Hmm i wonder why they say that about the show, sure if you are already familiar with the material its some what redundant but otherwise for beginners I think its fine. Especially seeing the transition between pretty much the bottom of the barrel to regularly talking to women I think that in itself is motivation to beginner PUAs that have problems approaching.

In the beginning canned material is what you would go through to get comfortable before you start coming up with conversational pieces of your own. Nothing wrong with that, I never used canned material for fear that if the girl already heard it the game would be lost from the get go. Unless you are trying to be cheesy/sarcastic to get a laugh out of the girl then its okay.

When I first started on the road of PUA i was my friends wingman he was a natural and could game anyone anywhere. Some times the sets were about even looks wise other times I would have to dive on a grenade lol. My friend always told me "this looks rough let me buy you a drink" and with that I dove on the grenade. Over time we came up with a routine, this one time at a club we met these two girls. One was a solid 7-8 the other was well large even by my standards (don't get me wrong i like girls with a bit of meat on them bones especially since i'm a bigger guy) the girl wasn't ugly in the face but no thighs or ass (i'm a BIG fan of both) and not a super cute face.

We approach girls after my friend handed me cash for a drink, we put them back to back while facing away from each other. After a handful of mins my friends flies away his target I give the 1-2 min wait and I ask the girl if she wanted a drink? I went off to the farthest bar in the club got myself two drinks lol. Just in case I happen to come across her I bought myself two drinks. As I enjoyed my two drinks and talked to a few other girls my friend texts me to meet up he got kiss close and a number he was ready for a another set. We didn't see the girls till we were about to leave the club we happen to come across them... without missing a beat I told the big girl "where did you go?! I came back with two drinks and you weren't there I think you ditched me". She apologized sooooo much said she thought i ditched her because i took too long (well i did but still lol) and wanted to give me her number (hah yeah right) before me and my friend just left the club. Mission Accomplished.

But not all wingman situations ended out with me taking the big girl or the least desirable girl in the group. There was another time when me and two friends were at a bar in NYC (I live in jersey about 10-15 mins out from Manhattan/down town area). We spot three girls 2 Caucasian 1 hispanic girl, well being hispanic I definitely dove for the hispanic girl. They were all older than us maybe like a year or two so not a BIG difference. Divide and conquer we separated the girls to make them easier targets while maintaining eye contact with the other guys in the crew in case of emergency maneuvers. I start off with "geez you are soo rude you aren't buying me a drink or anything" amazingly (i was pretty drunk at this point mind you) she gave me some of her pitcher and we started talking.

At one point in conversation she said she was going to go out for a smoke...she asked if i wanted to take a walk and smoke with her. Mind you I do not smoke at all BUT I knew there was something to be had if I made a small sacrifice. We go outside of bar take a walk catch a smoke and she invited me to her car. I immediately text my friends "going to rain in for 20 mins" which is code in our group to "block girls from texting/leaving for 20 mins". Got kiss and bj close that night, before any ties were made I texted my friends to meet me at the corner of the block so we could leave and it doesn't get weird lol. Yeah i'm an asshole.

So there are MANY advantages to having a wingman around, though I have to admit i've known my best friends for 13+ years so we are very familiar with all the terms and non verbal communication when gaming girls. When I'm around my alpha friend I always play wingman, he introduces the talent and I can do quite well talking/entertaining. Alternatively around my other friends I am the alpha and do the opening/talking and they pick up from there.

When it comes to remembering canned material, lines or a story I like to refer to a part in the movie "reservoir dogs". Where an undercover cop is tasked with memorizes a good story about his illegal dealings in order to seem more legitimate to the criminals. He had to keep practicing the story even if just saying it in the mirror over and over till it seemed fluid and "real". There should be no hesitation while you say things, because it can easily lead to a dwindling attention span from your target. Never ask for permission just assume that the girl will comply and your DHV will rise. As always bear in mind that you do have to do work, you can't just expect to kiss a random girl and that they will be into it.

With what was said above seize the moment you don't have time for regrets. If you ever get a chance to kiss a girl don't ask just do. This goes also with going further than kissing I always say if a girl doesn't stop you just keep pushing that barrier. If she stops you be a gentleman and respect that.

Dressing the part is good, as always not the final straw in anything but I have found that it DOES help. I have gotten more positive reactions while wearing things that I thought looked and were a little on the pricier side than some of the stuff I thought looked good but didn't quite get the same reaction from girls.

