Hello fellow men, I think this is the best place to post this hopefully. I have two-itis. I'm obsessed with TWO girls who I literally would marry tomorrow if I had that option (one of them obviously) I'm actually struggling with pick-up because I don't want to commit to mastering the art of seduction and pick-up if there is any shot that either of those girls can be my future wife. Why bother when either of them WILL complete my life? I figure the only way to get rid of the two-itis is to get a definitive answer from both of them about whether they like me or not. Note that after these two girls either reject or accept me into their arms, I will avoid two-itis once and for all and will commit to picking up random women and bedding them down and such (I'll have nothing to lose). Let me tell you a thing or two about these two girls real quick...

...Quinn and Arias are their names, and I went to high school with them, and graduated a few years ago. They are now college girls. In HS, I was (still am actually) an AFC. Couldn't talk to girls right if my life depended on it. BUT...these two girls were best friends to each other and treated me really great. They each came to see me wrestle just for me, they each would let me dance with them at dances if I had no other partners (Arias liked dirty dancing they're both in my city now though. one of them now goes to my college...perfect excuse. the other is just visiting from her little college town. Heres my plan:

Message one of them on FB and tell her I saw her by my school the other day (a lie, but one that is believable since she goes to my school.) If she reads my message and doesn't respond, then I'm officially done and can move on. No putting a lot of effort into it. One message and if it starts a convo I can ask if she wants coffee or drinks or just to hang out...which WILL lead to sex if i have my way. No response or a meassly one word uninterested answer, I'm not gonna put any more time invested into getting her. rinse and repeat for the other girl as well but a little different since she doesn't actually live in my city.

Is my plan good? And if I get rejected, will I FINALLY move on and be rid of the two-itis? note that i haven't talked to either of these girls since 2010. it'd be a shock for them to hear from me so randomly.

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This is like putting all of your eggs into 2 baskets instead of putting them into one. Almost just as bad... Do you know WHY you SHOULD learn pick-up and seduction? Because IF you finally do "wife down" one of these girls, or any girl you decide to settle for, and they cheat on you with someone who is more fun and exciting and not a "frustrated chump" you will have a skill-set to fall back on and meet more women. Work on yourself first bro. Get to a point where you know you are not an AFC and you actually are on a life path that you will want to be on. No girl wants to be with some guy who thinks he is a chump... Because if you think you are a chump, then you really are a chump, therefore any girl will think you are a chump.

Thanks for replying! I see what you mean there. I don't want to bank all my happiness on one or two people but the balls already rolling...I FINALLY, after 3 years, got the balls to message her. Heres the convo so far:

-ME: was that you i saw by portland state university the other day?

HER: most likely. i was there last monday

ME: i thought that was you. i was on the go otherwise i would have stopped to catch up. you're like one of the only people from our HS to go to psu, besides a couple people. you go there now?

HER: i start in the summer

ME: summer...whats your major?

HER: psych

ME: psych! what are doing this weekend, i'd like to meet up with you over coffee!

TO BE CONTINUED...IF SHE REPLIES

Basically I am now either going to get rejected by my dream girl, or not.

I get what your saying and if i get rejected or worse, she doesn't reply, i'll go into deep depression, but then get REAL serious about pick-up. i have been avoiding it right now because i'm afraid of failure. when and if i do become vigorous with being a PUA, i will avoid heartbreak and go only after meaningless flings until i meet a nice Australian girl to settle with in sydney (though i'm american).

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No offense man, but just based on that text transcript - it seems like you're doing all the work in the conversation while her responses are more aloof. I also notice that she doesn't ask follow-up questions or carry her weight in convo - a good indicator of disinterest. This seems a bit too eager and needy. Just based on the girl friends that I have, I know that they all send their texts VERY meticulously- many agonizing over every word. That also means that they'll read into your texts a lot too.

I don't think it's bad to go direct like you did, but I think you probably should have built some more rapport, and more tension before going for the close - particularly when she texted you aloof non-sequiturs.

Take a look at the link on my signature - it's basically my account of texting with one chick (so far). I definitely need to improve on many aspects of texting game, but near the end you'll notice that it's basically her qualifying herself, then asking ME out .

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FUCK! WHAT DO I SAY TO THIS??? I"M GONNA FALL HARD...

HER: i'm actually pretty busy with family stuff, and i have to get ready for classes monday, i'm taking 15 credits in 4 weeks

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Yes, I expected something like this.

