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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 7:00 pm 
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Standing with your buddies hoping a girl will notice you is wasting valuable club time. The best and simplest method is to approach the girl, 90% of guys won't. On very rare occasions there will be a super hot girl you have your eyes on and she's surrounded by uber-cockblockers and gentlemen of...shall we say...robust build. Approaching then exhibits a very strong alpha frame but can go seriously wrong unless your game is wired super tight. A very advanced method is called the "limbic resonance technique" and basically you're using unconscious triggers to activate the girls reticular activation system. The RAS is taking in signals from the outside world and routing them either to the conscious brain (the frontal lobes) or the unconscious brain (the amygdala).

Consider this: You're stood in a noisy bar talking to your friend and above all the noise you hear your name spoken 20 feet away. Why? Your amygdala has received a signal that something important has happened and nudges your conscious and you become aware of it. Well the same occurs with visual signals and the best method for you to get a girl to notice you unconsciously then consciously is to do what the NLP crowd call "Matching and mirroring" Basically you copy the girls movement, posture and gestures with you standing in her peripheral vision. (girls have wider peripheral vision than guys so stand slightly farther back than you would think) Keep at it very subtly and it will work and the girl will approach you due to her brain hardwiring creating an unconscious connection. When she does greet her with the words "What took you so long" :)


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Standing with your buddies hoping a girl will notice you is wasting valuable club time. The best and simplest method is to approach the girl, 90% of guys won't. On very rare occasions there will be a super hot girl you have your eyes on and she's surrounded by uber-cockblockers and gentlemen of...shall we say...robust build. Approaching then exhibits a very strong alpha frame but can go seriously wrong unless your game is wired super tight. A very advanced method is called the "limbic resonance technique" and basically you're using unconscious triggers to activate the girls reticular activation system. The RAS is taking in signals from the outside world and routing them either to the conscious brain (the frontal lobes) or the unconscious brain (the amygdala).

Consider this: You're stood in a noisy bar talking to your friend and above all the noise you hear your name spoken 20 feet away. Why? Your amygdala has received a signal that something important has happened and nudges your conscious and you become aware of it. Well the same occurs with visual signals and the best method for you to get a girl to notice you unconsciously then consciously is to do what the NLP crowd call "Matching and mirroring" Basically you copy the girls movement, posture and gestures with you standing in her peripheral vision. (girls have wider peripheral vision than guys so stand slightly farther back than you would think) Keep at it very subtly and it will work and the girl will approach you due to her brain hardwiring creating an unconscious connection. When she does greet her with the words "What took you so long" :)
Interesting... Definitely putting this to the test.


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Standing with your buddies hoping a girl will notice you is wasting valuable club time. The best and simplest method is to approach the girl, 90% of guys won't. On very rare occasions there will be a super hot girl you have your eyes on and she's surrounded by uber-cockblockers and gentlemen of...shall we say...robust build. Approaching then exhibits a very strong alpha frame but can go seriously wrong unless your game is wired super tight. A very advanced method is called the "limbic resonance technique" and basically you're using unconscious triggers to activate the girls reticular activation system. The RAS is taking in signals from the outside world and routing them either to the conscious brain (the frontal lobes) or the unconscious brain (the amygdala).

Consider this: You're stood in a noisy bar talking to your friend and above all the noise you hear your name spoken 20 feet away. Why? Your amygdala has received a signal that something important has happened and nudges your conscious and you become aware of it. Well the same occurs with visual signals and the best method for you to get a girl to notice you unconsciously then consciously is to do what the NLP crowd call "Matching and mirroring" Basically you copy the girls movement, posture and gestures with you standing in her peripheral vision. (girls have wider peripheral vision than guys so stand slightly farther back than you would think) Keep at it very subtly and it will work and the girl will approach you due to her brain hardwiring creating an unconscious connection. When she does greet her with the words "What took you so long" :)
No offense to you mate, but this sounds like pseudoscience. Really dude? Did you throw a bunch of girls in to an fMRI machine and scan their Amygdala under under controlled conditions with your claim as the variable?
A 5 second wikipedia search gives 4 peer reviewed articles that debunk NLP:

http://www.degruyter.com/view/j/ppb.201 ... 0008-0.xml

http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=sea ... -11411-001

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... aintenance

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... aintenance

I've taken a couple classes on cognitive psychology, and I can tell you its a dark, confused forest, and there's little science there. Everyone has a theory for everything, and for every one dude with a model about a particular aspect of your memory, or cognition, there are 3 other dudes with their own, contradicting models. Every single model you'll see in psychology makes predictions which have been contradicted by experiment. Don't believe anything you hear about the mind unless its from a neuroscientist or a Neurologist MD. Even so, they'll tell you very little, because we don't really know jack about the human mind, so psychologists and "social workers", and other various pseudo-intellectuals try to make up elaborate models that explain some of what we know, and then fail spectacularly in their predictions when put to the test.

The reason NLP works for PUAs is the same reason a sugar pill works for pain patients. If they don't know its a sugar pill, they think its medicine. It's all in your mind, but in the end, it still helps your game.
You'll say that the fact that it helps validates it. I'll say that I could come up with any number of arbitrary techniques and theories of pickup, and if I sell them well, and convince people that they are legitimate, then people will actually see an improvement in their game, even though when I made my techniques up, they had nothing to do with reality.


