Why is there so much bashing of this method? His model, A1 - S3 is gold! Yes he has some flaws, like the 6 hour theory to fuck a chick... but overall it's solid. From his DHV routines, story telling, C&F (That emotionally activates the girl), etc... fucking great!

I don't get it. Why do so many people bash this method? Even I got caught up for a moment and was like, "Yeah, fuck MM. 60YOC"... But then after awhile of trying 60, and having very little success with women, I think 60 is whack. This guys perception of value is... imaginary? I dunno, but it's whack lol. I do think that 60YOC works great with your g/f. (I guess b/c you are already valued as a high person in her eyes) For example, she's trying to start drama, then you can dead pan her and try to fuck her... (Even though if your g/f is really starting drama, with good reasoning, communication is best)

So yeah, tell me why you guys hate MM. I hear people say, "Forget MM. It's outdated and there are plenty of faster ways to seduce a women." I think MM works great, especially on HB8's and up. I was bagging women with MM... then all of a sudden I thought I was the shit using 60YOC, but women weren't responding to me... I just thought, "Hey, shit test!"... and they probably thought I was a fucking creep!

EDIT: And I know some people say they don't like MM b/c it assumes your value is lower than the girls. In my opinion, that's a good thing. You want to assume the worst, so the outcome is the best. Obviously, don't believe your value is lower than hers, cuz then you have inner game issues...

Like Tito Ortiz said in a UFC fight against Shamrock, "Prepare for the worst, and the outcome will be the best".... or something like that lol

I think people dislike it cause its become so mainstream. Especially in the major city club scenes. You'll see people doing that stuff all over.

And that it is sooo scripted. everything follows the rules.

I use elements of MM and it's good theory to know, but i can't use the scripted patterns

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Why the fuck is there so much bashing of 60yoc method? His model, Open, cause sexual tension, have fun and close is gold! Yes he has some flaws, like the sometimes being too quiet to fuck a chick... but overall it's solid. From his congruent openers, sexual tension techniques, real connection (That emotionally activates the girl), etc... fucking great!

Even I got caught up for a moment and was like "Fuck 60, Go MM" (Not really) But then after awhile of trying MM, and having very little success with women, I think MM is whack. This guys perception of value is... unnecessary? I dunno, but it's whack lol. I do think that MM works great with your g/f. (I guess b/c you are already seen as a weird person in her eyes) For example, she's trying to start drama, then you can neg her and try to fuck her... (Even though if your g/f is really starting drama, with good reasoning, dead panning her is best)

So yeah, tell me why you guys hate 60yoc. I hear people say, "Forget 60. It's too new and there are plenty of slower ways to seduce a women." I think 60yoc works great, especially on HB8's and up. I was bagging women with 60yoc... then all of a sudden I thought I was the shit using MM, but women weren't responding to me... I just thought, "Hey,I'll wear a BIG FUZZY HAT"... and they probably thought I was a fucking creep!

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I agree that a lot of it has gone mainstream... but the concepts are great. Make your own routines to fit the concepts, one that fit your personality.

However, if you're just trying to bust, then fuck it! Do w/e perfectly scripted material you know of that will higher your chances of busting.

dude, i think the MM is fucking soild, from A1-S3 is gold, its a well planned game. i dun get y people hate it either.....well, u can say its the mainstream, but fuck that, who cares??it works best for me, i use it all the time.....

Because a pickup doesn't go from A1-S3, it depends on the girl, sometimes they already like you for no reason whatsoever... then it wouldn't be necessary to DHV/neg, or whatever the fuck...

Also MM is about showing SOCIAL value/status to a girl and making her like you for those reasons. It comes from a mindset of her being higher value than you, and the only way for you to be in "her league" is you having to do or say certain things so that she'll like you. The thought that she could just like you for you will never come up.

60 is about being seductive, and making her like you solely on your presence. Doesn't matter if you're jobless, have no social proof, or didn't help your stripper ex-girlfriend from a gang of angry monkeys.

Also important to note is that being social doesn't get you laid, but being seductive does.
Jason Savage did an awesome talk on the 21 Convention, after watching this you'll realize why MM is obsolete.

http://www.the21convention.com/2011/03/ ... t21c-2010/

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I have news for you.

The only people that attack MM and other methods don't really understand what the fuck they are talking about.

Mystery is a method that was being used by loads of guys before he found the words to describe a specific way of picking up women and re-inventing medalion man.

