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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:29 am 
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What would you guys do when a girl says "I'll think about it" or "Maybe" to something you suggest or invitation or anything in general? I personally hate it when they do that. Normally I just say "okay no problem" or "okay next time then" or tell them "Wrong answer. I only accept yes and HELL YES!" then move on with my days. However, recently couple girls told me that I gave up too easy, they would have agreed to it if I have pushed them a bit. I really don't feel the need to play along with their whole hard to get things or beg them to hang out or their uncertainties about things that would throw off my plan of the day. I don't think I handled them poorly but I want to know if anyone would have done it differently.

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You shouldn't have to beg. I like "Wrong answer. I only accept yes or HELL YES!". If they don't respond positively to that, fuck it. It's not that you give up too easily, it's that you realize they aren't the only creature on the planet with a vagina. Good for you.


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"maybe/probly isn't an answer/yes or no"
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if she is just recently met, and you don't have much rapport and you want to screen her out for if she is serious or not about investing then go hard on it

''maybe? how about... never mind, and ''maybe'' I'll hit you up some other time, or ''maybe'' I won't''

then break rapport off, if she isn't willing to invest she will leave it like that and not respond, and you can let it die and delete her number or organize her in to a time waster pile, while you go meet more girls and give her another shot after some time

if she wants to invest brace yourself and look below for the most common female re-frame of all time, or something close to it that frames you as over reacting, don't buy in, what she is doing is bullshit and hold the frame that it is what it is, don't let her side step you

''are you mad at me?''

my favourite answer for this kind of thing, is re-framing her re-frame by putting her in my shoes (and litterally so many girls use these exact words, ''are you mad at me?'')

''do you usually like to make plans with someone, who ''maybe'' can do it? lol, why would I make plans and blow my other friends off for that?''

if she is willing to invest, but is still flake, just build some more rapport without being too needy, and give her a good 3 shots, after the first rapport break, don't break rapport the next few times she flakes, just dis-qualify her ability to use ''maybe''

as for ''I'll think about it''

same thing,

''Oh I see, nevermind, I'll have to think about if I'm ever going to ask you out again''

if you have a good amount of rapport with her and she has already been screened and you are under the impression she is cool and you're enjoying it and don't want to blow her off for lack of interest when you think she has some cause she screened well early, leave her some room to breathe (don't be so harsh if you think she is interested and has already invested), just specify and lead her to dis-qualify her ability to do this sort of thing

''nevermind, lets not make plans for a maybe, when are you free for certain with no problems?''

''nevermind, if you have to think about it lets not make plans, when are you free for certain with no problems?''

if she won't qualify herself for ^ these, then what you do is break rapport (by going NC), and delete her number, or organize her to a time waster pile, screening her out like you would if you had little rapport and go for new girls and forget about her, while she sits in the deep freeze


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if she is just recently met, and you don't have much rapport and you want to screen her out for if she is serious or not about investing then go hard on it

''maybe? how about... never mind, and ''maybe'' I'll hit you up some other time, or ''maybe'' I won't''

then break rapport off, if she isn't willing to invest she will leave it like that and not respond, and you can let it die and delete her number or organize her in to a time waster pile, while you go meet more girls and give her another shot after some time

if she wants to invest brace yourself and look below for the most common female re-frame of all time, or something close to it that frames you as over reacting, don't buy in, what she is doing is bullshit and hold the frame that it is what it is, don't let her side step you

''are you mad at me?''

my favourite answer for this kind of thing, is re-framing her re-frame by putting her in my shoes (and litterally so many girls use these exact words, ''are you mad at me?'')

''do you usually like to make plans with someone, who ''maybe'' can do it? lol, why would I make plans and blow my other friends off for that?''

if she is willing to invest, but is still flake, just build some more rapport without being too needy, and give her a good 3 shots, after the first rapport break, don't break rapport the next few times she flakes, just dis-qualify her ability to use ''maybe''

as for ''I'll think about it''

same thing,

''Oh I see, nevermind, I'll have to think about if I'm ever going to ask you out again''

if you have a good amount of rapport with her and she has already been screened and you are under the impression she is cool and you're enjoying it and don't want to blow her off for lack of interest when you think she has some cause she screened well early, leave her some room to breathe (don't be so harsh if you think she is interested and has already invested), just specify and lead her to dis-qualify her ability to do this sort of thing

''nevermind, lets not make plans for a maybe, when are you free for certain with no problems?''