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The basis of the technique is derived from evolutionary psychology, the NLP community use it in their methods but it's not the central tenet of NLP, it's just something that's been incorporated into NLP. A lot of NLP is at the moment unproven but the separation of unconscious and conscious processes goes back to Jung over a 100 years ago. If you encounter an HB10 you don't choose to find her attractive, you just do. It's an unconscious survival switch to attract you to good genes and help the survival of your offspring (genes)

The amygdala monitors the world around you to create a salience or value map of the environment and how it can ensure the survival of your gene masters and even has fastrack access to your senses. All body language decoding occurs here as does emotional response which are natures tried and tested responses to threats or opportunity when you have to act fast.

Thanks for the feedback, have a go yourself and see what you think.


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99.9% of the time, some girl whos with a big group is NOT going to approach you just because your mirroring her body language and actions.

I'd say, however, that a good majority of the time the girl is going to turn to her guy friends and ask if they see the weirdo trying too hard to get her attention.

Although its generally a waste of time to approach a chick whos with a group of 3+, a better way of getting her to notice you is the hover approach. Stand near her and be normal. Talk with your freinds, another girl, dancing... whatever. Keep an eye on her out of the side of your eyes and if shes interested in you she will start checking you out and slightly position herself away from her group. This signals that she wants you to approach her.

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It's a lot more powerful than you give it credit. The trick is to do it subtly not mimic it like a monkey. You're looking for three or four key movements to mirror. From experience I have found the best ones are the girls unconscious ones such as face touching, taking a drink, stance adjustment and checking her phone. The level of subtlety is that even if you were being filmed and someone watched afterwards they would be 50/50 on if it was coincidence. I've studied PUA from a neuroscience/Psychology perspective for over a decade now and have field tested this at least a hundred times over the last five years. It works better in a bar than a club due to the higher environmental stimulus of the latter. I would say it will engender an approach in about 20% of occasions and soften your own approach should you make one in about 50% of occasions.

The Amygdala is the seat of your emotions and what it does is monitor your environment for two things.

1/ Things which are hazardous to your genes biological survival unit: your body.
2/ Things which can help your genes procreate themselves.

All this happens on an unconscious level, the amygdala likes things which are the same to you as difference can spell danger and "sameness" generates a mental connection. If you want to research it Google "limbic resonance" for an overview.

My biggest success of latter years using this method was in Tenerife last year. An experienced PUA from a team who operated in the same bars as us approached me outside a bar while I was having a smoke and declared with wide open eyes "I've just seen an HB11!" On returning back inside there she was: A nailed on smoking HB10 sat with a few 9's and what looked like the male cast of "Gears of war" if they ever make the film. 5'11, blonde and as my wingman said "I can't stop looking at her" attractive and possibly Finnish or Swedish to boot (Actually Danish)

Totally unapproachable due to the noise and location of their seating and who she was sat with I recruited two pivots who we see every year who find the whole PUA thing hilarious for a "psychological experiment" After purchase of drinks as payment in advance I explained what we were going to do and set up camp to the left of the big death row watching her, and the four of us; me, my wingman and the two pivots Chloe and Chloe matched and mirrored for a good ten minutes till the girls got bored and just as we were about to give it up one of the girls said "she's coming over!" She borrowed a smoke from one of her friends and took a convoluted route to walk straight past us, the Chloes both turned to face me and create preselection and as she passed she gave me a surprising shy smile and walked outside for a smoke. I followed her outside with the girls 5 mins behind to deal with AMOG's and my first words were "you took your time" (presupposition of connection) FC that night and actually retired from PUA for the next three nights till she went home to Denmark.

The moral of the story is:
1/ Keep at it for at least 15 mins even if you think it's not working.
2/ You have nothing to loose if it doesn't work.
3/ Do it subtly.
4/ The more people in your group doing it the more powerful it is but the more people the more subtle.


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99.9% of the time, some girl whos with a big group is NOT going to approach you just because your mirroring her body language and actions.

I'd say, however, that a good majority of the time the girl is going to turn to her guy friends and ask if they see the weirdo trying too hard to get her attention.

Although its generally a waste of time to approach a chick whos with a group of 3+, a better way of getting her to notice you is the hover approach. Stand near her and be normal. Talk with your freinds, another girl, dancing... whatever. Keep an eye on her out of the side of your eyes and if shes interested in you she will start checking you out and slightly position herself away from her group. This signals that she wants you to approach her.
^ that or wait for some type of "distraction" or disengagement of the target from the group and act quickly and decisive, this is another way... I would not disregard totally girls in 3+ group, nothing is impossible but talking about statistic, efficiency and patterns, it most likely what wm says. Specially for a newbie, or somebody just learning. The reason i do not discount large group is that the hottest women are typically part of the large group. But again is a bit more tricky and difficult seduction, which in itself presents an opportunity cause most if not all guys will not want to approach... Finally, have multiple targets that are you type in your radar go for the easier situation first then after that is exhausted the harder ones... If 3 equal your type hb 10 are in the club and one is with a 5 guys 3 girls, and another one is 2 girls 1 guy and another one 2 girls... I would go to the easier one, in the example given 2 girls, 1 guy, cause the second girl is a 3rd wheel specially in a dance floor situation. Then if i get rejected or there is nothing there for me i would go to the, 2 girls and if not then i would do the last 3 girls in my sample.

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