I've got my pick up game down solid finally.

I was good at night game before, but day game is harder. I finally feel comfortable picking up women everywhere. The nice thing about night game is you can get snls. Fuck her, leave, and never have to see her again.

With day game most of the time you're not getting snls. You're usually getting a number/email/facebook. The last two I only use as a ploy to get the phone number. I almost always get a number now.

The problem is I have had conflicting advice on what to do after you get the number... and I'm new to actually doing the shit I've read. I have 9 years of PUA material floating around in my head and I don't know for sure what's good or what's not. So this has been a big problem for me now that I'm focusing more on day game.

I do not text. Even if the girl asks me to, I just say fuck it and call her, because I hate text game and I feel it takes more balls to call someone anyway. I tend to feel that a person who texts all the time and won't ever call can't be trusted because the point of texting is nobody can hear your voice and tell if you're lying.

I have listened to some audio tapes by Vin DiCarlo and Julian Foxx on text game and phone game, and I've read some stuff by David DeAngelo. Neither are very helpful. DiCarlo's stuff is usually too complex to use on the fly, and DeAnggelo's is often too simple, or just outdated.

Anyway, I am really in need of some good advice on this, so I have 4 main questions for you all:

1) Can I in this day and age afford to avoid text game? If not what should I do to improve my text game immediately? What are some lines you use? What works for you?

2) How long do you wait to call? Is this question a bull shit question because it doesn't matter when you called, just that you built up the attraction before hand?

3) Should I leave a message if she doesn't pick up? I've been told not to because it's near impossible to sound sexy in a voice message, so I usually just hang up and call back before the answering machine kicks in.

4) If I should leave a message what is the best way to go about it? Lots of people don't pick up unless they have your number in their phone or the person leaves a message. I used to be one of them.

Once I get the call I do fine. It's the pre-call stages that are fucking me up.

My usual strategy is this:

1) Call

2) Wait for her to pick up

3) Goes to voice mail

4) Hang up before voice mail and call back a couple hours later

5) Repeat

6) If this goes on for days I leave a short to the point message

7) Wait for a response

If this goes on for another day, I assume she's retarded and can only communicate in text format, so I text her

9) If she texts back I start text game which sucks balls and takes forever

10) If she calls back I start phone game and focus on logistics and closing and keeping her from flaking

11) If I sense that I fucked up in one of the stages of attraction or comfort in the pick up stage and am getting a weak compliance vibe from her I go back and focus on that again until I have her to the point she will accept the date.

12) If I have had no response from her after a week with me leaving one message and one text, I am sure she's either totally retarded and can't use a phone disqualifying her from being my type of girl (probably a tease, flake, bitch, whatever), or I admit that I seriously fucked up the pick up stage and didn't realize it, and I make a mental note to not give a fuck, move on, and learn from the experience.

I seriously fucking hate step 12. Help keep me from getting to it.

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As I never leave answerphone message's I'll just answer your first 3 questions.

1) In my opinion you can't avoid it, it's become such a natural social convention which has now also branched out into social networking sites etc that this is how some people communicate now, exclusively. I know quite a few people (male/female) that never pick up the phone, they only communicate through text because they aren't comfortable with speaking on the phone (for whatever reason)

2) As for calling as far as my phone game goes, I always build a little comfort/attraction via text before calling and will generally only call to make plans. I don't care for phoning to spend 10 minutes on the phone fluffing about bullshit, the beauty of texting is everything is slower, you can take your time to work out the best response you can give to her, some people say it's harder to convey when you're teasing/being serious etc, I don't see it as that hard, you just need the right combination of words and utilise smilies correctly.

3) I never leave a message. As I said before I only call to make plans, usually then and there, if she hasn't answered, chances are she isn't available to do something with you right at that moment. From there within a couple of hours afterwards I will almost always get a text saying "You rang?" as soon as that text comes through (or very shortly after) I will call, this is a little test because now I know she is by her phone, if she doesn't pick up now, I know something is wrong and I don't have enough attraction/comfort etc. However if they don't reinitiate, I don't call or text again for 3 days unless they reinitiate within that time, this is a mini-punishment starving them of your attention and I've never had someone not reinitiate during this time, if someone didn't however I'd simply send a ping text and start a generic text conversation again, to once again build up to a call.