Step 1: relax. This is just one girl, and you are learning. We've all been here and it's nothing to get too worked up about.

Step 2: She is disinterested. Do NOT text her back anything asking for another possible way to meet up. Instead don't text back until Step 3.....or say something like "that's a lot of credits, good luck!" Then end it there.

Step 3: I would not text this chick for at least 2 weeks or she will get creeped out in a major way. She basically rejected you in a nice way giving 2 tired excuses. When you do text her back, make it random funny/witty - and do NOT ask her out again because she will say no. If she reciprocates convo, then great - you should banter with her for a while on different occasions before trying to ask her out again. If she continues to be aloof or doesn't respond, then absolutely stop texting her and move on.


Step 4: Talk to other girls.

Hope this helps man, there are many girls out there and it's not worth being miserable over one or two. Be happy.

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Preston's Game Log - Please critique

Thanks for the advice. This is FB, not texting, FYI. (I understand it's basically the same). I don't even have her cell number. I haven't messaged back yet. I was waiting in fear of saying something to dig a deeper hole , so thank you. Your response was great, but should I throw in a Cocky & Funny Neg or something? Like:

"So having 15 credits means no social life with past friends? thats rough..." OR something along those lines. would that get her thinking i'm assertive or would she get irritated? note that she only knows me as a shy AFC and has never seen the Alpha male side of me. should i show her? i won't respond to her until i know if i should do this. thanks

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Came up with some possible responses that incorporated negging. (Or C/F) VOTE ON WHICH I SHOULD USE:

-Then wouldn't it make sense to get those drinks before your hair turns gray over those incredible credits? how bout next week after monday, miss arias? (SHE'S STUDYING PSYCH HENCE THE MISS ARIAS)

OR

-15 Credits = Gray Hair. Can we get those drinks while you're still a brunette? Maybe tuesday or thursday?

OR

-4 weeks? looks like we better get those drinks sooner than later while you still have black hair. tuesday?


Please vote or tell me which would likely fuse a response from her. I know I sound desperate but if I'm going out, I wanna go out with a bang!

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This is happening. Stop talking to her and read everything you can.

Look man we have all been there, i was stuck in the friendzone for 6 friggin years, you MUST get out of there at all costs, start going out and dating other girls, and get yourself out of her radius, try to avoid her as much as you can, don't go near her and go after other woman, and the spell will be broken(i only got rid of my oneitis when i dropped out of college and i was not seeing this girl on daily basis anymore).

i haven't seen this girl in person since 2010 in high school. she's just a FB friend now. im just trying to go for my HS crush which i never had the balls to do back then. i won't go down without a fight.

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You went totally wrong in my opinion, textbook example of a friendzoned chump that finally had guts to approach his crush, in romance novels this kind of behavior always leads to them being together, that is a lie, in romance novels the girl is always in love with the poor chump and is just waiting for him to ask. In reality though woman moves on very fast if you are not acting, she will write you off even if you were attractive to her before.

Getting from the"just a friend" status to "potential boyfriend" status is an uphill battle that usually have to involve at least two things 1. total makeover both external and internal and 2. another woman. Yes that's right, the only way for a girl who friendzoned you to start viewing you as a potential boyfriend is to make yourself a better you and then find another woman who will have this better you. This should(hopefully) arouse in the girl one the feeling of, well for the lack of a better word betrayal.

If you only make a change and you do not find other woman she will feel no pressure to reclaim you, she will feel she owns and deserves better you and nothing will change. To actually be interested she has to feel like she is loosing you, and since she considered you her "check for a rainy day" she will try to reclaim you, it is imperative that you do not return to her like a good puppy as soon as she calls, let her work her ass off to get you back.

With all this said it is entirely possible she will not even care, and even if you succeed the baggage from your AFC days will be a hell of a burden for a relationship, so i would not bother, but if you have to face her by all means do it, but make yourself ready, this will be very hard battle.

I get what you're saying. I'm already getting ready to start getting other women. I just sent her one last ditch effort message. Heres what I said:

ME: 15 credits = grey hair. Sounds like we should be doing this while you're still a brunette are you free anytime after monday


We'll see if she even responds. if it's 'I'm busy all week' or something, looks like my one-itis will be gone while i pursue other ladies.

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ok she said

HER: i'll let you know

...is that rejection or is she being sincere

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Seems like she is not so interested but she wants to keep the door open(which is in my opinion the exact thing that you should not do).