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Yeah, but usually everyone wants to act like George Clooney. No, really, 99% guys you will ask, they will try to be intelligent and cool by saying how they would try to find another solution for the situation. I mean, pickup guys, you go with all that peacocking thing, right? What's a better way to peacock than going into a brutal fight without anyone expecting and leaving everyone speechless? of course when people ask you why did you fight, just say "for fun", "for the lulz". I mean, risking health, life, reputation, friends, etc...just for fun, what can be cooler than that? You are basically fearless, and don't give a shit about anything. True alpha!!


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Hmm seems like most responses are given with the scenario that a fight will happen. I agree no one wants to be that guy who threw the first punch.

One trait of being alpha is being "the leader of men". IMO, it would be more alpha to talk to the guy trying to fight and make him realize that it won't solve anything. I have a 9 years of martial arts under my belt so I'm not giving an answer from a person who can't handle a little scuffle. I think, especially if you are with a girl, it would make you look better to be that leader of men and take authority. Make sure the other guy knows there is no need to fight and from a college perspective, everyone is out just trying to have fun. If you pull it off, it shows charisma and you won't be dragged down to someone else's level - you keep cool and keep your frame.

On the other hand, if someone throws the punch at you, by all means defend yourself.


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On the other hand, if someone throws the punch at you, by all means defend yourself.
It might be TOO LATE when that happens. If someone comes fast close at makes his hit, you won't probably evade unless you have tyson reflexes. I didn't. I am lucky that I am okay with taking hits to head and don't really give a shit, but I learned the lesson...ALWAYS HIT FIRST!
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I agree no one wants to be that guy who threw the first punch.
Why should you be like everyone?

You know I like those russian politics who just start beating each up in parliament or on TV. Mostly I am talking about Zhirinovski:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExfLOwmSD88[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbifHevHekE[/youtube]

What is a minus, that he does this too frequently, so people just start accepting him as an eccentric bastard, but he still has the power and he isn't afraid of anything.

Seriously, this man is really confident in his beliefs and as you see doesn't care what anyone thinks of him.

He is a bastard, an idiot, but alpha, and I respect him.


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If you want to really read into it then not fighting but not backing down would be the most alpha thing plus if you are trying to be alpha there is probably a woman present and women hate violence, so as a rule of thumb talk your way out of it if they come for you pull the old bottle trick and go towards them and they will probably back off.

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The points have been made, avoide it at all costs but the second you think its gonna happen make sure it doesnt - by any means.

Generally social status can help a lot, either if its just through your ability to difuse it or the fact you 6'5 mate with hads bigger than most guys heads turns up and stands next to you. As a general rule i will keep "the big guy" within a whistle distance, the is no better way to ddifuse a situation than to non-verbally show you have the upper hand.
The last thing is if you are in the situation your alone and you know your going to get hit. This is VERY rare, 90% of the time they are bluffing, 90% of the time you have "big guy" around and the chance of going agaisnt the odds are very low, when it does happen you need to know how to take them down swiftly, efficantly and preferably without lasting effects. I spent quite a lot of time talking to people who are into martial arts etc to find the best way and that is a palm hit to the lower throat and/or under their rip cage. That way you will wind them and have the chance to get help. That is the overall goal whenever your in this situation, dont give a shit about "fair fight" and get the bigs over to avoide it or to make sure your going to be fine if it does kick off.


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Yup, I think it was chopper who said "if they want to play by rules they should play cricket" hehehe

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Yup, I think it was chopper who said "if they want to play by rules they should play cricket" hehehe
hey i like cricket :( haha


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best way and that is a palm hit to the lower throat and/or under their rip cage.
This works only in theory not in reality. Martial artists usually don't know jack shit about real street fights because they are training for the ring or not using real contact at all. RL is not like that.


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best way and that is a palm hit to the lower throat and/or under their rip cage.
This works only in theory not in reality. Martial artists usually don't know jack shit about real street fights because they are training for the ring or not using real contact at all. RL is not like that.
let me hit you on the bottom of ur throat then we'll chat :)


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best way and that is a palm hit to the lower throat and/or under their rip cage.
This works only in theory not in reality. Martial artists usually don't know jack shit about real street fights because they are training for the ring or not using real contact at all. RL is not like that.
WTF?

What part of "martial" don't you understand?

Their are two main subsets of martial arts, sport, usually full contact and works well enough, talk to V1V about that, I think he had to retire from MMA becuase of an injury, but he's gotten out of a fuck load of shitty situations thanks to what he has learnt in MMA.

I myself although familiar with BJJ and Judo am on no real level to compete in a proffesional sporting level.

Since I was about 9 I've hopped from one martial art to another, mostly with the traditional styles. (These are generally the more "street" styles, seeing as inventing styles of fighting for sport, such as BJJ, is quite a new concept as far as the history of fighting goes)

Admittedly not all martial arts will teach you well, however most of that is based on the teacher and their own plus his/her's students attitudes tp what it means to be a martial artist. (If you ask me western capitalism along with health and safety. Has led to the bastardisation of a good number of martial arts. Example "kuk sool won")

Now as with the above point, if your elbow connects with even moderate force with someone else's temple (a triple nerve cross-over), they are going to hit the floor and are probably not going to get up for a while.

It's just a physiological fact.

My point remains on the subject.

1. You do not need to fight if you don't want to.

2. If you are going to fight, be fast, aggressive and first. FAF. MUTHAFUCKA! :lol:


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let me hit you on the bottom of ur throat then we'll chat
If I am sleeping, sure it will be effective. But in a real fast fight, you won't probably be able to deliver such a targeted perfect blow with enough force for it to be effective...unless you have been training this for years. Seriously, its not that easy to hit the opponent precisly. That is why you should just do some low kicks swooping kicks or something, they almost always hit somewhere.
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2. If you are going to fight, be fast, aggressive and first. FAF. MUTHAFUCKA! Laughing
CORRECT!


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If I am sleeping, sure it will be effective. But in a real fast fight, you won't probably be able to deliver such a targeted perfect blow with enough force for it to be effective...unless you have been training this for years. Seriously, its not that easy to hit the opponent precisly. That is why you should just do some low kicks swooping kicks or something, they almost always hit somewhere.
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2. If you are going to fight, be fast, aggressive and first. FAF. MUTHAFUCKA! Laughing
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You'd actually be surprised, get the jump when he's standing still and you aim for an area like that.

You've already won, besides most idiots on the street don't/can't evade and don't bother with blocking.

Just knowing how to throw a good hit and where to throw a good hit is a huge advantage.

An untrained guy can punch another man a good 3-4 times, before the other guy starts to feel effects.

Fact is most people have NEVER been hit by someone who knows what their doing.



Ultimatly for your untrained opponent fighting consist of stand still and flail arms, if you get hit step back, if he steps back you step forward.

They have no concept of a guard or of evasion, usually they are so hyped up on adrenaline the concept of actually fighting smart doesn't cross their minds.

It's incredibly easy to just lay a hit right on their chin if you stop thrashing around and just focus on what your doing.

From what I've experienced and learned from others most people can't take more than 2 hits from a well trained opponent. And thats without strikes to the groin or temple etc


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Or you could just go batshit crazy, tackle them and shove your thumbs in their eyes

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Or you could just go batshit crazy, tackle them and shove your thumbs in their eyes
Only nerds go batshit crazy. Alpha males are balanced and they won't do more damage than necessary.


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