As far as Express I assume the addy would be something like express.com I usually just buy shirts though I have started buying dress shirts and jeans from there. ALWAYS catch a few compliments while wearing clothes from that store, could just be because of the area I live in. I am 26 by the way and as I said above I live in New Jersey heavy urban area RIGHT outside of New York City so that may be a factor. A good tip would be t o ask your female cousin or even female friends you want to put in the friend zone (this is a viable tactic which I will explain later) on their opinion if anything.

I used to shop in pacific sunwear a lot hell I still use most of the jeans from there from time to time. The shirts every now and then depending on where I am going, laid back environments like just going out to a movie with friends, a concert or something similar and I fall back on my pacific sunwear clothes. Classier bars/clubs or other venues I run with Express or other clothing companies AE, banana republic etc.

For number closing I always had a tendency to give out my number rather than taking down a girls number. Apparently there are people that are VERY adamant about getting a girls number so YOU can call and make decisions when to contact her but ::shrugs::. I have never had any major problems with giving my number out, I get texts/call backs higher than 80% so I would say thats not bad at all. I usually accompany the number giving with "text me sometime and I might get back to you, but I never answer calls" with a sly smile. Just a personal preference as I hate talking on the phone with ANYONE lol but I will text like a fiend.

It gives women a small measure of "power" when they can contact you and shows you they are taking initiative to get to know you. You can measure how long it takes for them to text and what they text as a good indicator of interest.

Now back to "friend zone" and the ever popular move I like to call "the reverse friend zone". I have tested this both personally and passed this on to my friends, doesn't work all the time BUT as I tell my friends "if you are in friend zone, you are already dead in the water so it can't hurt". Basically what it entails is forcing a girl that friend zone you to be your friend and enforcing that you are no longer interested in her and she is now in YOUR friend zone.

For example my friend was friend zoned by this girl, all she did was talk about her ex and used him as an emotional pillow. He tried to invite her over to hang out she would always make an excuse so on and so forth everyone has been in friend zone one point or another. His grand father passed away recently and I told him it's perfect friend zone material. I told him to USE the girl as his personal emotional pillow and hammer into her mind she is "such a good FRIEND for being there". Lay it on thick like i said before since you are in friend zone you are dead in her eyes anyway so you can't lose.

Well what do you know the girl after a week or two she tried qualifying herself to my friend and they were on equal ground. Started showing interest, IOI's, etc but by that time my friend became interested in a girl that actually likes him and they are starting to go out now. So being well um me? I told him to lead on the other girl then crush her spirit by saying she is such a good friend and that he is interested in another girl lol. I have to admit i'm a bit of a bastard at times. It worked so well that the girl is texting him constantly asking him if his relationship is going "okay". Mission accomplished. My friend regained his honor as a man and all is well in his world.

I guess I do seem rather sadistic/machismo reading back on a lot of stuff I have said... yeah I can't help that. Learned through getting hurt many times have a heart just hide it well less you want it to get exploited. When you find a girl that reciprocates feelings share your feelings with her.. but measured. Is there anything in particular you want to get pointers on or other situations you are working on?

I don't know, could have just been some dude who thought he was so good at PUA that the show was beneath him. It's very disconcerting that the show even exists to be honest, because I saw the "hey pick a number between 1 and 4" line used on there, and that means any girl whose seen that show knows about that, and that sounded like one I could actually use while still sounding like myself. Many of the lines I read in "The Game" made me think "okay that might work, but I'd feel like a hell of a scrote saying something like that..."

Nevertheless I guess it wasn't that popular of a show, and it's not like I've never been shot down before. The thing that worries me about getting shot down for using a canned line like that is the phenomenon called pre-selection. If one girl decides I'm obviously trying (poorly) to game her, she's likely to tell her friends then I'm a little more screwed, but escaping this village when it finally happens ought to help tremendously with that because around here everybody knows each other, and if you fart inappropriately, a rumor will get started that you've committed sodomy...

Pre-selection is also working against me in the village in which I currently reside, that's why I'm working so hard to get out of here. Growing up I wasn't raised by either parent, and the only person who cared enough about me to teach me stuff about living was, well... incredibly old. For this reason I felt as though I was socially underdeveloped for a huge part of my life, and I've been trying so hard to play catch up.

