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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:05 pm 
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Seemingly small changes in your character, can have a huge impact on your persona and peoples reactions, receptiveness and feelings towards you - before you even start any of this complicated game tactics/ideas.

This generally means you have to do very little in terms of 'gaming', as frequently, I have found, that girls will be way more comfortable and touchy/feely and rapport seeking etc without you having to do any routines/methods of gaming to get them to that stage. They'll just naturally fall into that way of being with you much quicker and easier.


I want to write a few very brief statements and views on things that I feel are beneficial and very small changes to your character, that go a long way in having a massive effect on your relations with people.

Two things I want to say, this *may* not be so important to you if you don't care about 'charisma' and having this 'something' that draws people to you. I also really hope I can deliver this in a way that doesn't make you think so much about what/how to do it, as you'll likely already have a lot of game stuff clouding your mind, and even if you don't, I'd hate for this to lead to you 'thinking' so much and getting stuck in your head.


(the following is in no specific order)


Listening

How are you listening to people? Are you talking with people whilst thinking about what to say next? Are you paying attention to what the other person is saying? Are you making them feel listened to? Do you appear genuinely interested in what they're talking about? If not, what effect do you think this has on the other person? How would you feel if someone wasn't doing these things?

Heres a few quotes about listening to people...
  • "Exclusive attetion to the person who is speaking to you is very important. Nothing else is so flattering as that." ~ Former Harvard president Charles W. Elliot

    "The chronic kicker, even the most violent critic, will frequently soften and be subdued in the presence of a patient, sympathetic listener." ~ Dale Carnegie

    Many people fail to make a favourable impression because they don't listen attentively. "They have been so much concerned with what they are going to say next that they do not keep their ears open... Very important people have told me that they prefer good listeners to good talkers, but the ability to listen seems rarer than almost any other good trait." ~ Isaac F. Morcosson (Journalist)

    Seductive listening: "You are way better looking when you are listening vs. when you are talking. Shut up." ~ 60 Years of Challenge
Do you often talk about yourself when you're conversing with others? Do you talk about everything that you do, all the good things you do, all the things you find fun? Why...? Because it interests you, right? It doesn't likely interest others, people are much more interested in talking about themselfs and what interests them (hence why you like talking about yourself). You may walk away from a conversation after having spoke about yourself for ages, and everything good in your life, feeling happy and that it was a great conversation, others may not be feeling the same as you. If you get them talking about themselfs, perhaps it would be safe to say they walk away feeling happy about the conversation.



Non-judgementalness

This could be good for you guys who go out harshly judging girls against these strict set of 'requirements' you have. People don't like people people who make them have to prove or explain themselfs. Judging people will make them consiously unhappy in your presence. It causes people to be uncomfortable and self consious. When people feel free to be themselfs and not be judged on who they are, they will be much more comfortable and natural around you, and will enjoy being in your presence.



Teasing

Many people interpret 'teasing' as saying something horrible to the other person, or just making fun of them. I don't like to view it this way. I believe its good to joke about and play on the differences you share, for example if someone smokes, and you don't, teasing at this oppurtunity, making jokes about them, and yourself (must be able to laugh at yourself and let others laugh at you too) this shows that the differences you share are nothing to be feared or cautious of, again, making people much more comfortable in your presence. Teasing can be a very tricky thing to do very extreme and well, and isn't necessary in making people like you, infact, done wrong, can be non beneficial. That being said, it's always important to be comfortable with and able to laugh at yourself. Also make ridiculous (mis)assumptions about them. For example, if a chick is wearing all black, comment on it and make up some shit about her being a ninja. Whatever.



Positivity

No one likes an emo. :P You don't need to force positivity unto them, you don't need to tell them how to think differently about things, you don't need to try and turn any negative emotion of theres positive. all you have to do is focus on the positive yourself, and they wil be forced to follow suit, unless they are mega emo, even that being the case, I haven't met someone who's mood hasnt been turned round quickly from me just focussing on positive things whilst talking to them. Also, don't ever moan about how your lifes going. If you have to say somethnig potentially negative, such as being tired, you can always say it in a way it's coming from a positive place or steering the conversation in a positive direction. Besides, no one wants to hear about your problems, they have problems of their own way more important to them than your own.



