I just got the brilliant idea to repeat some things said on the website already, but in a different context. This is less about how and more about why. In several sections of the forum, many have suggested journaling. This is a form of progressive self-reflection. It serves as the cornerstone to human development. Because the human brain is naturally a scientific machine, every human brain is hardwired with the ability to recognize patterns. Recognizing patterns is something which early humans had to become good at in order to survive in the wilderness. The same abilities used by ancient humans for observing high tide and low tide can now be used by you to fix any habit, because habits are essentially patterns. And if you strip it down to the bare minimum, human interaction it self is a series of recognizable patterns.

This same logic can be applied to the entire human experience; because of this ability humans can not only to recognize situations, but they can also to change those situations. This is what separates humans from the rest of animal species on the planet. But why is the scientific method and journaling important to you? The ability to recognize and diagnose patterns is at the heart of the reason why we journal. The scientific method provides us with the ability to observe ourselves as a neutral third party would. The ability to write neutral and observant statements is critical to self-evolution.

More than simply writing down what you see or hear, a person can guess why they are doing what they are doing, and take steps to observe whether their own perception is in need of a tune-up. The scientific method it self is believed to have originated in the Arabic middle east during the Muslim golden age, however; it was the observation of renaissance Europeans such as Francis Bacon that brought this method to the attention of modern audiences, thus to you.

So why is this important to PUA? Being able to apply sound and reasoned logic to your problems is the best solution to those problems. What is self-improvement but one great experiment? Why should science and self change be separate? The answer is that they should not be separate, in fact logic and reason is the solution to most of life’s problems.

However, in the art of pick-up the scientific method cannot be copied word for word, people are not robots, machines, or objects. The flows of interactions are dynamic, and most importantly people are busy, and some are lazy… So to cut through the clutter, here is what I’ve narrowed down as the PUA scientific method:

• I.) Definition- Having a clear and sound idea of what you wish to do, and how you wish to do it is the first and most important step in any self-improvement journey. Having realistic and reasonable goals leads to creating more similar goals that eventually lead to accomplishing an ultimate objective.
  
  II.) Research- Once you have a clear understanding of what you want to do, such as (learn how eye contact), you then progress onto the phase of learning how to do it. Since this is best achieved through reading, it would be pointless to deny yourself the fruits of someone else’s knowledge or experience. However, this remains controversial, because reading without doing, or learning without applying is not really learning at all. Therefore, the best way to go about this is to do a little research, find the best book you can find in a week (and the most relevant chapter within that book) or the shortest and most effective article you can find and base everything off of that.
  
  
  III.) Predict (Hypothesis) - After all of that is finished, then estimate you’re self. Comments must remain neutral and objective, avoid comments such as: it’s because I suck, or I’m not a good person, etc. Being self-absorbed is the least constructive way to fix your problems. These comments should be simple and neutral, such as; I think I will break contact initially because of nervousness and inexperience, etc. This is how most hypothesis should be, about 2-3 sentences in length, no longer.
  
  IV.) Experiment- once you come up with what you want to do, what you should do (based on your gathering of intelligence), and how you think you will perform (based on prediction), it is now time for you to experiment. Go out and test these ideas and then document the results. This is most important portion of any learning experience. This experiment should ideally be for a certain time period, and limited to a certain location. This helps you to maintain clarity. For example, eye contact in night game for two weeks is a good starting point.
  
  V.) Analyze your data- Once you have documented down your data for the set time and in the set location, you can then begin to break down the data. Such as the times you went to the bar, what topics or variation of those topics you’ve used most frequently, and the responses to those topics on certain girls. After you have broken down the data into its smallest and rawest form you can then move on.
  
  VI.) Interpret the data into useful information and draw a valid conclusion- Based on your previous analysis of the data, you can now interpret this data and provide your self with a conclusion. Such as, I noticed that without drinking my eye contacted faltered, this occurred most frequently around 9:00pm before I’ve had drinks. Therefore, before going out I will relax and loosen up a bit by performing my favorite activity. This provides the essential groundwork for a solution.
  
  VII.) Retest- Now you can test whether or not your previous assessment of your self was accurate. You can now retest your self under a new set of predictions and then begin to see if your conclusion from the first experiment was right. You can essentially repeat this process until all the small bugs are out of your system.

So to recap the PUA scientific method is as follows:

• • 1.) (Short) Define
    
    2.) (Fast) Research
    
    3.) (Short) Prediction
    
    4.) Experiment
    
    5.) Analyze the data
    
    6.) Interpret the data and come up with a valid conclusion
    
    7.) Retest

I’ve used this method successfully at least 2 or 3 times, first with my sleeping habits, then my study habits, and now with my weight loss habits. Evaluating yourself scientifically may be the most effective means to transform into a new being regardless of the habit.

It`s actually quite good what you are writting, because the object of study here is not females or other people; it`s in fact oneself.

This is why you can become good at things and I`m applying a similar method to sports, but if you let me ask, I`d like you to send me your structured method with examples about the weight loss. I`m not overweight, actually I`m at the ideal, but now I wanna get my 6 pack and this method might be the solution.