Here a 3 part article about text game with examples:
http://the-red-mole.blogspot.co.uk/2008 ... art-1.html
http://the-red-mole.blogspot.co.uk/2008 ... art-2.html
http://forum.casanovacrew.com/viewtopic ... 120&t=7330

List of text messages from this site:
list-of-text-messages-game-vt21175.html?highlight=
About that one though, I've seen loads of guys on here using lines from that list to rediculous degrees, sometimes not even reading the girls response and throwing another random line at her, just keep these in context.

Hope this helps dude, I'd have gone more in-depth on my own text-game but a dude gotta work! As a mini run-down though, the first 3 are in no specific order and the whole thing is under no specific time frame either:
Fluff-text, tease, future projection (suggesting scenarios where the 2 of you would be together, that she will imagine), call to make plans, she answers - set up day 2 if she can't then get her to suggest another time she'd be available and you'll 'check your scheduale', she doesn't answer - await the 'you rang?' text and call back but no response and freeze-out for a few days then start over again.

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Here's how I run it.

If she has my number, I call her to set the date up. Usually works. If it goes to voicemail, I hang up and proceed to the following process.

If she doesn't have my number, then she isn't going to answer a call from random digits. I text her a little joke or question about when we met, and end with "-Slip" so I don't get a "who is this?" text.

I fluff for a few texts before the invite. Your goal is to keep the conversation flowing by never investing much effort in any one subject, keep it moving.
I recently deleted all my texts, so I'll have to make something up to show you what I mean.

"Hey! I think I'm still tasting coconut after all those Malibu shots last night -Slip"
[oh haha me too. Hope you had fun.]
"Well I got this cute girl's number, so thats decent."
[aww]
"Sometimes Im sweet lets go for [ice cream, coffee, whatever] tomorrow."
EDIT: So I realized a lot of readers will get numbers off short cold approaches, so they may not want to try for the date that fast. I say do it anyway, might as well find out how interested she is.
Maybe she'll say:[What? I barely know you!]
"Yeah, thats why I want to see you, I need to decide if youre worth my time!"

Here's another, where the girl is more invested.

"Hey! I think I'm still tasting coconut after all those Malibu shots last night -Slip"
[oh my god I know. my friend kept trying to have me drink vodka but i couldnt, those shots tasted so bad]
"Nah dont lie, you drink like a champ. You know what I need?"
[hahaha thanks. no what?]
"Sunshine, lets go to the park tomorrow."

Basically my point is that you get to the date straight away. Even when she tries to continue your trains of thought, just change the subject and lead toward the date.

I'm currently seeing a girl and haven't broken the phone call barrier. We barely text, but we set up dates when we do, and meet up regularly for sex. Unless I decide I want a more emotional and serious investment with this girl, I have no plans to call her (unless it's more convenient to set up the date that way).

Cool! Thanks for all the advice guys! You gave me a shitload of material to go through. Guess I better get to work on my text game. I'll let you know what happens soon. Don't wanna fuck this one up. It's not quite oneitis but this is the first HB9 I've successfully gamed during the day. I've gotten 7's and 8's but never a 9. Don't wanna fuck it up. If I do, oh well, on to the next one, but god damn I want this chick!

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~The Munky~

"What are you waiting for? You're faster than this. Don't think you are, know you are." -Morpheus, The Matrix

http://freepuavideolessons.blogspot.com/

I run my text game a bit different from the guys above. Not saying better, or worse.

When I get the number, I'll text her ASAP. Right in front of her even:
"hey goofball! Just wanted you to have my number." Then I'll grab her phone and type in some silly reference used in our conversation as my contact name. Usually, "SPAM B-]".

I'll always text for a while before calling. Hardly ever get voice mail because it's texting. I'm really not a fan of phone conversations at all. If I ever do get a voice mail I'll make a reference to a conversation we had, that she'll remember, and leave a message: