Okay, so I am trying something that, for me; is very new.

I am gaming a girl, incredibly slowly. Normally I game to get laid as quickly as possible, but this girl is a friend and I want to experiment with a new style of pickup.

So she can be kinda bossy, and I've teased her a bit about it, but I am still rewarding her for being honest about it (promoting honesty is a big part of what I am trying to do) I'm cutting her off from time to time and of course punishing her a little when she cuts me off, but I was wondering if you guys had some tips on how to influence her under the radar, as I really like her domineering personality but need to shift it a bit later in the process.

Thanks in advance.

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No matter how much cats fight, there always seem to be plenty of kittens. ~Abraham Lincoln

Because i can.

First of all, gaming a girl increadibly slowly might be hard, as this will easily put you in the LJBF-zone. So honestly, I don't think you'll reinvent the wheel here.

Secondly, you oughta draw a very fine line if you want to reward her for being honest about her bossyness, but not rewarding the bossyness itself.

Now, if I were you, I would've gone all out on her, get her attracted to you and have sex with her. This would also influence her, as the easiest way to influence someones way of acting is to get them attracted to you, and let them work to please you. You'll notice small things, like she's taking your expressions. It'll mainly be verbal expressions, but facial might occur aswell. She'll form herself to match you, so that the two of you will appear more alike, and thus a better couple. In other words, the easiest way to influence her under the radar, is to game her good, and get her attracted to you.

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First off, thanks for responding The Dice.

I know I'm not going to flip the script on anything, but the concept of "friend-zone" boggles me as I've never actually been in it.

Now In the community you hear things like "I'm in the friend-zone HELP ME" all the time and the typical responses are usually "nothing you an do" "move on" etc. etc. Right?

Why? How come there are guys out there inventing new ways to made and attract 10's. New ways to get girls with boyfriends, girls who are moviestars, or strippers. If you can get all these girls in a specific way, why not girls yo are friends with?

Now I am not trying to be a pug or anything, but I think the reason many guys fall into the LJBF-trap is because they fail to establish themselves as sexual beings, and because they don't Kino and sexually escalate.
All my friends know that I am a massive Skank and I don't mind them calling me it at all. I don't mind them talking about it. I can always flip the conversation if it takes a negative tone, but every time they joke about the number of girls I've been with, they cement the idea that I sleep with every girl I know.

Now as you might imagine, there's a few of my female friends thinking why hasn't he tried to sleep with me?
In fairness. When I started Game, I was already a natural and a big part of what I've been doing is identifying what I do naturally do really really well and especially what part I naturally don't do so well. Another thing I do with my female friends is I Kino alot! Innocently enough though and I sexually escalate.

I think this is what prevents me from being put into the LJBF-zone.

I really like your thoughts on rewarding and yes you're absolutely right, I need to be very specific and careful. Some of the conversation from last time went:

*she interrupts me
"now, now you little interrupturamus are we a bit bossy" (this is more playful and teasing but HARD to translate into English"
*She laughs
"Yeah, I can be really dominating."
"That's okay, I still like you"

Now when I tease her and at the same time ask her if she is bossy, that question is actually a justified compliance test and we never ever punish for compliance. So I either have to reward her at this point.

The last point isn't really helpful as that's not what I am trying to do, but thank you for answering.

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No matter how much cats fight, there always seem to be plenty of kittens. ~Abraham Lincoln

Because i can.

That does bring some more light on the situation.

Now, I might not be the one to help you out in this situation, becuase the girls that have LJBF-zoned me, has been my decisions, and I still sleep with them from time to time (no sex tho, only second base, as any more might ruin my social circle). I have however experienced friendzoning before learning game.. Shit hurts bad when you're an AFC with a major case of oneitis. Luckily, it hurts enough that you'll be willing to do anything to not let it happen again, and start reading up on game.

There's two ways to break the friendzone.

One: The Ladder Theory.

Women have two "ladders" one for friends, and one for potential sexual partners. (I'm guessing that you automatically get categorized in the latter.) Once you've started climbing the friend ladder, you've pretty much dun goofed. You could try to climb so high on the friend ladder that eventually you'll be able to jump over to the other one and enter a relationship (You'll see examples of this from time to time) or you'll fail, and will have to start from rock bottom on the Friend ladder again.

Two: Freeze out.

Simply explained, total freeze out. No contact what so ever for a couple of months (long enough that you'll be able to change) and when you meet her again, have a new haircut/clothes/body(as in working out) or something else visibly different. She'll then accept you as a "new" person, and you may game her without "we're only friends" objections.


I hope the information could be to some value, and I wish you the best of luck in finding an easy solution to the LJBF-zone! Let me know if you make any progress!

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The problem with friendzone is that you have showed your intentions early on. The girl didn't know you were interested in her or sexually interested. And this is the case; you have got a (strong) friendship with a girl, and you tell her that you like her. But in her mind she thinks that she doesn't want to break the relationship. Because it is more often not worth your time, the experienced people say move on, and so do I.

You see, women are categorized in 3 categories; Receptive, Neutral, Unreceptive. When women are neutral, and you don't show your intentions in any way towards her, she"ll slowly move into Unreceptive a.k.a. friendzone. I hope this kinda makes things clear?

Wallie

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Definitely some great stuff her thank you guys, I'll try playing around with it and see what happens

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No matter how much cats fight, there always seem to be plenty of kittens. ~Abraham Lincoln

Because i can.

First off, new here, just heard about PUA and have never before practiced picking up women. I've been very successful just by being myself and never had a problem to hook up or get girls like me. It has always been the thing I enjoy doing most and I find it funny that I use almost all of these tactics or techniques I have read from here this far, but never have really gave it a thought that I'm doing something that we could label.

Anyway, back to your situation. I think many of the issues people have when talking about some other relationship issues than just getting late, is that they don't really even know what they are trying to accomplish. So first thing you need to do is figure out and make it clear what it is what you want? You want to have sex with her? Want to get into serious relationship and see where it goes? Do either of those, but get rid of her bossiness? Like with almost every trivial problem start from the end. When you (and we also) know where you want to end up, then you can get better answer how to get there.

About being in the friendzone. I have been in friendzone all my life. I'm the guy who listens, shares their problems, give advice, offer my shoulder to cry and all those kind of girly things they do with their friends. And then they ask me to fuck them. My point is, it's not black and white. If you are in friendzone it doesn't automatically mean that they can't see you as potential sex partner. It is all about what kind of ENERGY you give off. I think that is the most important aspect in picking up women. Your own energy. You can pick up girls doing the most incredible stuff that is not even funny or cool, if you just give off right kind of energy at the right time. You can't (actually you can, but it might backfire really easily ) start making shock and awe lines when girl is feeling really bad and crying to you. But with right energy you can lead things in any direction you want.