''nevermind, if you have to think about it lets not make plans, when are you free for certain with no problems?''

if she won't qualify herself for ^ these, then what you do is break rapport (by going NC), and delete her number, or organize her to a time waster pile, screening her out like you would if you had little rapport and go for new girls and forget about her, while she sits in the deep freeze
That's what I have been doing, well in a less hostile way towards girls that I don't have lot of rapport with. I love using their question against them though, I use it during shit test also. They either qualify their own question or shut up :D

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how long are you building rapport? for a number close I like to think if you know 10 things about her and she knows a bit about you, you are probably safe to carry the momentum

but for a day 2, you might want a little more rapport then that, do you feel like you actually ''know'' these girls when you are asking them out?

or are you just like, qualify, qualify, qualify, well she is qualifying this is screening good, it's been 10 minutes... come out on a date?

her:maybe

^ if this is the case, spend a bit more time with the old

I love nickleback too, that's awesome, that never again song is cool (not really, they are gay)

no way, that's like this one time I went to concert and blah blah, you love concerts too that's crazy!

yeah, rock is pretty cool, I can tell you'd probably be that crazy chick up on some dudes shoulders at a concert... etc. etc.

blah blah blah 2 hours later after talking about booze for 20 minutes

''you ever been to that lounge on 5th and blah blah?, it's really cool there, they have live bands sometimes during the day, and the drink specials are amazing''

her: blah blah no,

''really?, what's it like living under a rock, we totally have to go, it will be simply epic''

her:maybe I'll think about it

you: WELL MAYBE I'LL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT KILLING YOU AND HIDING THE BODY (don't say this, use the above example from my first post for when you have rapport and she screens well)

if she says ok, set up specific logistics and get her to qualify in some way that she can make it for sure


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how long are you building rapport? for a number close I like to think if you know 10 things about her and she knows a bit about you, you are probably safe to carry the momentum

but for a day 2, you might want a little more rapport then that, do you feel like you actually ''know'' these girls when you are asking them out?

or are you just like, qualify, qualify, qualify, well she is qualifying this is screening good, it's been 10 minutes... come out on a date?

her:maybe

^ if this is the case, spend a bit more time with the old

I love nickleback too, that's awesome, that never again song is cool (not really, they are gay)

no way, that's like this one time I went to concert and blah blah, you love concerts too that's crazy!

yeah, rock is pretty cool, I can tell you'd probably be that crazy chick up on some dudes shoulders at a concert... etc. etc.

blah blah blah 2 hours later after talking about booze for 20 minutes

''you ever been to that lounge on 5th and blah blah?, it's really cool there, they have live bands sometimes during the day, and the drink specials are amazing''

her: blah blah no,

''really?, what's it like living under a rock, we totally have to go, it will be simply epic''

her:maybe I'll think about it

you: WELL MAYBE I'LL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT KILLING YOU AND HIDING THE BODY (don't say this, use the above example from my first post for when you have rapport and she screens well)

if she says ok, set up specific logistics and get her to qualify in some way that she can make it for sure
I think my problem is the lack of rapport, I generated enough attraction for quick number close and such. But they tend to flake when push comes to shove. I usually want to know at least 5 things before asking them out. Seem like I need to make a deeper connection and rapport in order for it to work and avoid flakes.

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the thing is woman are very predictable. you just have to understand. that's your problem not their problem.
sometimes a yes means a no and a maybe means yes or no. you just have to learn how to read people. if you have no skills thats hard for you and you became puzzled and go make topics like this. just go learn nlp.


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the thing is woman are very predictable. you just have to understand. that's your problem not their problem.
sometimes a yes means a no and a maybe means yes or no. you just have to learn how to read people. if you have no skills thats hard for you and you became puzzled and go make topics like this. just go learn nlp.
I'm not a big fan of getting along with girls that are not sure and honest about what they want. But what does NLP have anything to do with social and behavioral psychology or dealing with unsure hard to get response?

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I normally say.

Good I will take that as a Yes... pick you up at ...

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the thing is woman are very predictable. you just have to understand. that's your problem not their problem.
sometimes a yes means a no and a maybe means yes or no. you just have to learn how to read people. if you have no skills thats hard for you and you became puzzled and go make topics like this. just go learn nlp.
I'm not a big fan of getting along with girls that are not sure and honest about what they want. But what does NLP have anything to do with social and behavioral psychology or dealing with unsure hard to get response?
NLP will teach you how to read people. so you aren't puzzled at awnsers like "maybe".
I always known if a maybe means yes or no.


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NLP will teach you how to read people. so you aren't puzzled at awnsers like "maybe".
I always known if a maybe means yes or no.
And you let them slide with that? Not my style. You're playing into their frame and letting them know that they can keep playing hard to get and you won't say anything. And as for that "maybe" how would you proceed it that was through a text?

In my understanding, NLP has little to do with reading people, it rather more focus on connections between the neurological processes ("neuro"), language ("linguistic"), and behavioral patterns that have been learned through experience ("programming") and can be organized to achieve specific goals in life. I would think social and behavioral psychology would be more focusing on observing and analyzing people current state of mind.

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