How Pickup, at least at first, is like Doublethink



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:37 am 
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I was just thinking about this correlation and wanted to share my thoughts. The concept of doublethink is from George Orwell's book 1984 and it basically means to hold two opposing realities in your head and believe both of them. I think it accurately describes the process you undergo when trying to overcome being an AFC.

In the book, for instance, the main character's job is to alter documents so that the government is always right about everything. He has to forget that he altered these documents and then even forget that he forgot. He has to fully accept the new reality (he doesn't of course, because it wouldn't be much of a book if he was like the masses.)

Like the main character we all undergo the process of holding these opposing realities in our head. You can't just skip right over to accepting the PUA way of life. When you approach a girl you simultaneously are thinking, "This interaction doesn't matter at all to me, who gives a shit if she blows me off." and "Of course it matters to me, why else would I be talking to her?" This is what runs through my head at least. I am simultaneously accepting both of these things as the truth when I'm talking to a girl. I'm trying to not give a shit, but my hidden self betrays me because I really do give a shit.

For a time you believe both of these things. I wish I could automatically retrain my brain to not giving a shit what women think and being a pickup machine, but I can't. I have this voice in the back of my head that still gives me a hard time, and I think once you finally get rid of that voice is when you flourish.

Also what most of us have been taught or heard most of our lives is not an effective way to pickup chicks. Just be a nice guy or be yourself doesn't exactly cut it. I understand the idea behind them, but thats not how you build attraction and I get that now. Plus how fucking vague are the statements be a nice guy and be yourself? I shouldn't even have to answer that.

So sometimes when I'm in an interaction I'll be thinking "OK how can I DHV?" and like a goddamn unicorn will fly through my head yelling, "Tell her she's pretty, do it now!" And for a moment I think "Yeah that'l work." until I tell the unicorn to fuck off of course. But I still have these opposing realities fighting to validate themselves in my head. One of them works, the other does not.

Anyway, if I keep writing I'll risk redundancy (which honestly I have a tendency to fucking ramble) but basically what I'm saying is the journey to becoming your own best self and a PUA is, to me, exactly like doublethink.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:45 am 
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This might actually belong in the inner game section, if so I apologize.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:55 pm 
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I don't have a lot to add but I totally get where you're coming from.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:02 am 
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I found this to be a fitting song for the pick up community and its adventures: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yQ9a-hJVy0
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:15 am 
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The fear of rejection is an innate human instinct. In caveman days, if you were rejected by a female, your life could literally end because you would not be able to produce young to start a clan of your own. Knowing that we shouldn't care is a modern train of thought, because we consciously know that there are literally thousands of other women in the nearest city.

As for doublespeak and cognitive dissonance, it's mentioned in this article, specifically what Molly Ringwald says:
http://pulsotic.blogspot.com/2011/01/pr ... sited.html

It's about the character Duckie from the 1980's movie Pretty in Pink. Duckie is the "lovable loser" with a serious case of one-itis for Molly Ringwald's character (Andie). Andie rejects Duckie, and instead goes for someone else from a different background than her own (which is the plot of the movie). How does Molly Ringwald, the actor, explain the actions of Andie? Well, because the character of Andie is a good person who can do no wrong, she claims Duckie must have been gay. We know he isn't, because of his infatuation with Andie. But his rejection must be explained somehow.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:57 am 
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I like that. She had to rationalize it somehow so she immediately went to the easiest one that was congruent with how she felt about him. She probably would think John Cryer in real life was gay too if he wasn't married. Who wouldn't though?

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