Mystery.

Hence his name and style.

He has invented nothing completely new, but a way of describing old fashioned medalion man with a modern twist.
Using loads of self help books and cheap magicians tricks with a spoon full of confidence and years of research he found and made a new version of medalion man for this decade. (with a furry hat and black fingernails)

People who attack him are fools.
But due to over exposure of himself on t.v. etc it is not surprising that thousands of young people are running around trying to copy him, hoping for success that will be temporary at best.

I think he has done a lot for young people all around the world and deserves a little bit of respect.
He has earned that at least.

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The Mystery Method gives you too many limiting beliefs and barriers

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Mystery is a genius. He has cracked the code to life and attraction right? WRONG.

Charles Darwin is the guy who came up with the theories of sexual selection, mystery incoproated this into his own style of game - which is no doubt effective. However something as precise as the mystery method may not necessarily be tailored to the majority of learners. fitting the mystery method to every afc is like trying to fit a screw in every bolt - everyone is of a different caliber and capability.

I used to LOVE the mystery method, and I still do to an extent. However I realised that I love the DHV concepts rather than the structure of game (M3). The value aspect of Mystery's style of pickup may be used in all forms of game, and for that reason you gotta love it.

However, Mystery does always suggest that you are at all times of lower value than the girl. this is a barrier to unlock your mind man.

additionally, the mystery method is inconsistent. and with inconsistencies MUST come flaws. For example the whole approach is massively flawed in the sense that it says you must be valuable. yet one of the LEAST valuable things you can be is try-hard. to appropriately adopt that method, it is IMPOSSIBLE not to try hard due to its required precision. This is the whole concept of uncool, someone who tries hard. let's see how that ups your social status. Also these inconsistencies make sooooooo many fucking sticking points, because you actually have to try to tailoir yourself to his game plan, which revolves around outergame too much rather than inner game. Which brings me to my next point.

As long as you attempt to establish inner game through your outergame (ie - gaining confidence by a high success rate in canned material), your confidence is totally based on something which isn't you. It's not natural to you and thus never as effective as something that is.

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just do what works for you.

I've done MM. I didn't like it. Its not fun to do. I'm doing RSD now, and I like it a lot more. It feels more natural, I don't have to lie, I don't have to say bunch of the same routines every single time. Its boring. Natural game makes me happier. And it works. period.

Another reason that I don't like MM is because it keeps you in your head a lot of the time. You have to think about next DHV story, count IOIs etc. How can you possibly enjoy saying the same thing 1000 times. It's like introducing yourself for 7 hours-just boring. When I go to a club(happens rarely, I'm a daygame person) I go to have fun.

MM same as any other method has some concepts to be incorporated in your game, but I'd hardly suggest it as something to base your game on.

@Coldman, good points.

P.S. Everything you can find in MM is described with more details and with more examples in Magic bullets. If you want to go scripted-that's your choice, but I'd suggest reading magic bullets.

P.P.S. no method is flawless. You just have to take whats useful and reject whats useless.

Clearly you've only read his texts, fag. You YouTube Mystery, and watch a lot of his vids, you will know he says 6 hours in the YouTube vids... On text it's different.

Clearly, if you watched MM and didn't just read him, you wouldn't mis-understand the greatest pua of all time.

MM is very effective with the 10's though. I would say it's not geared towards the 7-9's so much.

people hate MM because its very mainstream now. milllions of people hate greenday, nickelback, lady gaga etc, but they still sell out every show. only the haters are the ones that get heard. tonnes of ppl love MM, you just hear all the haters.

personally i think Mystery is a genius, i dont use his it much anymore but his theories as too how attraction work are amazing. i dont care if darwin first explained attraction, darwin didnt explain it in a way that helped me get pussy. the dynamics of MM (and particularly his model) are very correct.

whether MM is the most efficient method for getting SEX is not the question. infact its not the most efficient way. HOWEVER every other technique will follow the m3 model whether you realize it or not. 60's idea of not killing sexual tension shows that you have value, by not responding to shit tests it implies that you have more value than her. anyway you look at it, all pickup will have parts from that M3 model in it, its just not linear like mystery explains it to be. often times you will even skip certain parts.

in almost every example of pickup there WILL be some type of opener, DHV, qualification, comfort, seduction. whether they are scripted or even noticeable by either party of the PU is irrelevant.