I have tried indirect, direct, situational, canned material etc

i believe situational openers are the best for Uk

it gives you an excuse to talk to her

heres a example:

Im at the bar a HB8 has one those £10 kodak camera's

so i open with something simple like "nice camera"

next thing you know she explains why she has it?! ended up # closing

Direct game doesnt really work well here it definitely depends on your appearance, mainly looks

and there is so many cockblockers here i find it quite funny

i would like to hear some opinions on uk game?

I dont have any problem, its just what i think the game here is like

Soncheese x

I hear ya on the cockblockers, I was in a club chatting to girls and I had literally guys come up and threaten to beat me up for chatting to them (they didn't really even know the girls) seems most guys here try to win girls by trying to scare away the competition.

Comrade!!! Wellcome to Russia! We drink vodka, play the accordion and the balalaika, to hunt for bears! It's cold, we just really, a lot of snow has fallen! Real men in Russia be friends with a glass and accordion. Walks with a bottle of vodka in his pocket for the transitions and the subway. Play the accordion, and pretend to be crippled asking for money for a bottle. Humpback, fat-, smelly, bald and bearded - that's is Real Men. The main object of pride with this guy is a smelly bag in the front, so that all men admire and are proud of. This is how!

I can seriously relate to cockblockers,

ive made it another objective to learn how to handle them,

i had one the other night:

He comes up to me all alpha male, absolutely massive guy he was.
He says "thats my girlfriend you're talking too" - i laugh and say "yea alright mate, nice girl you got" ( i basically shat my pants, handled it badly) - the girl laughs and thats the end of that sarge..

later the same guy comes up to me and laughs saying he wasnt her bf, and was just pulling my leg. We have a little laugh and go our own ways.

Since then ive endeavoured to learn how to handle the AMOGS, thats the last time ill be humiliated! haha

- i also agree with situational openers. I prefer to find something NOT obvious, and ask a genuinely interested question like: nice tatoo, what parlour you got that from?
Or nice top, my sister is looking for something just like it..
your camera is the perfect example.

haven't had much experience on direct openers, ill let you know more when i get too it

However Opinion and situational haven't failed me yet!

Regards,

Boyo

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Its like they literally threaten you

and they come with their buddies 1-2 just to back him up incase anything happens

and ive heard stuff like

"why you talking to her" "get away from her shes with me" etc

their not even alpha males their just guys who are looking for a fight

Yea true, how are you meant to handle them? You can tell them to piss of, or theyll kick your ass. If you back down, you lose the girl.

If you try style method of being nice and laugh about it, that doesnt work because they tell you to piss off.

Maybe you just accept you wont win this one?

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Im not sure what the best method is to handle them

but one thing i know is not to be affected by them i.e just be calm

i usually just ask the girl "do you know him"?

But dont make a scene out of it, it wont get you anywhere.

if he is too threatening then just leave i guess and move on to the next.

Soncheese x

here are some ideas on dealing with cockblockers,

ok so first off, go to the gym, the bigger you are, the less this happens to you, the more it looks like it would be a bad idea to fuck with you, the less people will think it is a good idea to fuck with you, pretty much common sense, that and you can start going out with wingmen if you find you prefer the nightlife and it is not safe where you are going out

secondly alot of guys that start reading pickup material just start to get insecure after getting into the whole ''amog'' side of things that revolves around the mystery method and just start assuming every guy is out to get them, seriously it is better to make friends then enemies, and assuming every guy stepping up to a set is a cockblock or trying to knock you down or what ever is fairly insecure thinking, but certainly some guys do step up with purely malicious intent and want nothing but to make you look bad (lower your social status, or ''social value''), but sometimes when you are starting out some guys might actually have concern cause your game sucks shit and you are making women uncomfortable, so be aware of this if you are just starting out and you idea of frame control is simply, every one does what I say or I insult them ALPHA ALPHA ALPHA

anyways, one of the most important thing to remember with anyone trying to lower your social value in any shape or form, is simply not to react to them, don't buy into their frames, and don't emotionally tune in to what they are even saying, this can take alot of practise because standing beside some 250 lb monster who looks like he shoots test boosters with every meal can be somewhat intimidating and you can start reacting not by choice simply because your body reckognizes the possibility of impending doom

so that aside, do your best to just keep your cool, clear your mind, focus on your breathing and try not to think so hard, focus on just generating a state of hapiness while remaining as calm as possible

from an outer point of view, you have several viable options

if you have a guy that is being intrusive, one of the first things you want to find out, is his logistics, make very sure you are pro-active in leading the situation to find out these logistics, don't buy into any guys frame at all ever until you have these established, it is paramount because you can use the very girl they are trying to block you from to blow them out before they even get started, if it just so happens that these guys have no malicious intent and the girl is just actually uncomfortable, she will try to blow you out instead and you will be seeing no compliance from her on your end, but she will be trying to code with the cockblocks and give them compliance, so it is really important you establish the logistics of the set through the target

how do you establish them?, if the guy is approaching in a negative or intrusive manner, it would be foolish to just straight ask him, because that gives him an oportunity to ignore you, first look to the girl and get her to help you with the cock block

''do you know this guy?'' or ''do you know these guys?''