Nice approach on oneself, this is the scientific method to become better at whatever is that you as a human are doing, therefore PUA.

I'm sure this method works for other areas, the ones you mentioned would it suit it. But unfortunately it's not going to work for pick up, this is just mental masturbation. The frame you have is way too analytically and will not help you in field, remember if pick up is anything it is an 'art' - pick up ARTIST.

By all means go out and experiment with ideas, concepts and techniques and see what work for you. But trying to turn pick up into some kind of science experiment is impossible. You don't have any where near enough control to analyse results, backwards rationalize them to certain factors and draw meaningful conclusions. Most of what people think works for them is probably wrong, it could be any of the other million factors that are constantly changing that is actually making the difference.

Don't get caught up in the trap of being so analytical and thinking that is how you will learn. Most of your learning (well at least most of mine and those I've known) will be unconscious. The only things you can focus on in field are very basic ideas such as speak loud. Any attempt to analyse what i am doing whlist out and manipulating those factor failed woefully for me and it will do for you too.

Good luck.

To xZerox:

Repeating old beaten rhetoric and arguing from faulty non-existent logic does not make this tool any less effective. As complex as you would like to make it seem, it is not. Human interaction is nothing more than a set of habits and patterns. If you have the ability to recognize those habits and patterns, then you can take effective measures to change them. It is impossible for humans to not have or create set habits, because when you break it down to the bare bolts, humans are nothing more than creatures of habit. Humans have the ability to recognize a situation and then take steps to either: endorse a situation (usually an opportunity), or change it (usually a problem). As I previously explained, that is how we survived in the wilderness. All humans are prone to habits. There is no getting rid of habits, or suppressing them, only changing them. Journaling is an effective way to assess habits, and more importantly, to assess your personal strengths. The human brain has for hundreds of thousands of years, used pattern recognition as the primary engine of survival. In simple terms, journaling is nothing more than an enhancement tool for the human brain to use. It operates off of the same principles, and journaling has been confirmed by several members on this forum, the scientific community, and the sexual health and wellness community to be one of the most effective tools for self-improvement.

I suspect that your cringing lies not in the tool itself, but in the use of the word “science", since the word “science” implies a perfectly structured system which can be easily repeated elsewhere. There was once such a notorious method that sought perfect order and structure, its name, the mystery method. It was overly redundant and had too many factors which made it unreliable. The fatal flaw with this analysis however, is that this article contains no methods, no scripts, and no preordered words, only observations. In other words, it is a tool, not a method. Tools can be used for and or by anyone and any method. I never said, "go use the scientific method on girls". In fact I am sure I said, "use the scientific method on self". Your beef is more with semantics and less about actual effectiveness. A further counter to your half-baked argument is the fact that this tool relies heavily on sporadic and independent field testing. Nothing about this tool is “structured” besides recording the results of field interactions (from memory) and focusing on a venue. By being able to focus on one environment and one group, you can become stronger in those target areas.

You would rather have guys live out the definition of insanity, that is, repeat the same actions only to expect different results. The reason that 90% of guys fail in PUA is not because they are incapable, but because they spend the first couple of months thinking A.) This is a quick fix to all my problems (Which it is not), B.) They have no clue what the hell they really want to do, in other words all they know what they want is “bitches”, and C.) Once they hit a wall, they keep repeating the same retarded mistakes until they give up. Being able to chart and see your progress is an effective counter measure against problem A. Having a clear and well defined goal, along with a set venue is the solution to problem B. And being able to assess problems and address them with neutral vision is a solution to problem C. In other words, journaling can resolve most of the problems people have in game. It is an effective tool with which people can use. I really don’t see too many valid arguments against this method of journaling other than choice and preference.

You are right, choice and preference lead me to be against this systematic approach towards learning pick up. I am not here to debate what forces fundamentally govern human behavior, as it is of course out of our depths. We may be creatures of habit but this is largely irrelevant to pick up. This would help to recognize your own bad habits to break them, but a dissertation is not needed to do this, mere common sense in most cases.

Most men who are drawn to pick up are above average intelligence (an assumption but i have met a large number of PUAs), they have failed with women. Then they attempt to apply logic, algorithms, systematic analysis to women in an attempt to 'understand' women, it does not work and they fail again. Most guys fail at pick because they have failed in all other areas of there life, they give up and stop trying, it is not the lack of analysis of themselves.

Your post is dangerous and will set newbies on the wrong path from the start, that is why I feel to counter it. Pick up should be a focus on self improvement, your held frame advocates trying to find out patterns, loopholes and such, even if it does not explicitly say so.

Please tell me your application of this method in pick up and what results (success) it has got you. Also tell me what other posters have applied similar methods.

