Quick intro: Before I got into the game I would see guys getting numbers and be like wow that guy is so cool. Now I can get numbers on a consistent basis but lack technique to follow them up.
I almost without fail get a number a night but that is all they are 11 digits and a name. Which is not great and after being on the receiving end of not being called is unfair on the girls. So form now on my phone stays at home.
So, this is a couple of questions really. How do I go about instant dates without sounding like a weirdo/rapist? Does anyone else think the same (I'm especially interested in a fPUA POV)? and what are your opinions on giving your number instead of taking theirs?

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I agree with you 100% about the numbers thing... it only means she was interested at that moment. The best thing to do I believe is don't call her, but like two days later send her a pretty awesome text! Mehow worked wonders with this in his Get The Girl Manual.

A good one would be "I bet my weekend could beat up your weekend?"

Shit that's witty and makes her want to hang. Text game is the best game in my opinion. Women love falling into interesting story plots.

Taking a number is a consolation prize during night game really, I generally don't call any of the numbers back unless i know ive built a lot of attraction and comfort and have already kissed her.

Though I know a lot of people that successfully get numbers without really building any comfort and minimal attraction and are still successful. It doesnt hurt trying really...

For this exact reason, I do not consider getting a girl's number, any kind of close. The only close is when you finish what you started by approaching her and getting the job done. If getting her number is so easy, I agree with you possibly leaving your phone at home to build on your time bridges and other techniques. Something I'd recommend is not trying so much to get her number, but trying to build comfort by maybe taking her to a nearby venue you have preselected. Ask her if she'd like to join you and your friends at a diner, etc. If you do happen to get her number, do not immediately leave as most others do, instead try to continue building comfort and try setting up a scenerio which she'd be likely to join you.

I'd say it means if you build enough confort and atraction before getting it, give the fucking call and settle something to do quick(2 weeks max, in my head) otherwize it's just wasted bits in your cellphone

I think the last bit LL says here is a BIG thing. The # close shouldn't be considered the goal or the end of that initial meeting. I think it's more important to build an attraction and make sure that you've left something that will make sure she will remember you, regardless of what point the # close happens. Looking back, the most times I've run into flakes or just not gotten a call-back, it's been because I closed on the number and quickly took off right after. After, I realized that I did little for the girl to actually remember me or care that I was calling. Think of it like a first job interview: there are likely to be a number of others that have the same interview as you did, and if you didn't really do anything to stand out in their memory, it's not likely that you're going to be getting to the next stage...

Jaybot, to answer your questions from the original post, I don't think it's completely necessary to get an insta-date, if you're able to develop a good connection right there and then. Obviously, pulling the insta-date is a good thing, because it's MUCH easier to build that rapport. The best way to get that going is to justify going somewhere more private based on some kind of rapport you built up during the conversation. If you were talking about food, say that all that talk has made you hungry and you should bounce for a quick bite around the corner and come right back. I have a tendency to get pretty deep in conversations, so I usually go with something like "Man, this is getting really deep and you've actually got some interesting things to say. It's pretty loud here, so why don't we move over there so we can speak without having to yell?" Just keep it natural and make her feel like she's qualified herself for the right to be isolated.

As for giving your number, I wouldn't unless A) you're also getting her number back, or B) you're 100% sure that she's really into you and you expect a call-back. In the latter case, I'd still try to set up some sort of plans that give her a reason to call you so she doesn't get nervous and pussy out of calling you later. Regardless, I wouldn't be too positive about just giving your number out: ask yourself why she wouldn't want to give her yours?

Getting the number should be a means to "continue this conversation later", I think. If you see it as "wohoo, got the number... now what?" then you've not connected the number to anything other than being a trophy.

I meant it in more of a instead of getting her number when she asks if I want it give her mine and then if she wants to she can call me, although this leaves massive oppourtunities for flaking. I think this week is going to be pure following up numbers week.

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Day game---numbers are decent, and a lot of the time you will get responses if you spent any amount of time with her. Flakes are low.

Night game---numbers are a polite way to say goodbye. Even if you were completely into each other, either logistics got in the way or you took the easy way out and got her number instead of her. Flakes are high.

This is if you have any decent amount game, or are just an interesting person in general. If you are new, use the numbers as confidence boosters, nothing else.

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Ah, I understand now. Well, it could be an interesting change that might intrigue her enough to call you - and she might even feel obliged if she knows the feeling of a guy not calling her after giving out her number. However, I'd make very sure to build an especially solid connection. Also, you may want to be sure to provide some interesting tidbit that would compel her to call you (for instance, if you find out she's into Salsa music, say you know this wicked Latin bar). Like you said though, the flake potential is high. However, it also might help deal with the typical problem of not building enough of a connection and then getting the number, only to not get an answer/call-back.

yeah I will definitely have to build a lot of interest and rapport or it will just be a case of who's number is this?? lol But yeah I'm going to mix things up a little this week, make plans with a couple of girls I have met over the last few weeks and not take my phone out. I'll keep you guys updated thanks for your help

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I went out phoneless on monday and it was pure glory K-closed an Italian girl. Was virtually fools mate I opened the set and she immediately kino'd me (god I love the opener I used, keeping it under wraps though) from then on it was just a bit of DHV some massive negging (i honestly didn't believe she was foreign). So yeah no more phone when I go out.

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Yeah I agree with this.

Plus you have to take in consideration the alcohol involved in night game, influence of her friends, the whole scene in general.

I think night game is good to practice or get laid. But if you truly want something with more substance day game is best.

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