For the sake of argument, let's say there are two types of pick up schools: the ones that focus on building comfort before escalation (MM for instance), and the ones that escalate very quickly, sometimes bypassing the comfort phase completely (60 years of challenge).

The first school's emphasis on building comfort before escalation means that the pick up might take quite long (some say 7 hours), and that it will generally take place over several dates.

Arguably, the second school plays more of a game of numbers ; they might pre-select their targets by only engaging girls who give them an initial IOI such as eye contact... etc. Escalation is quick, and they might f-close the same night more often (same night lays).

Numerous studies have shown that girls who are ovulating are much more prone to one night stands, and they are therefore a primary target for PUAs belonging to the second school...

Which school of pick up do you belong to, and are your looks congruent with your methods?

Psychologist David Perrett has found in his research that women are generally more drawn to men's faces which are similar to their own ; or in other words slightly feminised (Leonardo DiCaprio type).
However, during ovulation, Perrett's findings show that women are attracted to faces which have much more masculine characteristics (Bruce Willis type).

Thus, PUAs belonging to the first school would probably do well to cultivate a slightly metrosexual look, in order to inspire immediate confidence and comfort. They might be cleanly shaven & wear preppy clothing for instance. Also, the thin-boned, artistic type might fit well (think Mystery)

PUAs belonging to the second school might want to base their avatar on more typically masculine archetypes (the bad boy ; the fighter ; the rapper... etc). They might want to sport an edgy haircut such as a mohawk, or more 'alternative' facial hair such as a soul patch or a chin stripe... They might want to be more muscular and wear clothes that emphasise their physique...

Are you congruent? Do your dress style & facial and physical features match your pick up method?

I'm skinny, but with a bit of muscle and the facial hair of a caveman if I don't shave fora couple of days. I've had success (the very few I had) in both schools, and it also depends if I'm drunk or sober. What does that make me since I'm confused?

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It makes you confused

You can still be successful if you're non-congruent, mind... In fact, being non-congruent could make you a bit of an enigma and give you an emotional depth. However, it might also completely confuse your target...

It is interesting that you take up meterosexuality, it actually works somehow. But dont thing that girls dont like the raw masculinity either, they do.

Look at people in manga, a lot of the "attractive" male characters have somewhat feminine looks, unless they are the rough manly man character.

I would say, if you are going for one of the extremes, the prettyboy is more feminine, cultivated and sofisticated while the bear is rough around he edges and radiates raw maculine sexuality.

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bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

First off love this thread simply because I love psychology and bringing the PUA world into that.

As for congruency I actually realized I fit my style. I am fairly skinny ass white kid, so I wear tight pants tight fitting express/zara shirts or the tight vneck clubbing. A fairly preppy look basically.

Would this mean I am more suited for a LTR type girl and that is how I should play into the girls I game because that is their opinion?

I personally actually like LT"R" because I rather have consistent sex then SNL I have no interest in SNL except for that once in a while ego boost. (By SNL I mean wam bam thank you mam quickies type. I dont mind having sex with a girl the night I meet her and then many times after that cause then she falls into the consistency group)

So yea, should I change my point of view to get them on several dates rather than a one timer? (Just out of curiosity what you think)

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Hey Raphael,

The answer is: yes you should if you want to be congruent.

However, it seems a lot of mPUAs aren't.

OK, take Gambler for instance: he falls into the 'more feminine' category.
And indeed his earlier stuff (the Natural Art of Seduction) is very much based on Mystery Method and focussed on building comfort before escalation.
HOWEVER... his Stealth Seduction stuff is the opposite.
In fact, Gambler even seems to play on his non-congruency: at times his body language is extremely sexual, while what he says to the girl is extremely banal.
Other times, he would appear to an outside observer to be having a very normal conversation with the girl, but he is subtly being very sexual.

Non-congruency can be a strength if you know how to use it to your advantage BUT you have got to be aware you're doing it for a specific reason, and be focussed on the effect you're trying to achieve.

First question Juliet are you a chick?

I'm pretty impressed how you laid your argument out. You were both incisive and succinct, if you came up with this stuff on your own im impressed.

What you have described are the two polar extremes of PUA:

High level, technique based gameing, which I unoriginality call "Croqueting" in my posts. As practiced by Mystery, Swinggcat, Love Systems

on the other end is low level, physical game as practiced by Gary Brodsky, 60YoC et. Al.

Obviously the truth isn't mutually exclusive. The vast majority of people here are going to adept a hybrid approach and hopefully find their own congruency within that spectrum. So we would incorporate elements of both end of the game and vary them as the situation dictates.

Well, I recently came across Perret's research, and it occured to me that you could definitely tailor your looks to your style of pickup...

But: if you look at famous pickup artists, a lot of them seem to be non-congruent.

A few examples off the top of my head:
Mystery: congruent
Neil Strauss: Definitely congruent
Gambler: non-congruent
Carlos Xuma: non-congruent
Matador: non-congruent
David DeAngelo: congruent
Adam Lyons: congruent

I really dont think it is as simple as that.

Sure You may think that Mystery seems more congruent in his tophat than others would but dont forget one thing. He is only building an image based on peoples expectations, it fits because people expect it to fit.

However with enough confidence, anyone can wear a tophat and pull it off. When we just wear whatever we like and dont care about what others think, we create our own rules as what to wear and not. Then it is up to others to enter our world or not, if they do they better accept the rules we have set up.

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bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Of course it's not as simple as that (it never is!), but what Perret's work shows quite clearly, is that women go for different types of men depending on whether they're ovulating or not.

What I have tried to show, is that different schools of pick up are more suited to one type or the other (comfort building schools for feminised PUAs ; quick escalation for masculine/macho types).

If we're looking at Mystery, obviously, the mark of a mPUA is that they will realise the limitations of their method in certain circumstances, and that they will adopt a different approach (hence the importance of calibration).
i.e. If a girl is giving me strong IOIs in a club (eye-contact, but also looking around generally, dressing up sexy... etc), I might reasonably assume she is ovulating (these are the classic signs . If I belong to the 'comfort building' school of pickup, I might want to adapt my game, and try to put forward my more masculine qualities.

Just food for thought...

I can agree on that.

This post goes in line with what you are trying to say:

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bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Good post, with which I agree entirely.

There's more to it though:
What really intrigues me are the non-congruent PUAs...

I've given Gambler as an example, and he's particularly interesting, because he seems to adopt non-congruency across the board. ie.not only is the way he looks non-congruent with his pick up method ; but the way he acts (at least in his stealth attraction vids) is non-congruent with the actual content of what he is telling the girls.

For him, that seems to be one of the key principles driving the attraction he generates...

Yes, if you can pull incongruency off, it adds a bit of mystery (not the PUA) to your character. There is more to be found and there is secrets to be discovered!

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

You make it sound like there is a secret knowledge out there Ezo! Is there something you're not saying?

There are a million secrets to be found, in each and every one of us. The more people you get to know, really to know, the better you understand those secrets. When you can look at a person you just met and say "I completely understand what you mean, and I can relate" without lying, you are well on your way to discover that secret.

"There is no spoon."

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn