in, or a night out with friends where you have planned activities.

4) This is the most powerful tool, but it's also a risky gambit. It's the ultimate Alpha behaviour, because it's a in the present moment sort of thing. Date other girls. She’ll either come back as a result of dread (Because you are the prize she may have lost out on) and attraction, or you’ll have gotten over her. It’s a win-win.

Just make sure that however you do this, if you recover the relationship that you maintain your frame.
If things go back to normal, she may decide to get the upper hand by dumping you. It's a risk you might have to live with. The best thing to do, especially in this case, is to maintain your frame. If she does, onto newer and better things.

A smart man once said;

"Attention, as a reinforcer, should always be given due to something positive, or when it is needed to calibrate emotionally. Do not give it when she shit tests you, do not give it when she’s crying, do not give it when she’s yelling, do not give it when she’s going ape shit, do not give it when she’s holding out on secks, and do not give it when she’s trying to start a fight."

One last thing; I want you to think about the relationship. And I want you to ask yourself these questions;
Why did it not work?
Why did I decide to end it?
What am I trying to achieve by getting back into a relationship with her?

If the answer to that last question is sex, or that you think that she's the best option, then don't do it. You're at the edge of a long jump and your frame is your parachute; but aim badly and you may end up in shit.

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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 1:11 am 
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Thank you for this i thought u might like a brief update and hope you can help it was an odd convo not what i thought was gunna happen thats for sure...

she asked again what i thought of her tats so i responded

me:the bad one i dnt like no very origianl i like your hearts i hope they have a meaning and the ying yang is perfect really suites u...better x
her: the hearts are the 2 times i felt in love x
me: well might have to move them up one the honesty behind it simple yet deep i like (i know one of those times was me)
her:cheers :)
me: yr up late?
her:drinking
her:makes late nights easier
me:ok
me:are u home?
her:nope
me:want to come over
her: nah with mates
me: ok
her:im probably gunna regret saying this in the morning but im in a bad place right now and reminders of the past arent helping x
me: ok


i didnt think i would get that message and dunno what to do now really tbh :/ just gotta leave her be i guess

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Thank you for this i thought u might like a brief update and hope you can help it was an odd convo not what i thought was gunna happen thats for sure...
i didnt think i would get that message and dunno what to do now really tbh :/ just gotta leave her be i guess
This is my fault. I probably wasn't clear enough. When I suggested talking about a place and time for her to drop the money off, I meant for you to use a position of authority and exclusivity.
You did this well earlier in the conversation, allow me to explain.

For ease of reading I've coloured your responses Red (For Alpha) and blue (For Beta).
I've also marked anything Pink as an IOI (Indicator of Interest) and Yellow as a shit test.

Here's your conversation from before;
Me: Phoenix suits u pic me when its done (Dominant)
Her: I mean the place is called Phoenix
Me: Oh thats a shame does ya parents know about these ones this time? :P Challenging/Playful
Her: Fuck off do they :P Bro found out about my nipple piercing after hearing my phonecall with friend
Me:still a wuss then Qualifier. Getting her to respond with an emotional connection.
Her: Who? Bro?
Me: U
Her: Am not! She's trying to qualify herself to you.
Me: so black heart left thing im guessing? *i no she wants a bigger tattoo on her right* Perfect job of completely changing the situation back to casual. You were in control here.

Now, here's where you went wrong. For the purposes of this conversation, Pink also qualifies to you too.

her:cheers :)
me: yr up late?
her:drinking
her:makes late nights easier
me:ok
me:are u home? Here is where I'm guessing the voice in your pants started to take over. You could have easily turned this into a cocky-funny moment by making a joke instead of asking her over, as it's not what she expects and demonstrates that you're different from all the other guys.

The Pick Up Artist is always the exception to the rule.

her:nope
me:want to come over You're qualifying here. She's successfully stonewalled you (not giving as much attention, so now you're seeking her; sound familiar?) and now you're the one trying to impress her. Not good.
her: nah with mates
me: ok
her:im probably gunna regret saying this in the morning but im in a bad place right now and reminders of the past arent helping x
me: ok

I'm going to say the best option here is to leave it. She's gotten some attention and the mystery is gone (you've invited her out directly-over to your house, something which as a woman she can no doubt see the intent behind.) so now she doesn't have to chase you. She probably does feel a mix of emotions, you were the one who ended it, but she's associating you with mixed emotions.

My advice is to go out, date beautiful women. Other beautiful women. Over half of the world are made up with women, and there are millions of beautiful women out there waiting to make your acquaintance.

Suit up, and move on.

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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 8:45 am 
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Yea thats the plan off out tonight....

out of interest any particular way i should respond if she sends me something like "im sorry bout last night"
or "dont listen i was drunk didnt mean it" etc?

or even if this weekend comes and she asks to meet or something ???

go back to how i was in the first part of the messages? or play it a little nicer this time around ?

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She's missing you and she's going to talk to you about tattoos until she doesn't feel a need to anymore. Then you'll be discarded.

Go AWOL for a week. Just don't text her and don't reply to anything. Spend that time thinking about what you really want, because right now, I think you're acting out of desperation and neediness more than anything else.

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