As for the show, I'm seeing the value in it, if nothing else it's an inspiration to see these guys (who were obviously a lot worse off than even I am) improve bit by bit. It's also nice to kinda try to get to know Mystery and his dudes a little bit. It's like subtle lessons in how to act like an alpha dog. I'm about to watch episode three as I type this. Poor Spoon. It looked like he had so much potential! I wish I was qualified to make a living helping guys like them, it would be such fulfilling work because I can empathize with their situation.

I really do hope Mystery is still conducting his little training sessions by the time I can finally afford to attend one. I want to go so bad.

As for the sadistic thing, I think any guy whose been in my position can relate to having feelings like that. I can't say that if I ever get decent at this there won't be some karmic retribution rendered to some certain hot babes. It's offensive that women just can't be attracted to the person we are naturally, and that we have to analyze and practice a certain methodology that comes naturally to a small percentage of guys just to be on a date-able level. Reading about you gaming a blowjob out of that chick, and encouraging your friend to break that other chicks heart made me feel a little better

As for seizing the moment and actually taking that kiss close when the chance happens, I don't think I'll have a problem with that. It's just sensing when the moments right that I might struggle with. The other night I kiss closed a fatty that I wasn't even interested, just to practice getting over the butterflies. She still texts me even though I told her I only wanna be friends (before kissing her). I plan to do quite a bit more of that shit (only hopefully with better looking women, lol).

Express.com is now bookmarked, btw.

I like the logic in giving out your number. It's like forcing an IOI if they have to be the one to call or text you. One time (long before I discovered the PUA community) I walked up to an 8 who was working in a wal-mart gas station and said "Hi, I know this is completely random and hope it's not inappropriate, but you're beautiful and I was wondering if you have a boyfriend, and if not if I could have the privilege of buying you dinner sometime." It worked! But the chick didn't feel safe enough to give me her number, she wanted to be the one to get ahold of me first. It turned out that this girl actually did have a boyfriend, but she didn't tell me that until I had done blown my chance by not knowing how to properly follow through on the foot in the door I had been given. Ended up kiss closing her a couple times though before getting shot down. It was the farthest I've ever made it with anything above a 6.

I can relate to how you feel about talking on the phone too. I fucking hate just sitting there, forcing all my attention into one direction while my phone turns into an oven over the course of several hours, and it feels like my arm is about to fall off. If you want to talk that much just come fucking hang out with me so I can f-close you! I do text like a fiend too though.

I actually think I was (miraculously) able to figure out somehow on my own how to stay out of the friend zone after establishing attraction and comfort through just plain getting lucky and having the right circumstances fall into place. I then verified this in the Mystery Method handbook. This lesson was taught to me by an HB7 I was really into in high school, with whom I had established both attraction and comfort, but failed to seduce. I will never make that mistake again. Having dedicated myself to not allowing that to happen again, I can safely say I'm not bad at the actual seduction, my work just needs to happen in the attraction and comfort building stages.

I wish there were other situations that I was working on, but when it comes my good old village, the problem is simply a lack of diversity, combined with having already gotten stuck on the ass end of pre-selection. I'm trying to make some friends in the medium sized town down the road, and it's working, but it's slow in coming (as building friendships can often be). As far as pointers go I'm just working my way slowly through the Mystery method at the moment (on page 63, I could have read it all by now but I'm intentionally going very slow so I can properly absorb the information, and take notes). I'm sure I will be needing clarification on something soon enough but I don't really have anything to ask about at the moment.

I'm intrigued by the concept NLP. I think I'm going to work through some of Ross Jefferies stuff after I finish Mystery's shit, if there's anything to it. If I could both implement the Mystery Methodology while at the same time literally HYPNOTIZING chicks I'd become an unstoppable force to be reckoned with! It's nice to dream.

Ever looked into any of that? What's your take on NLP?

You did the right thing for you. But it still came off like you were chasing her.

What concerns me is your study of MM. You can't rely on MM to help you know what to do in EVERY situation. It's impossible cuz life is so varied.

You have to start making your own decisions like you did here and LIVING with them. Don't ever call yourself stupid or beat yourself up for messing up. YOU STILL WENT FOR IT, so a pat on the back is necessary. You learned something, so you win.

Good job!
Md1

Thanks man!

I realize MM won't apply to every single situation, but for me it's a good starting point. I'm learning a lot of obvious shit from it that comes naturally to so many other dudes.

But yea, definitely gotta stop beating myself up so much, but now that I'm starting to realize what I'm doing wrong in a lot of situations, I'm coming to realize that it's not always my fault. Attraction is not a choice.

