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Hi Im calling myself Stallian. I am really excited about learning to becoming a PUA. Im 18 and go to a Junior college. I just wanted the advice of an experienced PUA on where to start. Like what are some good openers for college game. And just any other quick advice you can give a new comer.
Don't focus on the opener so much. Right now, just find some canned lines that fit with your personality and use those, but after you've opened a dozen sets and you feel comfortable with that, you want to use situational stuff mostly, cause it's easy for them to relate to and doesn't require a lot to shift their attention to what you're saying. You'll also find with situational stuff, you can say it and then quickly transition into a conversation, whereas with canned stuff, people tend to feel stuck, because it's often hard to transition into a normal conversation from there.

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First, if a girl shit tests w/ the line "you're being mean" what do think of answering "Nah, I'm just playing hard to get". I am not sure if that would work because it is too honest. But at the same time, it is sort of a neg and sort of cat-string theory. How do you think a women would react? (That question may be better for zip, oops).
My main questions came from last night, my first official night out in Columbia. A great time, but it could have been more. Anyway, at the bar, I was telling great stories, doing my best to DHV, going w/ the flow feeling cool and comfortable. I was with two HBs ( both 7.5-8 ). Walking around I got in a lot of kino but never did it feel awkward. The problem is when I was being driven home. The mood felt great, and the night did not have to end. I called back after being dropped off, being alpha about keeping the party going etc... The girl flaked and I hung up on her. Looking back, I knew I could have #-closed, at least, but I was really unsure of how to break through from "We are just here to have fun" mood of the night, to something more serious. I mean how would go about escalating the interest in girls so they are more receptive to intimacy? Honestly, I felt that there was a wall in front of me, I just needed a few words, to put the night going in that direction. How would you go about convincing a girl that the night should not end, that it is in her best interest to keep hanging out w/ you? Honestly, the way the night was, keeping it going could have resulted in big things for me. I took it for what it was worth, but man, it's hard not to think of the possibilities.

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hey im inn high school and things are a little diff. how can i keep the convo going. i can get the confidence to say hi but after that i blank out. how do i keep it going??


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Dear Rye,

Since you're out of contact for this week, I'll throw out a couple of generalized questions instead.

1) How soon should you SOI a girl on the nature of your relationship, assuming she doesn't initiate the relationship talk herself.

2) Why would any healthy, pretty, funny, happy, smart, fun, energetic, loyal, outgoing, personable, adventurous, dependable, mentally sound, attractive, heterosexual woman between the ages of 18 to 45 not want to go out with me?

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2) Why would any healthy, pretty, funny, happy, smart, fun, energetic, loyal, outgoing, personable, adventurous, dependable, mentally sound, attractive, heterosexual woman between the ages of 18 to 45 not want to go out with me?
You realize that's a lot to ask for, right? You've got a laundry list of expectations. Are you all of the things you're asking for?


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2) Why would any healthy, pretty, funny, happy, smart, fun, energetic, loyal, outgoing, personable, adventurous, dependable, mentally sound, attractive, heterosexual woman between the ages of 18 to 45 not want to go out with me?
You realize that's a lot to ask for, right? You've got a laundry list of expectations. Are you all of the things you're asking for?
Had to answer this one first and although I'll get to all your questions, it won't all be tonight. Check back tomorrow.

I am all of those things and I expect the same in the women I pursue. The only one that might be on shakey ground, is the mentally sound part, but I'm only crazy in the fun ways. :wink:

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Dear Rye,

Since you're out of contact for this week, I'll throw out a couple of generalized questions instead.

1) How soon should you SOI a girl on the nature of your relationship, assuming she doesn't initiate the relationship talk herself.

2) Why would any healthy, pretty, funny, happy, smart, fun, energetic, loyal, outgoing, personable, adventurous, dependable, mentally sound, attractive, heterosexual woman between the ages of 18 to 45 not want to go out with me?
1) That's quite a vague question, because I could tell you to say, "Hi" and that would be how you start to indicate to her that you want a relationship, or I could tell you to "stick it in her" and that would be apt to, cause that's how you show that you really do want to have a serious relationship with her.

2) What have you shown them to make them want to? This isn't a thing where you are considered worthy until proven otherwise, you need to show them that you are worth their time, because you are approaching them and because they are being approached by so many people, that they could probably care less whether you are there right now or not. If you can't demonstrate value, then they don't have any reason to want to go out with you.

