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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:44 pm 
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Can someone please give me some advice on which method is best and What is the best way to practice? Is it a collection of methods that one would study and practice?

I currently have been studding Sinn's inner circle stuff which is very similar to MM. Pretty much Open -> Build Social Comfort -> Attract ..etc.

So pretty much what I do before I go out I prepare 3 routines, 2 teases for that night and I run them in every interaction. Is this the right way of doing things?

My biggest sticking point is transitioning/running out of things to say. So over the past few weeks I've prepared some DHV routines, teasers etc and have been practicing in field but I always feel like I have to "run" the whole thing, keep the convo going etc.

Is this normal?

So what I do after I get back home I pretty much thing of how and when when the interaction ended, and analyze what I could have said..and think about teasing opportunities I've missed in that interaction, or other subjects that I could have talked about.

Is this the right way?
I guess the question is HOW to get the most out of my experience/interactions.
What are some methods you guys used to get better?

I've read some interesting stuff on this guy: 60 Years of Challenge, is this any good?, can anyone comment?.

I guess I would mix it up with Sinn's stuff?.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:30 am 
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Ditch MM, full of limiting beliefs, suggests you need to wait for approval before escalation and assumes that seduction is in linear progression.

And yes on 60 YOC, AMAZING book. Very simple, and highlights the importance of sexual escelation.

Try to go out as often as possible. The more you approach, the more likely you'll get more lays. The more you sexually escalate the more you'll get laid.

Read 60's and go out as often as possible and practice it.

PS. Give up on routines, how do you feel repeating the same shit every interaction and not really caring about her opinions and whatever else. I don't mean give up on your routines all straight away, but gradually work your way to natural game, and express yourself more.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:31 am 
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Routines are great way to start, but remember, there training wheels.

But here is the thing problem with routines, and this is why your running out of things to say. Your focusing too much on running routines, and what to say, your not listening to the girl your talking to.

As posted above me, drop routines soon as you can, and focus on what the girl is saying, and free associate of that. You will notice, the girl will do most the talking instead of you or at most, you guys are doing equal amount of talking.

Think about having conversation with a friend, your not running routines, your not thinking of what to say next. instead, things are just flowing naturally because your not too much in your head. This is where you wanna get to on a cold approach.

I remember when I started, I could not hold down a set for more then 5 minutes. Now, 2.5 years later, i am pulling girls back. So, your problem is not a overnight fix, it will take lots and lots of practice and going out.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:27 am 
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Yes, but the issue here is that in the first few minutes the girl doesn't contribute much..if any. if I don't use routines and she doesn't give me anything to work the convo will die.

For example (typical situation)

Me: I open
HB: Hi
Me: I transition with some observation
HB: ok. smiling so (there is maybe some interest)
Me: .maybe use a cold read
HB: not contributing much

ME: I finally run out of things to say because I can't just keep on talking without her involvement.

Another issue: How would I learn it?. I can go out and open and start talking but how do I "get the most out of" the whole interaction if pretty much all interactions end this way?.

I read somewhere that you're suppose to ask yourself: "What did I get out of this situation", "How did the set end", "When did it end".

And the answer is simple: she didn't contribute so the convo died. I mean, I can do 1000's of these approaches but I don't see how I could learn anything from them. Please clarify.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:36 am 
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What Are you thinking?
What are you feeling?

Talk about that. Complimenting is okay. Express your thoughts and feelings. You think she's so hot she should be locked up? okay say that. You want to know what her name is? Ask. You think she looks like a bartender. State it.

In my opinion, Conversations boil down to expression.

Instead of asking for her about her job, guess it.

Instead of agreeing with everything she says, feel free to express your opinion.

You think she has a funny looking necklace, joke about it.

Whatever you think and feel, just be completely honest about it. If She still doesn't contribute to anything. There are plenty more girls around.


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