Get them to talk

Probably the thing people struggle most with, either because they don't know how to do it, or because they're too busy talking about themself. The Ironic thing about getting people to do the talking, is you're going to have to put in the effort to get them to talk. You have to ask yourself what you can do or say to get that person interested in talking. Theres a lot of ways you can do this. The best way is to get them to talk about themself. People like to talk/think about themself, it's generally the most important thing to them. Theres loads of things you can do to encourage this, the best way I can suggest, as a rule, is to be focussed on them, if you're thinking about them, then your verbals will usually follow suit. Just be cautious not to start asking too many typical questions such as what you doing/where you going/where you live blah blah... the crazy thing is though, theres nothing wrong with saying these questions, you just have to say them a little more relevantly, and as if they've just spiked your curiosity in that moment. -If it looks like you're just randomly asking about them, it doesn't work so well. If it looks like they've somehow just made you curious about them, it can be cool. It's good to make assumptions about what you think they're doing (true or false) or who they are, as they will often try to correct you/agree etc etc, then you can bounce a question or statement off of that.



I shall leave it at that for now, as I drifted slightly more to talking tactics, however, these are things that will change the general vibe of your character. Your vibe, not your identity, so don't worry about losing 'who you are', you'll only lose the shit things such as 'boring/negative' etc etc.



Go be cool 8)



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Some people are too woried about being "Alpha" that they forget simple things like that. Things that make you someone fun to be around.
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making jokes about them, and yourself (must be able to laugh at yourself and let others laugh at you too)
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People don't like people people who make them have to prove or explain themselfs

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Some people are too woried about being "Alpha" that they forget simple things like that. Things that make you someone fun to be around.
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making jokes about them, and yourself (must be able to laugh at yourself and let others laugh at you too)
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People don't like people people who make them have to prove or explain themselfs
Couldn't agree more, my friend.


You can be the 'AMOG' by having a gentle dominance, and being genuine and nice to everyone in a set, and giving everyone high respect. It all depends where your mindset is coming from... Too many guys think they have to insult dudes and be harsh, and have to make chicks live up to their strict rules and regulations and meet their special requirements. These chicks don't know you, they don't give a fuck about your requirements. Loosen the fuck up, and enjoy people. How do you expect people to enjoy you when you're not enjoying them.


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Munroe: "I kinoed the hell out of that goat"
Jav: "bashing chodes 24/7 ftw"
Slywalker: "Neg the bagel"
Slywalker: "I had a 1yr old GF when I was 19"
SS_Trunks:I asked her for an extra pen, confidently....


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I will definitely agree that having a positive attitude will always draw people to you. The ability to not get down about certain turns in a situation and being able to handle it with a positive attitude and fun energy.

Also, the other one I agree with whole heartedly is the idea of being judgmental. I don't think many people understand how easy it is to place judgmental statements into basic conversation and how off putting it can be to the women who constantly look for it. A hot girl who was constantly judged by her family and you are there doing the same thing? Instant turn off and you might not even understand what triggered it.


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This is all really good advice for building good character and just being a good person. It's hard to start off in this game with so many conflicting views out there but I think that if you delve deep into yourself, the answers are all inside.

Charisma is a big part of it, but not everything has to be about game. I like this post because its just about being a real, good person and developing yourself into someone that other's want to be around. Isn't that what pick up really is about in a lot of ways? Developing a solid social life?

If you combine this with untwisting the fantasy view of romance I think it is a pretty unstoppable combination at least for being a good, well liked person. This can help in your career, your family life, networking, friendships and relationships. It will also make you stand out and become more rare because so few are capable of constant change and self-development.

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This is all really good advice for building good character and just being a good person. It's hard to start off in this game with so many conflicting views out there but I think that if you delve deep into yourself, the answers are all inside.

Charisma is a big part of it, but not everything has to be about game. I like this post because its just about being a real, good person and developing yourself into someone that other's want to be around. Isn't that what pick up really is about in a lot of ways? Developing a solid social life?

If you combine this with untwisting the fantasy view of romance I think it is a pretty unstoppable combination at least for being a good, well liked person. This can help in your career, your family life, networking, friendships and relationships. It will also make you stand out and become more rare because so few are capable of constant change and self-development.
Since I started implimenting these changes properly into my life (I'm still making more, and the others have grown in, some are still growing), people who wern't originally in touch with me much, are frequently in touch, wanting to meet up, hang out, or just chat, whatever. Same goes for all the girls and people I meet. This is a really powerful tool in life, not just 'game'.

Pick up teaches you how to pick up and have sex with a girl. All you're left with is numbers. Statistics.

Charisma game is truly empowering, it teaches you how to be the person that everyone loves. It only goes to build your feeling of worth, and reinforce all the positive in your life. It's really easy to 'game' when you choose this route. People will fall into your world, and love you.



Thanks for the responses guys, your input's appreciated.



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Hey, I really like this idea and will try it. But I have a question. Listening and talking not about myself is really very good. But when to stop when I'm talking and the (usually) girl just doesn't close her mouth and is like "WOW!" every minute or is interested and looks like she doesn't breath? This moments happen sometimes and then I don't know when and how to stop...