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Hey Rye, please answer my question.

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hey im inn high school and things are a little diff. how can i keep the convo going. i can get the confidence to say hi but after that i blank out. how do i keep it going??
I can't do that for you, you need to start living life. Read things, do things, if you do that, then you'll have stuff to talk about.

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First, if a girl shit tests w/ the line "you're being mean" what do think of answering "Nah, I'm just playing hard to get". I am not sure if that would work because it is too honest. But at the same time, it is sort of a neg and sort of cat-string theory. How do you think a women would react? (That question may be better for zip, oops).
My main questions came from last night, my first official night out in Columbia. A great time, but it could have been more. Anyway, at the bar, I was telling great stories, doing my best to DHV, going w/ the flow feeling cool and comfortable. I was with two HBs ( both 7.5-8 ). Walking around I got in a lot of kino but never did it feel awkward. The problem is when I was being driven home. The mood felt great, and the night did not have to end. I called back after being dropped off, being alpha about keeping the party going etc... The girl flaked and I hung up on her. Looking back, I knew I could have #-closed, at least, but I was really unsure of how to break through from "We are just here to have fun" mood of the night, to something more serious. I mean how would go about escalating the interest in girls so they are more receptive to intimacy? Honestly, I felt that there was a wall in front of me, I just needed a few words, to put the night going in that direction. How would you go about convincing a girl that the night should not end, that it is in her best interest to keep hanging out w/ you? Honestly, the way the night was, keeping it going could have resulted in big things for me. I took it for what it was worth, but man, it's hard not to think of the possibilities.
First off, do me a favor next time and put some paragraphs in.

If a girl says you're being mean, if you are, then tone it down some, but I like the "hard to get" line. Sure, it's honest, but where have you read that being honest doesn't work? Being honest usually works way better than avoiding the truth, because it is more believable. It's also a funny spin on the typical male-female relationship.

You shouldn't need to make a sudden big push at the end, it doesn't work like that, you need to be displaying your interest and having the interaction heading in that direction over the course of your interaction. If you are trying to turn things that direction at the last second, it is gonna be a very hard sell, especially if until that point you were just "the fun guy".

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We'll do on the paragraphs. I still don't know how to subtley push the night in the direction that I want it to. The Dr. said that k-closing ought to be attempted earlier in the night and I sort of tend to agree w/ him because even if the kino is there and she is comfortable, how is she going to know that you are truly interested. Thanks again.

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I've not been using routines in attract phase, not even came up with any stories to sub-communicate. I've just been talking to them relying on my personality to convey my attractive traits, cocky + funny and humour, throwing in the negs and disqualifiers. Occasionly showing pre-selection and good social proof.
But do you think
not using the routines is effecting my game and so im not building as much attraction as i could.
Or do routines not really matter so much, so that its not important i use them.

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I've not been using routines in attract phase, not even came up with any stories to sub-communicate. I've just been talking to them relying on my personality to convey my attractive traits, cocky + funny and humour, throwing in the negs and disqualifiers. Occasionly showing pre-selection and good social proof.
But do you think
not using the routines is effecting my game and so im not building as much attraction as i could.
Or do routines not really matter so much, so that its not important i use them.
I don't use what would typically be refered to as routines, at all during the interaction. I tell stories that sub-communicate my good qualities and I don't write them down, rehearse them or anything, I simply use whatever the most apt story in my arsenal is for the situation at hand. I have a lot of stories and you do too, whether you realise it or not.

That's the first part, now the second part for getting attraction, is I ask questions, or phrase my stories in such a way, that they volunteer information and then I identify with that. They identify with what I've said and a bond is formed.

Routines are great if you don't like to think on your feet and be natural, but if you don't want to be a pretend person, then drop the routines and rely on your social comprehension to interact with people and make them interested in you.

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What are good combinations of routines, the ones that logicaly follow each other, so it feels more like normal communication and not presentation of different scripted BS.

For instance

Who lies more...
Who lies better...
Are you a good lier?
5 questions game
4 questions routine (millionaire, jacusy, big 25 sm penis, gay)

is this good?

WHAT can be used after those as follow ups?

How can i insert multiple threads while presenting this material, so it would be easier to start a normal conversation after?

Can you provide your field tested examples of other routine combinations?

Any comments would be really appreciated


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