Hy guys. Il begin with 2 things about me.

1) I open pretty decent (70% rate in the pubs , 20-30% day-game) I guess that's ok for a noobie
2) I DHV terrific (i even got people that heard the talk and opened us)

But the transition really sucks . The time-stamp of the DHV is about 3-4 minutes into the set (in my opinion that's optimal indeed) but what the fuck to milk the opener 3 minutes long? that's lame by me.

Per say:

(opener start)
"hey floss/brush" (i don't really like this one but whatever)
blah blah blah
(opener end) // 30 sec tops and the opener is dead you have to change subject

?? what goes here.

(start dhv) // if DHV be4 2 minute mark (i'v tested that) you get the WTF look , or the dancing monkey attitude towards you

"Are you best friends" - > best friends routine
"Interesting hand" -> Greek-god finger
etc etc
(end dhv)

(go kino)
....

The idea is , how do you transition from one to another. An example would be very nice.

Peace and love

There are a few things.... So you open the girls with whatever line... Who lies more or something.

If they don't hook right away then stack to another opening routine.

If they hook then I immediately go into. "How does everyone know each other?" that way you can figure out the relationships and logistics of the set. And I usually ask questions about if they are out for a special occassion.

Then go into your DHV stories....

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Absolutely , but there is a but. Im a fast talker , (not very but faster than average) and by default all the ppl talk to me back fast.
(It's calibrated smooth by the way so dont tell me to talk slower )


So i'm done with the opener and the things associated with it too fast and the group is not ready to accommodate me that fast and i'm perceived as an intruder.

Same exact problem, I feel like there needs to be a transition thing between the two, I can just talk but thats weird... why is this random bloke talking about nothing? Then DHV ??? Also how many openers can you say, isnt it a bit strange, is this guy a survey tester?


For OP add FTC (Time Constraints) I know it helps with them wanting you more then after that you DHV but sometimes they don't care if you gotta go, so I guess move on?

Any help would be good haha!

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-Raphael

Aspiring Artist

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Guys, I'll let you in on a little secret. It doesn't matter what opener you use or anything else typically your actions have already told them you are interested in them cause you are talking to them. Regardless of if you are talking about jealous boyfriends, their brushing habits, or anything else your non-verbal action of moving to them tells them why you are there...it's not really a secret regardless of how you disqualify yourselves.

There can be anything you want in between the two if want to stack in a routine or whatever. To be honest this is a big reason why I started going direct with women for the most part.

The other thing is guys you gotta stop looking at yourself like a fucking bother to these women. You're not an intruder either. Pay them the compliment of your time and walking over to meet them. They should be so lucky as to talk to you. You are doing them a favor by approaching them as they know they are looking good that night.

Just keep getting out there and try to make it work. It's not as hard as you may think. Start asking questions and getting damn good at asking questions. Cause when you ask questions you are controlling the interaction. Things start to slide ask a question... not sure what else to do ask a question. Doesnt' matter if its about what they are drinking or if they should break up over text message. Just use it to give you more material to use and then BUILD off of their answers.

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