You are wrong.

If you're just reading about stuff and haven't tried it and practiced it, dont' shoot it down.

Maybe field test it before you leave yourself stuck using MM Going indirect, wasting an hour of small talk or "building attraction" before she tells you she has a boyfriend, or waiting 7 hours making comfort before finding yourself stuck in the friendzone, and wasting all that time.

I know a few people are getting laid a lot from mystery method. I personally would not only use mystery method. I do believe it holds you back from escalating. I actually use 60 years of challenge along with mystery method. I know they are opposites, but if you want to get laid it works pretty well.

60yearsofchallenge is extremely similar to gunwitch

In my opinion, MM is crap for the following:

It has too many limiting beliefs,
It holds back any form of escalation until way too late,
The only form of escalation mentioned is kino (Sexual escalation> physical)
Wasting so much time, proving to be something you cant live up to (Over DHVing leading to incongruencies and then buyers remorse if you even get her in bed)

That is why I mix both, but I believe MM gives a good understanding of social dynamics and its worth a read. The whole point of this pickup stuff is to make it work for our preference. MM is there for us to learn from and take the parts that works for us. You can't say it's crap.

In general, I reckon MM works good for making her not not want to sleep with you. But not make her want to sleep with you.

All the focus on value justifies her being attracted to you, but doesn't actually make her want to fuck you. She just now has an excuse to fuck you because your "so high value".

I think, sure if you can mix up all the decent parts of MM, with some actually sexual escalation. Then sure, your fine. Point, is Making her want you > making her not not want you.

What is the gunwitch theory I keep getting this on my thing and have no idea what it is... thanks!

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The only thing I want when I go out is to get laid.. I don't care about getting friends.. I'm a player, I hate relationships. Its a waste of time, and I hate romantic.. All I want is sex.. I don't even wanna hang out with the girls the following week unless its important to do so..

And what I hate at most when I talk to girls is that I run out of things to say, maybe because I'm not interested at all. I'm only interested in sexy girls. I have a very hot body, I wanna use it as an advantage but I don't know how.

I prefer gunwitch method more, but I don't think it will work that easy. I need to mix some other method with it before it will work. And all the clubs in my town are all loud clubs.. So being a good dancer is a good advantage..

And I need a gambit (conversation starter) I have no idea of what that could be, I'm not gonna say "i need your opinion on some random shit"

why don't you just go apocalypse open a bunch of girls, if you are as good looking as you say you are, statistically you should get a yes long before you hit 20 girls and you don't have to worry about talking really at all, you just walk up, say

you:hey, hows it going
her:blah blah blah
you:are you busy tonight?
her:blah blah blah
you:you want to come home with me?

just say it non-chalantly and hold eye contact, be absolutely serious, don't smile, don't back down, just be normal, if she says no, just say, ok, then talk about any random thing not related to sex, just change the subject try to hold the line for a good 5 minutes, and if she hasn't come onto you in 5 minutes, go appoc open another girl

But its not that easy dude. I need to talk for at least for 5 minutes before asking if she wants to come with me home.. And thats bugs me, I don't know what to say, and they can't see my hot body if I don't take off my shirt, so....

so take off ur fucking shirt... I used to legit just take my shirt off in hs and let girls punch my abs why cause I was a cocky fucking twat? even if ur not fucking ripped, which I wasnt uper body wise I still didnt get a flying fuck I took my shirt off.

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It is but you'll have to experience it once to believe it. Mystery method has it's qualities but in a loud club situation just go for the ones that eyefuck you. Keep it short and clean and say you've got some more drinks at home. If she says no look for another girl or plow through.

First sentence is a limiting belief, hell, to be serious its complete bullshit

Now lets pretend we do clubgaming here

If you are a fuckin pussy because you played indirect all the time, your balls will decresase rapidly ----> Lower selfconfidence which leads to this mindset

Now, imagine a regular guy (1)
Dressed with a t-shirt, jeans , not that well groomed, going into a club.
He´s approaching a woman he likes and tells her upfront he" likes to fuck her" - bodylanguage is set of course.
Doing this with 10 girls per night might give him 3-4 rejections when screening works.
Whole approach , opening etc might cost you 5-10 minutes.
So this guy probably already fucked a girl

Our " low selfconfidence guy" who plays indirect - might not get rejected that often, but he is forced to use " opinion openers " and stories to get into the pants of a woman. The frame he first establishes is " I have to work to get my pussy "
All this small talk BS might take him around ~ 20mins. before further escalating or even number closing.
From the first second of approaching- followed by asking about an opinion - a woman immediately thinks this guy is a pussy because he beats around the bush.

This woman might even got laid by guy 1 ( instafuck in the club ) , our low selfconfidence guy is making out with her afterwards.
Now he knows the taste of indirect - its ridicolous, and this is what happens in clubs, altough you guys do not expect it


I mean , honestly guys , when you want to buy Red Bull, do you go into a fuckin wal mart , flirting with the sellers, teasing the red bull, step back and doing some C&F and then close the deal?
NO, you are a man and get what you need - so take the Gun Witch method or even Mode One behaviour

Just my thoughts