How might I have handled that situation so it didn't look like I was chasing?

By the way this is Seeking, I changed my username today.

I have never actually read any of the books, I only saw the show about a year or two back and just started coming to this forum a few months ago. So no idea what NLP is actually lol. Like I said i've watched the show way after the fact that I had some game, I spotted out a few things that i was doing subconsciously but I knew were problem point for friends so I referred the show to them.

That is something i always thought when coming across canned material, which is why i never attempted to say a line. If the girl heard the line before she will think less of you unless you are smooth and salvage the situation quickly. Does it work? of course there is someone out there that will always for it because they never heard it. But I like to think you want to go out there with every possible advantage. For people just beginning starters IS that advantage but as you start growing and learning what works best for your specific area thats when it isn't an advantage because you thought up for more clever things to say.

Hmm yes that is something that is rough, I don't have much advice to give when it comes to small towns as I am in a heavy populated urban area. Being so close to the city is also a MASSIVE bonus. As that is where I do my drinking and socializing so I tend to meet new people all the time one way or another. So sadly the only advice I can give is be more social get into people's social circles and network the crap out of them.

Just about anyone you meet even if they aren't up to your standards it doesn't mean you can't get anything out of them. Girls that aren't great looking, guess what probably have some of the hottest friends or better looking at the least. The goal is to infiltrate her group without making her get too attached while you browse through her friends and get your pick. The reason you don't want her to get TOO attached is because you will be "marked" and some women have a bs concept of "woman code" (lol its funny right?) and will not hit on the same guy their friend likes even if that friends has 0 chance.

I have even gone to bars and made friends with guys to get in their circles when it looks like they are over their heads surrounded by girls. There have been many instances where befriending a guy in the group works out as if you befriended a girl in the group he was in. Two examples that pop right out during my adventures was 1) crowded bar in NYC i'm hanging out by the bar, guy and his asian gf are waiting for a drink some how idle chatter starts with the guy. Guy decides i'm cool buys me a drink, wishes me a good night give him the guy salute and go on my way. Later on in night guy passes by me goes HEY! introduces me to his gf's friends talked for a bit nothing really bearing fruit but was pretty cool to get hand delivered a cute girl. Guy proceeds to buy whole group (which included me at this point) a BUNCH of shots... Lesson learned even if the gaming didn't quite go successful (no sort of close) got drunk essentially for free I call that a good night lol.

Second example was at a frat halloween party I went dressed up as a boyscout seeing as I just used an old uniform from grammar school. I successfully guide my friend into a set (i was his wingman) and ditched the girl I was winging while my friend made the get away. I am waiting on line to re-fill my cup of beer while a bunch of guys talk about my boy scout uniform saying how they used to be boy scouts and what not. I entertain them with conversation as I am waiting still waiting on line. A few mins pass by and I have a full cup of beer and a few shots in my walking around for some game. One of the guys I talked to earlier passes by with a gaggle of good looking women. Greets me as if I had known him my whole life asks me how its going and introduces me to his female friends. Needless to say I snag one girl, thank him take her out to the dance floor and kiss close. If that wasn't enough I leave the dance floor for a bit ANOTHER guy goes "HEYYY BOY SCOUT!" talks to me for a bit with his group which included more guys than girls. I make a few passes and conversation isolate two girls. As if by magic my buddy finished up with his girl and came in a great time to even the odds. I introduce him to the girls and we isolate them. Dance for a couple of songs get ANOTHER kiss close, for some reason not sure if it doesn't occur to me or it just doesn't matter i don't bother getting number closes lol.

Point of the story is infiltrate social circles and watch it play out in front of you, may not always work but then again very few things in life are guaranteed. By talking to these guys i build mutual rapport and they introduced me to girls or free drinks WIN WIN in my book lol. It should be noted at the frat party i didn't know ANYONE there except my friend who brought me there. I even in engaged in random idle chatter with just about anyone, so when I was gaming girls everyone was saying "hey" to me so it seemed like I was the life at the party by "knowing" everyone.

About karmic retribution.. I was a year or two into college when I met this indian girl in my class i was really into, I even forgot some of my "game principles". Did the stupid thing bought her flowers for her birthday since i knew she liked them (how dumb of me like i said i forgot my principles). Mind you I have never really gamed indian girls at that point most of my game was on caucasian girls and very little hispanic girls. Just a thing of comfort as all my best friends came from irish/polish/german background I adapted more to those cultures than of my own.

