To me, pick up is just a bunch of tips and advice that is better than mainstream dating tips. I will be honest, I feel so relieved that I discovered this stuff, because I was bordering on depression and self esteem problems due to my complete lack of any clue about women.

Now I am a normal guy who can get laid, I have no desire to be out there getting through women like some kind of machine. I feel like a normal person now, not a total reject.

The thing I find weird and unhealthy about pick up is the macho ego jostling that goes on and all the bizarre scientific names everything gets. It takes the pursuit of women and makes it just as nerdy as playing D&D somehow. We're expected to revere a bunch of misogynist oddballs who are one some kind of power trip because they're the man with one eye in the kingdom of the blind.

You sounded good until that last paragraph.

Then you look like an AFC biting the hand that fed you....and I don't 'revere' anyone.



RR

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Of course it's hard-wired in the core man. Otherwise, learning Pick-Up would take being born different from the rest of the people. It would be a syndrome/disease.

However, the hard truth is that emasculation HAS dominated and made itself a 'norm' in society. Therefore, the Pick-Up Artist is merely a man looking beyond and above emasculation rather than allowing himself to be a part of it. This is the true definition of a Pick-Up Artist and not some 'beyond regular human' person who knows a 'secret art' and has learned it through 'mysterious ways'.

What you just described IS in fact the Pick-Up Artist. The real definition. And it was very well put. If emasculation didn't exist - a Pick-Up Artist would not exist. Only 'people' would. But today's society doesn't work that way and you know it as much as everyone else does.

Since emasculation, sadly, is the norm of the society - it allows and gives space for the Pick-Up Artist to exist. The truth behind how he works is just simply different from what everyone else thinks (i.e. only certain people are born with it, only certain people can 'learn' it, you are dependent on materialistic needs, etc etc).

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I didnt read everything but i just want to say this, there isnt the perfect meathod for PU but there is the fundamentals of self improvement. Confidence, leadership, style, health, fittness, lifestyle and much more that ultimately makes you an attractive person of society. Therefore you approach apon a sense of natural game because you end up becoming the person people are attracted too.

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Yes RR he is kinda biting the hand, but not entirely wrong. There is something rather amusing to the PU terminology and way of thinking. Getting all technical and coming up with "technical" terms for what is to be or can be done when interacting socially has a nerdy quality to it but is in essence the way we men approach stuff. Whether it´s PU or politics or fixing a car. It is actually funny.

And it´s also true that there is a danger of becoming disrespectful in our attitude towards women the more we get into the game. I actually like the fact that Rough Operator is able to step aside and look at what he´s (we) are doing critically. PU is about becoming a man and that certainly doesn´t mean developing a overblown ego. Simply being full of oneself is not attractive to anyone, but unfortunately that happens rather quickly...

To me RO sounds good way to the end. What RR calls "biting the hand that fed you" I´d call questioning oneself and that is a good thing in my opinion. It´s what people should do more in general, the world would not be half as fucked as it is if they did. If that´s AFC then I´m an AFC I guess. At what point do we graduate from AFC to PUA anyway and who is to decide if we did? Who gives a fuck?

It really is a good question if there is such a thing as a PUA in the first place lol!

3 types of girls:

those that want you=interested(pua helps you not to fuck it up)
those that are in the maybe=(pua helps you convert them faster instead of friendzone)
those that no matter what you do they do not like you=time wasters, probably you not there type, you remind them of a brother or whatever(pua helps you identify those and not waste your time there)

The only problem i have with pua, is some of the "exaggerations" for marketing and unrealistic claims "again for marketing"...


women are selectors, that is 100% correct

But a good seducer is a selector as well...


Just like another poster said the pua word is getting a bad rap, i like seducer...

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All good points.

And it makes sense... I just know the terms I use are there simply for ease of conversation - and the skills I've learned/teach work. I don't make fun of the shit that gets me results I guess - and I took it a tad bitterly...

I need to lighten the fuck up on occasion...and I came off way too strong.

RO - my bad.

Peace.

(In my defense, I was horny as shit earlier, and since then had my readhead over for a 5-hr day of 'private time'... I'm much more mellow now.)



RR

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