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Hey, I really like this idea and will try it. But I have a question. Listening and talking not about myself is really very good. But when to stop when I'm talking and the (usually) girl just doesn't close her mouth and is like "WOW!" every minute or is interested and looks like she doesn't breath? This moments happen sometimes and then I don't know when and how to stop...
Just follow-up with:

" Enough about me, I would really like to know more about that *insert something she said she liked* that you mentioned earlier" or "... , I would really like to know more about you. *Ask question to which you are geneuinely interested in*".

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Hey, I really like this idea and will try it. But I have a question. Listening and talking not about myself is really very good. But when to stop when I'm talking and the (usually) girl just doesn't close her mouth and is like "WOW!" every minute or is interested and looks like she doesn't breath? This moments happen sometimes and then I don't know when and how to stop...
Just follow-up with:

" Enough about me, I would really like to know more about that *insert something she said she liked* that you mentioned earlier" or "... , I would really like to know more about you. *Ask question to which you are geneuinely interested in*".
Hey milan81, I'm not entirely sure what you were asking, but I'll expand on TheJ's response anyway...



I personally don't really like following up with 'enough about me...etc...' as it then becomes too much of an obvious change. Not sure if thats necessarily bad, but it's not to my liking, I prefer to be more subtle and unnoticed. You'd be surprised at how easy it is to change someone round to talking about themself when they were asking with heavy interest about you. I do it all the time, and am still amazed at how willing people are to start speaking about themself.


TheJ says *Ask question to which you are geneuinely interested in*, and I would add, that it's better to ask something about what SHE is interested in, and YOU sound/be genuinely interested in it.

I can give a brief example...

This happened when I was out with PUATraining guys;
There was a hotttttt as hell eastern european woman sitting outside a coffee shop, was a nice day (for once), was what I would call 'way too high value' for me, she was clearly a fair bit older than me, and was seriously hot, so anyway, to challenge/shatter my beliefs I went over and opened... this is roughly how it went...


Finesse: *smiles*
Finesse: *curious face with the smile* Hey, do you know what's going on over on trafalger square?
HBeuro: No, I don't
Finesse: Yeah I know, theres so many people about though... ---continued even though she didn't seem overly interested
HBeuro: I think it might be a match
*little bit of fluff and laughing to spike her emotions...* ---this builds a lot of rapport

Heres the important bit, and where things turned around...

Finesse: ...I don't mean to be intrusive, but I'm really curious... *slight point of finger towards her*
HBeuro: *pauses / curious....*
Finesse: I noticed you scribbling away there, and can't help but wonder what it is you're writing.... ---taking a genuine interest in something she's doing. And it will be something that she clearly holds some interest in.
HBeuro: *Explains what she's writing is some sort of review for work*
Finesse: *Vacuum eyes*
HBeuro: *keeps talking to fill the silence/seek rapport/feels expected to* ---this is a good way to build/break rapport and make them invest in the interaction
Finesse: (something like...) Oh 'cause I saw you here sitting so serene and tranquil, couldn't imagine you was doing work...
HBeuro: *Starts talking seeking rapport/commenting etc, explaining, etc* ---she now values the conversation and is putting effort into maintaining it
Finesse: Yeah, I thought you looked to happy to be doing work, I imagined you were writing some kind of poetry, or a song...
HBeuro: Ahhh no, I wish I was, that would be a lot more fun right now...
Finesse: ...
HBeuro: ... So what is it that you do? ---investing more, values conversation, seeking more rapport.
Finesse: *explains what I do* Thats why I was so curious about what you were writing, I thought you may have been a singer or something... ---notice how I didn't ignore her question, I acknowledged it, answered it briefly, and smoothly redirected it back to her. This is very subtle and works wonders, and a clever way to not fall into the trap of trying to impress her. Very good to redirect the focus to them.
HBeuro: nooo I wish I was...
Finesse: ah you could be, you have that celebrity look, and looking very sophisticated, is a very sexy look... ---making bold statements about her, adding sexual ness, breaks rapport slightly too
HBeuro: *Blushing, smiling all that sort of crap, just generally loving it up... starts fluffing more asking questions, flattering me blah blah*

I hope you can get an idea from this about how to progress conversations whilst using the principles I tried to outline. They've served me epicly well.

(p.s. tried to keep the dialogue short as possible to only keep in the relevant parts that help show what was going on)


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Good post who some people can take note of.

I agree that a lot of things off this would make someone more "alpha", for me being "Alpha" is being confident, initiative and respectfull in my own ways with making things happen.


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I really dig this post. It reminds me of the night I went out mere hours after discovering the Don Juan Bible. I did nothing in PUA terms. No routines, No lines, nothing. All I did was be sure to smile and stand up straight and confident. It was a real eye opener to me how receptive people around me were. I knew I was on to something.


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