Typical bla bla about something that needs no thought.

If the date went really well, then both parties should be jumping at the opportunity to see each other again, and contacting the other party ASAP would be the best way to make that happen.

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OP said that it did go well and he didn't jump at the opportunity.

However, this is a forum...you may need to find another place if you don't want to know the thinking behind opinions.

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Well said.

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As far as I can tell, there's no consensus whatsoever about this stuff - here or elsewhere.

So again, best not to overthink it.

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It's not consensus that's needed. It's understanding. The thing about explaining why someone thinks a certain way affects the belief system and once your belief system is in check...you don't overthink in the moment.

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I think it kinda depends on how you acted on the date and before. If these chicks are looking for bfs or serious dating, you ran "nice guy" game on them, opened up and all that shit, then disappear after a makeout...yeah, not a good idea. If the chicks are casual, flirty, not looking for anything serious chicks and you ran player shit and "this is all just fun and casual" shit then you can get away with a bit more time. But you shouldnt be killing the momentum either way. Many guys date the "looking for a bf" type chicks, they do all the deep connection stuff before and on the dates, and then cheapen it by acting aloof the day after. If chicks are losing some interest over A DAY, then you're probably gaming like a potential bf. Whatever role you pick, stick with it.

The matter of the fact is if you're interested in a girl and the date goes well, why go silent ? Are you just going to let the emotional momentum just disappear ? Is this how dating should be, show someone a good time and disappear for a couple days and pretty much play some mind game about whether the other person actually liked them or not....not a very charming thought is it. Stay congruent.
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Edit: and lets be honest here, we are dealing with women, who overanalyze things and go through 2 million scenarios in their heads. I am in the company of women most of the time and their conversations about other men have to do with how they behaved, what they said, did he mean that, what does he mean, etc.


Your job is not to go through that process^ all you need to do is stay put and play your cards right.

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Lets be honest, if the date went well no harm can come from a quick text the next day. saying it comes across as needy is bullshit, this aint tv. now if youre going to send multiple texts the next day without her replying first.. or texts trying to validate youself then thats a different story. other than that, leaving time between your next text can only do damage.

and to the guy that thinks a good date always ends in at least oral sex.... ar you on crack? or is that just the girls you are dating?

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I've been where the OP is before. I would just bail and find new women. I want passion and excitement on the first date.[/quote]

A lot of great advise men! Thank you!! I think this is the way Im going for now... just let them go and on to the next. My focus now is to perfect the 1st date so as to get the lay or as close a possible every time. I dont have the time to repair a possible fuck up if Ive made one and there are far to many women in my city to worry about it. Id rather put my energy into a new girl and not make the same mistake again. I love this forum and thanks again for the advise!!!!!

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Good point - which is why I always suggest being upfront and open about what you want from a woman. It helps put their mind at ease and will generally lead to the best outcome between you and her.

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It does come off as needy a lot of the time. It's like a little sad puppy: did ya like the date? sniff sniff...did ya? sniff sniff arooooooo!

If the date was awesome, she'll be blowing up your phone. That's what women do.
That's a needy mentality. It assumes:

She has nothing going on and that you'll lose her right away.

Women will purposely and subconsciously (especially if they''re an 8 or above and on the fence about you) wait to see if you are emotionally centered if you don't hear from them. This is how the vet the needy betas and psychos.


Not all of my dates end that way, only the GOOD ones do, and those are the girls I keep around. I don't have time for women who aren't completely into me (and vice versa). I also don't have time to qualify myself for "princess pussy" and wait four dates. I won't even do that for a 10. I'm the fucking catch, my man.

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I had a first date on Friday. Text her on Saturday afternoon and she responded with asking if I wanted to hang out again that night.

Things are only needy if you give off the vibe of "needy guy". If you don't have that vibe in person, she's not going to read your text as that guy unless you over text.

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Sigh.. "needy" and "neediness" are the ultimate buzzwords of the PUA world. Like "overtraining" in the world of fitness.

"Assuming she has nothing going on" is an extreme - on the other side of which is "she's too busy to even respond to a single short text." Both extremes are very unlikely for most normal people. Seriously, most normal jobs simply don't have you actively involved in something for the ~8 hours you are at the job.

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Hey Arch, I'm curious, how are these women NOT desperate if they blow up your phone first, and they can go a week without a better option coming along? Not saying they are, but you do understand how THAT sounds desperate right? And if they are HOOKED from date 1, does this not signal desperation as well? I'm just curious because you seem to be describing alot of "desperate" behavior. Whats the difference?

What I'm saying is that when you blow up a hot woman's phone, you act like every other guy. The OP (let's not forget context, here) said he was getting lukewarm responses after two dates. This indicates potential fence-sitting by the women. Any mistake could be the last, thus my comments about avoiding neediness.

As far as you and a woman being hooked on the first date, that's not desperation. That's a connection.

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