After i messed up with the indian girl (buying her flowers, feeding her attention) I just gave up on her saw her in class but started talking to another girl. One day she asked if i was going to use the school gym maybe we could meet up and work out. At this point I was at my lowest weight (224 but everyone thought i was 180 so i was more lean or wore my weight well ::shrugs::) i told her i may meet her there around the time she gets out of classes. I got there an hour and a half and worked out to the limit running/cardio, weights etc. By the time she strolled in I was covered in sweat wearing shorts and a shirt. But the look on her face was priceless as I walked out of the gym JUST as she was coming in. I wish i could of taken a picture she literally stopped stared me down and said... WOW... I smiled winked at her and told her to enjoy the gym. Of course she tried to text me a couple of hours later to "see what i was up to" but I never tried to game her again. In my eyes i had the upper hand and i became disinterested in her leaving on a positive note.

Another moment not as glorious but still story worthy it was near winter time and my friend invited two girls over. He gave me the nod and went with the other girl into a different room. Managed a kiss close with her but she didn't want to go any further. I didn't think a lot out of it at the moment shrugged it off was content with getting kiss close. A couple of months later (summer) me and the same friend decided we wanted to pass by one of our favorite clubs, we knew it would be closing soon but we figured we could pick up a few girls leaving the club. It just so happened that I saw the same girl I kiss closed with a group of her friends, with a guy that was obviously trying to game her. I just gave a chuckle as i saw her and socialized with everyone getting out of the club just hanging out being very casual. As soon as the guy left her side she comes out to me and goes "HEY i know you.. wow you lost a lot of weight you look hot.. when are we hanging out again?". My friend being well "that guy" called her a whore to her face lol she stuck out her tongue and put her arm around mine lol. I just laughed and didn't give a response as the guy she came with came looking for her to scoop her away to drive her home... I laughed about it and I went home that night, I didn't bother contacting her because i felt bad for the guy who put work in all night for me to snatch it away.. AND because apparently she thought i was overweight and thats why she didn't hook up with me a couple of months earlier.

I have to admit i am a pretty spiteful person when it comes to girls lol. I know some PUAs would say "Oh you should of hooked up with her anyway" and they may disapprove of everything I have said. I consider myself to be morally ambiguous to me the world is pained in various shades of grey. Who CARES if i missed out on an opportunity at least i didn't cheapen MY version of morals/principles. Especially when there are so many girls I was gaming at the SAME time, of course i also had my "bottom bitch" at this point.

If I didn't make any significant progress during the night I would call up my "bottom bitch" and she would be waiting at my door ready for WHATEVER i pleased. Sometimes that even included coffee lol. I think its always a good thing for every guy out there to have a "bottom bitch". Because your game is more on point, you still challenge yourself to go out there and get something good. You have the confidence while you game "hey if this doesn't work out, i can just have something waiting for me when i go back home". Some people would think it would just make you lazy with your game, but for me I was VERY relaxed just knowing this. So when i approached girls I wasn't focusing on just sex (i have something waiting for me at the speed of a text) i can game very casually and not apply unneeded pressure.

About clothes/express not sure if that is stylish in your area but here in the metro/urban area things like that are IN. They always have sales of some sort and they even send out coupons are you can print them from your computer, if you have a next gen phone you can get mobile coupons. So something that initially is a $200 jacket maybe goes on sale 40% off becomes $120 there is a coupon if something is $120 or more you get $40 off you now have a $200 jacket for $80! I know some people will say "oh its just a brand" but like i have said every time I wear something from express women must instantly know and I get TONS of compliments. I hope that everyone knows a compliment is an opener for a girl so just go right in and start your GAME.

Thats pretty good to hear that you took the initiative and took a big step to approach an 8 like that you should be proud. Even if it didn't quite work out it's still something that you analyzed and learned something from. Also some more wood to throw on the fire, girl has a bf.. yet she makes out with you... Poor guy lol, this is why i never felt bad when i did something towards women. Breaking a poor guys heart they deserve to be played out.

