i've been on this site for almost a month now, if not a month and i have to say people talk bad about PUA, and i think i know why

now before you say you shouldn't care about what others say listen


MOST GUYS ON HERE ARE LOOKING FOR A MAGIC FORMULA THAT WORKS WITH EVERY WOMAN....that is basically impossible, being a PUA is about knowing what to say, how to say it, and when to say it. i see to many guys on here fail because they say thing in such a unnatural way. i see guys find pick up lines that sound amazing, say it to a girl they like and completely get rejected and blame PUA for ruining their life.

i see the filed reports and guys sound like robots, and wonder why they get rejected. no girl is the same so no formula will work, a goo PUA can read body language and shape their whole routine off that......BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A ROUTINE....the best way to approach a girl is a natural way. even if you get lines off of pua you should use them natural, in a way where it slips off you tongue and makes the convo go even smoother...not run up to a random hot girl and say "damn want some fries with that shake" -_-.....

to everybody that sound robotic and have a certain routine they use with each girl you are giving PUA's a bad name.........read up and you'll realize that these books these hints these forums help you know how to react to everything a girl does BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN you have to be a robot, where's the fun if everyguy can say a magic line and get her to fuck you?

you can have openers and stuff but try to be as natural as you can be with them, girls are not stupid they can spot a bad PUA from a mile away

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"My understanding of women only goes as far as the pleasure. When it comes to the pain I'm like any other bloke - I don't want to know."-Alfie

Hmhm, I think the same as a newb to pua, Southern.

My own approach to the material is more to learn the psychology behind it and use it in a way to assist my natural character.
I don't want to use any scripted lines or stuff like that. But hellz pua thought me a lot already and I've been in the stuff only for a month. Never knew what a shit-test was, never knew what a bitch-shield was, never knew how the basic "mating" conversation goes down etc.

And I think that's the meat in it, getting to know how the "routine" works, practicing it a lot and playing with your own style. And honestly I haven't had so much fun in a long time as I am having now with learning pua

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Life is not a Disney Movie. It's a frickin jungle out there...

exactly man, thats whay im saying you can have routines but make it natural.

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"My understanding of women only goes as far as the pleasure. When it comes to the pain I'm like any other bloke - I don't want to know."-Alfie

I think a lot of guys rely on these tactics because of low self worth. Most kinda fake it until they make it. It works for some, others need to blaze their own path.

I've actually never done a routine...but I have worked in hundreds of other things that fit into my game. All men are different too. They have to find their own path.

Its all about stepping up and becoming a man.

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My personal mantra:

"Every woman's a whore in the right situation"
"They're all selling it for something"
"She's sluttier than you think she is"

First of all, yes I agree. There's no one-size-fits-all magic formula. It's all hard work, adapting to the situation, getting the right vibe, and doing the proper roles society throws at you.

Second, if you can walk on your own two feet, then you certainly are doing a routine-- a nonverbal routine.



If you are calling a girl on the phone and you say, "Hello." then you certainly are doing a routine-- a verbal routine. If you work a 9 to 5 job, then you're doing a routine. Almost everything in Homo sapiens societies are routines.

So what's my point? When you say a canned pick up line, the verbal routine is just a minor component of the routine. There are routine things that you need to learn like timing, voice inflection, reading and displaying the proper body language that gets the most positive result and so on and so forth.

A seducer should know how to integrate all of these 'routines' to get the best possible outcome. Routines are not bad per se. Routines are the building blocks of human societies from books, schools, work, religion, night clubs, bars, hotels, money and most concepts that you know-- all of these are routines.

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i agree almost 75% those routines are natural routines for the most part

what im saying is guys find a nice pick up line, then look for something to start a convo then look for a joke to include in the convo then look for a closer, then wonder why they can't think of what to say after....its fake and those routines you are talking about are building blocks, the routines im talking about is basically stealing from somebody trying to get the same results

an example of what you're talking about is like somebody making a game, they may decide to make a rpg or a first person shooter but after that its all a creative process

an example of what im talking about is somebody making a game and deciding they want to completely rip off a game like call of duty without adding anything new or unique and wondering why they didn't get the same results


but i do agree with you i just have a hard time explaining stuff

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"My understanding of women only goes as far as the pleasure. When it comes to the pain I'm like any other bloke - I don't want to know."-Alfie

Yes. Integration is the key.

It's like ripping off the algorithm to a software game and your team of graphic artists sucks so bad that nobody wants to play the game or your team of software engineers has executed the algorithm in a mediocre manner making the game so slow, no gamer is patient enough to wait that long to move from point x to point y.

A canned line to be effective in seduction needs the proper integration of several factors (routines) that are mainly non-verbal like timing, tone and so on and so forth.

The most primitive robots seem to do things unnaturally because they have not integrated yet the other routines which make the animals or man those robots are mimicking look 'natural'.

You begin to execute routines more naturally as you gain enough infield experiences and integrate all non-verbal routines that make a 'verbal routine' work.

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Approach. Open. Escalate. Isolate

Here are my two essential rules on texting that will save you tons of time and money:

general-questions/topic137931.html

yea true i understand.....you sound like the vsauce of pickup

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"My understanding of women only goes as far as the pleasure. When it comes to the pain I'm like any other bloke - I don't want to know."-Alfie