immediately if she says no, there is your out, just turn your back on them, and keep talking to the girl, just ignore them and spout of random bullshit leading the girl to talk, alot of why questions and how questions completely out of no where, touch on her answers and bring value without addressing the cock block at all, as if he doesn't even exist, make sure from the beginning they can clearly hear you address the logistics, if they persist, just code the girl with body language that these guys are irritating, start setting up social constraints and continue to just dismiss their frames, the more they persist, the more it will lower their value, they want your attention while you are breaking rapport on them, eventually any ploy to ''white knight'' you just looks like a selfish effort to socially violate your conversation and makes them look socially retarded, they can start a fight, but as long as you are not being rude to them, but just ignoring them as if you are not interested in what they have to say without being agressive, they have no grounds to do so, and as the call you out, just keep placing more social constraints against them, and if it turns to them being aggressive towards you and making threats, immidiately involve the bouncers and take the girl with you (frame it as you are concerned for her safety)

cb:''hey, I(we), asked you a question!, answer it!, what are you saying to this girl?''

you: ''hey, we're talking right now, don't be so rude'' (continue coding the girl like this guy is out of line, shut him out with bodylanguage, lock the girl in physically if possible)

or

you: ''hey, come talk to us later, we are busy right now, it's the polite thing to do''

there are alot of different constraints you could put on a guy, the majority of guys who really had no rhyme or reason to cockblocking with no confidence will just start to feel awkward and as you keep ignoring them eventually they will just go away when no one gives them attention

also when setting up contraints, it is useful to use the girl against them, frame it as it is you and her that want them to leave and they are intruding, instead of it is, you vs them, and you are fighting to talk to the girl, make sure the frame is as if you and the girl are already in rapport and they are violating and being rude

now, lets say that the cock block has rapport with your target, ignoring and tooling her friend is a bitch move, even if the guy is a doucher, same sort of principles apply without trying to blow the guy out of the set, instead, your goal should be to lead, lead, lead, lead, remain polite and set out constraints so that when the guy is rude he lowers his own value, just don't react and he will continue to do so, don't give this guy too much of a chance to run his mouth, if he is being negative and you don't think you could befriend him (which you should be trying to do if she has rapport with him unless you don't plan on staying long) and he is just going to be a liability, just make him feel bored until he doesn't even want to be there, and when he is being rude you just call him out in a completely calm and efficent manner without even being rude, you can simply ask ''Why would you say something like that to me for no reason?'' if he responds, then by default he buys into your frame and from that point you can frame his actions in any way you want (''well that was rude'' ''wow what's wrong with your friend?'' *look at girl*, ''well, you just made things awkward'') and either lower his value, or react to him and lower your own, the guy who is more confident in himself will obviously be able to hold the frame and lead with more ease, and just like with a guy with no rapport if he is being really difficult, use the girl, communicate through her so that if he is rude to you, he is also rude to her, and when met with the threat of violence, it is always better to just walk away and let the bouncers know, that's what they are there for, and some random girl that you have known for less then 20 minutes is not worth getting in a fight over

also, if you came to a bar with wingmen, they should be looking out for this shit, and handling inturupts to your sets, you go in alone while your wing watches, as soon as he sees and obsticle, he comes in and solves the problem, you introduce him to your obsitcles so he is formally introduced to the group, then he can get to work, it's his job to handle bitchy friends and cock blocks, that is what he is there for, take turns running sets, don't go in tandum, sit back to handle inturupts and giving your buddy attention when it looks like the group is being led by someone else

GOOD LUCK

Sup me lads..

Is UK girls more conservative than lets say, Eastern European- and- American girls? I don't really know. Because I've encountered quite a few open-minded, less-conservative, (down-right-slutty) UK, Eastern European, American girls. I find Asian girls harder to game. I like both indirect and direct game, but for me the key to "natural game" is to master the ability to know when to use, indirect or direct game.
Like for example: you're in a club, the bartender yells "Last call" the club is bout to close. You spot a girls standing by the counter, all alone, tipsy. what would be My approach here? Balls out Direct!! with the smoothest James Bond accent you can master. I don't see any reason to open her talking bout tomorrows weather forecast or whatever. Thats gona get me nowhere, my job is find out if shes DTF, that's all.

Heres another Example: You're walking on campus, you spot a HB on a bench reading a book. What would be My approach here? Indirect, then transition to a statement of intent as soon as build enough comfort.

As for Cockblocks, and AMOGs. The best way (method) I've found is to befriend the suckers, and talking to them like I've known 'em for years. This is also showing great social proof to the girl you're trying to game. She'd think "wow, this guy isn't a creep. He's pretty social and cool.. Def see me hanging out him" and you haven't even started gaming her yet.

I've recently encountered a few lads trying to cockblock me, and ended up spending the following night at one of the cockblock's place, with the same girl he tried cockblocking me from.

I approached this two set (two girls) sitting down.
Me : "and Who are you? *pointing to target* you first!"
they laugh and introduce themselves, and demand me doing the same. Then this 3 dudes come up to our table,
AMOG#1 : "Hey buddy these young ones are spoken for!" With this older brother tone. I had to keep cool and not freak out, i was even thinking of exiting the set, then i turned to the two chicks and go :
Me : "Who them? dont worry they havent hit'd on me once! anyway do you like have a light bro."
Next thing you know me and this kid shares a ciggy. I end up drinking with them the whole night and scored an invite to their BBQ the following night.

So the best way to handle AMOGs, cockblocks and even Frat Brothers, is to befriend them not out alpha them, befriend 'em.

P.S with the Olympics starting tonight, you London blokes, will literally be swimming in HBs from the world over.

D.P

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I like to be direct and situational cause its fun for me and its what am most comfortable with it. But your right girls here ar'nt very outgoing but I like the Challenge am from scotland and theres alot of stuck up daddys girls. As soon as I started hitting the gym and wearing proper smart clothes I started getting approached myself and in clubs it took as little as eye contact, so Looks play a bigger factor here.
How do you approach foreign chicks here?

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