One time i was hooking up with a girl that lived around my block it was on and off always good to get a quick confidence booster before going out for the weekend. WELL one time I go over her house were are about ready to fool around and her phone rings, she goes alert says she MUST answer the phone. I shrug it off and just busy myself while she is on the phone. I don't listen to most of the conversation but i catch the most important parts "i'm here doing homework alone..miss you.. okay love you". I am pretty suspicious at this point and i ask jokingly "oh is that your mother?". Her response "no silly it was my boy friend" i just pause... and say "yeah.. that isn't right". She goes onto explain it isn't "cheating" if she doesn't have feelings for me. Disgusted i tell her i just got a text my friend is waiting for me at my house wave good bye and make my exit. Ever since that day i haven't hooked up with her, i still say hi and bs online with her but i wont even touch her.

I often reflect on things like that and i remember my mother's words of wisdom "focus on school/career, do what you want with your life, always trust your intuition and 'be' with women if you have to but don't let them slow you down from getting to your goals". Have to admit that my mother probably should of been my father, she is fiercely independent, stubborn and for some reason HATES women lol. I tend to take more after my mother and I follow that mantra as much as i possibly can. It hasn't failed yet.

When i was younger and being friend zoned I came to the same conclusions, it just transferred onto over general life over time. I used to have "conversations" of watching the same movie or tv show not saying anything for half an hour or so JUST because the girl wanted to be on the phone together... It drove me mad because the phone was uncomfortable I was burning through my cell phone minutes AND i wasn't getting any closer to my goal. When i check my phone bill my average monthly cell phone minutes is around 25 a MONTH. Most of that is checking voice mail or calling a friend to say "outside in five". Texts/picture texts tend to be in the thousands and also unlimited.

You might consider looking into the NLP stuff. Some people swear by it and "The Game" says it works, and so far that book hasn't steered me wrong. I'm anxious to look into it but I just don't want to load too much stuff on my plate at one time.

Once I get used to what to say and when I'm sure my dependence on canned material will be greatly diminished. So far I've been trying to do this naturally but that's only because I haven't gotten around to my flashcards yet. I just want to use it to get used to doing what I have to do.

I'm going to talk to an Air Force recruiter next month so I'm hoping that if I do that it will get me into a more populous area, not to mention in much better shape and with a much better income and social status to work with.
I'm coming to realize that. As I said I've always been a little behind socially but I've always tried hard as hell. The friends I do have are the close, been around forever, really deep relationship trusted types. I think I've made great strides in the department in the last ten years and continue to do so.

I have definitely been trying to branch out and make new guy-friends though.

I love your karmic retribution stories, dude! Someday I hope to leave a trail of broken hearted 10s wherever I go.

I would love to have a "bottom bitch" but I am just not on that level yet (you're talking to a guy who hasn't been in a relationship that lasted more than three months ever, despite having wanted to). Short term game is one thing but getting a girl to stick around, and be at your beck and call despite the fact that you're still going out to game other girls just sounds perplexing to me.

And yes, bitches like that do deserve to be used.

Andd, if you don't mind I would like to refer you to a post I just made about a situation I found myself in last night. got-outalphad-last-night-vt88547.html

I always find it advantageous to have many "friends" laying around, though I only have about 6 or so best friends I tend to have a lot of regular friends or people that I know on the side lines. I have to admit I put them through a rigorous and constant training regime to secure their loyalty. My best friends also inherited a perverse sense of humor to me so when we go out it's almost like everything we say is entirely in code lol. It's good to have people you can rely on as much as you can rely on yourself if anything crazy were to happen. As a bonus different friends leads to different groups of friends, I love my best friends but sometimes they don't want to go out or do something in particular. So I call my other group of friends to go out though nights tend to be horribly unpredictable thats half the fun lol.

When gaming multiple women you have to ride that delicate balance because girls WILL get jealous but in some cases you WANT them to be. As you may have read elsewhere DHV's are a good thing, so what better way to DHV than letting a girl know that you ARE wanted by other women. It stirs their competitive spirit and gives you an edge because now they have to try and "out do" the other girl you are talking to.

A simple rule of thumb when doing this though is no specific mention of the girl or what you may or may not be doing with the girl in front of the other girl. This also works if you are out somewhere with a girl and you happen across a conversation with any other female. Even if its a server/cashier/etc taking your food order just be very nice with a dash of game on there but not real game just very polite make server girl smile/blush without going over the top. For some reason the girl you originally came with will try and put the attention on her and vie for YOUR attention. WHY this works i'm not sure like i said I have never read any books on "gaming" these are all observations that I have either personally gone through or have seen myself IN PERSON.

In the past when I met a new girl one of the first things I would tell her is what i dubbed "the disclaimer":

"listen I don't want to break your heart or anything i'm not looking for a relationship right now. so if you think you may catch feelings i think we are better of just as friends"

or

"i'm just single enjoying life right now, i'm not a player i just haven't found the right girl to settle down with. when i make the choice to be in a relationship i want to make sure its with a girl i really want to be with"

back when myspace was popular i cleaned up lol. I did the "rapid fire method", every week I would search for girls in my area send 15-20 friend requests. About half to 2/3rds would add me as a friend. All those that added me would get something on their wall/page akin to "hey there i thought you were cute so i added you, send me a message sometime if you want to chat =) ". Of those 10-15 girls maybe 1/2 of those (about 5-7) would respond back to the message I left on their page. Of those 5-7 maybe 2-3 girls I would meet up with and hook up or sex close. It wasn't a perfect system by any measure but at least every week I had a few meet ups/dates.

I found being brutally honest to a girl usually helps. I am a horrible liar so I don't lie do i omit truth? yes but i never flat out lie about something especially when asked about it. I told the girls before hooking up with them the disclaimer and said i am talking to other girls if they felt uncomfortable just let me know. It never changed the outcome though, even if some of them did end up getting hurt it can't be helped its an occupational hazard.

Saw your thread and I almost had an altercation at a bar i frequent maybe a month or so back. The bar i usually go to is very laid is considered a college bar so there is beer pong, foose ball, darts etc. Cheap drinks (for NYC) and the crowd is very varied, some nights you will see everyone wearing business suits and girls in nice dresses in heels. Other nights you may see a bunch of college aged kids just hanging out in t-shirts jeans and sneakers.

So my friend was going to play beer pong with another friend of mine while i was hanging out by the bar talking to my bartender. When I notice this huge mongo guy approach my friend at first i think the guy just wants to say "we have next" on the beer pong table. But then I notice his posturing it was very aggressive he was obviously drinking too much but I couldn't hear what he was saying. Without a word I i signal my friends to keep an eye on the guy I inch forward getting ready to punch the guy in the side of the face if he laid a hand on my friend. I knew being a regular at the bar I may be asked to leave for the night (which is fine it was only 2-3am and bars in NYC don't close till 4 so had chance to get elsewhere).

Thankfully nothing happened the guy threatened my friend took some of his beer and went off into a corner. When i asked my friend later that night what happened he said the guy did threaten him for a beer and he told the guy, i'm not going to fight for a beer you obviously need it more than i do. Now usually i am a VERY laid back guy i try and avoid any sort of escalation or violence I can. But when I see on of my b est friends being threatened i'm ready for whatever happens. Which actually goes onto a BIGGER story but since it doesn't relate that much PUA wise so I won't write it right now lol.

I'm no stranger to violence living in an urban area means you are bound to come across it one way or another. In grammar school i had someone put a shard of glass against my throat before they got scared and ran. I've seen a fight break out and heard the ricochet of a bullet bounce off the wall behind me before I RAN for my life lol. I've been jumped before, I have had people ATTEMPT to rob me, etc. It's part of life things happen and events snowball and there isn't much you can do about it but brace for impact.

Learning about some sort of self defense wouldn't be all that bad of an idea. usually helps you shape/tone your body not knowing your body type not sure if its needed at all but always good to know in case a fight breaks out.

There will always be a guy that believes he is alpha where ever you go, even if his game is AFC status he will believe himself king of the domain because there is no one better around. The other day while i was at a bar (did i mention i love going out to drink?) me and my friends observed this guy that looked like a total tool/douche. Looks wise this guy could of easily picked up girls left and right... except when we saw him trying to "game". Not sure what he was trying to do but what it looked like was him gaming ANYTHING that was within 5 feet of him.

Not only that, but even if a girl was being polite and talked to him for a second he latched onto their group and looked too much of a try hard/annoying character. So of course it was me and my friend's duty to rescue damsels in distress. While the guy just failed at gaming them, me and my friend go for the coordinated "wow that guy doesn't get the hint right?". To which the girls instantly complied moved away from the guy and started talking to us lol.

Like i said maybe where this guy was from his little "routine" or whatever he was trying to pull comes off as game. He even looked like a PUA but once he started gaming and failing horribly with anything it was quite a sad thing to see. Especially when you could tell that HE thought it was working... yup lol.

one day i have to post a link to my old myspace or facebook account but I do not want it getting flooded. purely to prove the point you don't need to look great to game women. You just have to have game! Hop this week works out well for you good luck!