This statement is terribly wrong since all human interactions, including those that lead to sex, are based on habits or the creation thereof.
Breaking bad habits are key factors that lead to a good social and sexual life. Since the greatest factor prohibiting most men from obtaining those two things are habits. It is therefore very important that we record them. Mere common sense is not too common, humans have a frightful tendency to fall back on old negative behaviors should they not have a recorded example of their performance. Being able to track performance is key in self-change.
Irrelevant, seeing as the object of study is not the woman, but the self. No algorithms are applied, just simple reasoning skills that even 5th graders have. Most men initially fall to the age old of habit used by men since the dawn of time. It is best characterized by men in their late 40s using get rich quick schemes. In other words, they plan for quick success and over abundant rewards not realizing the effort, change, or work necessary to achieve those rewards or success. Failing again is a result of repeating poor and inefficient habits (such as lack of good judgment, and self-defeating behaviors) that they are subconsciously unaware of. A journal gives men the ability to monitor the subconscious consciously.
Only partially correct, see the above.
My post is dangerous only because it is against the current tone of rhetoric set in the community. The fact that you felt the need to counter it is most likely in response to the above. Your fear is that this tool forces men to over analyze, when no such requirement is necessary. You believe that men should free lance with no written record of their achievements or weaknesses. This however, is perhaps one of the leading reasons for failure, the lack of oversight and structure. I am conceding that many members of this website, including ones who support natural game, are not opposed to journaling and in fact endorse its usage. However, one of the key problems in the community is how men should best get started.
Maybe you’ve been hiding under a rock, but the entire field report section is full of journals, including the journal of AFC Daniel, he may have not used the tool exactly as I have, but it is extremely close. He has undoubtedly witnessed remarkable progress using his journal. Daniel has systematically recorded and tracked his progress and as a result he has been able to assess his weaknesses and overcome them using sound judgment. I rest my case.

I first want to establish that the goals of weight loss and muscle building are two extremely different goals, and require different approaches. However, the method I’ve used for my weight loss is as follows.

I.) Objective (Definition) - For me the most important portion of the entire program was coming up with a clear and sound objective. My initial goal was to lose 60 lbs and drop from 240lbs to 180 lbs.

II.) Purpose- The second most important part was to distinguish as a person, why do I want to lose the weight? For me a motivating factor was to avoid the chronic illnesses that plague my family.

III.) Current Obstacles- When starting a healthy lifestyle it is important to evaluate what you can do and cannot do. Most people starting out weight loss or exercise regiments live in lala land, but the most important thing you can do is understand concrete facts that prohibit you from reaching your goals. There will always be legitimate constraints to any plan, point blank. For example, legitimate constraints that actually can put a damper on your plans are time constraints (required commitments), financial constraints (not having the money in the present moment), and physical constraints (not being able to do certain exercises because of physical restriction). These realistic constraints will determine the workout that you are restricted to starting out, none of these are permanent constraints given the proper time, effort, and financial pursuit.

IV.) Research (Bodybuilder.com is an awesome resource)- I then spent about a week, but no longer, looking up a reasonable amount of exercises, and plans that fit me, sometimes you may want to consult a physician or a trainer. Especially if you have some sort of physical handicap.

V.) Plan of Action- After that I spent a few days whipping together three workouts that I could change out every two or three weeks so that my muscles didn’t adjust to previous workouts.

VI.) Implementation of the plan of action- I then set a hard start date for the commencement of my working out. I set my work out date two days out from the completion of my plan of action, and adjusted them according to my work or school schedule.

VII.) Weekly Assessment of plans- I would then go back each week and see if I had reached my preset goals. If I have not, I then proceed to ask myself why I have not reached those goals, and what steps I can take to improve the situation. I wouldn’t spend a lot of time on this or, not workout the next day because of the results; I would simply hit a search bar button, look on a forum or a health website, adjust accordingly and continue to workout.

For example, one week I didn’t lose my anticipated two pounds, I had gauged what was the cause. After 30 minutes or less of research I had found that the culprit had been 1.) Eating too much, 2.) And using a certain workout for longer than a month. I had adjusted accordingly, and within 10 days my weight loss regimen was back on track.

Wouldn't it be better to just take the posiitves from it and merge it with current game types?

That’s an excellent idea, in fact, that is the aim of the post. However, I did anticipate that there would be some rebuttals and I responded accordingly. With that being said, this is not an independent or stand alone method, meaning that it relies on the induction of a method to work properly- natural, mystery, NLP, whatever it maybe. This tool should be viewed no differently than other tools used in game, such as exercise, clothing, or words. Can a ping pong table assemble a screw driver? That's xZerox's logic unfortunately.

From what I have read AFC Daniel is no great seducer, he writes a good journal but that is it. Nothing against journals, i have wrote many FRs, had a journal, and documented my 'progress' in a note book as well. It was on a much more causal basis.

The essence of the grievance, is that the underlying frame, the assumptions you have about learning and pick up are wrong and will not help you.

Keeping a journal is a way of self-feedback. being in the neutral position gives you more opportunity to recognise mistakes. you don't analyze with emotions anymore at the moment, but more with basic 'outsiders view'. I agree with Taoslustrum. As long as you stay dedicated, you can change slowly.

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For one it's taken me nearly two years to come up with this, and I feel no shame in admitting that it took me years to reach a level where I was mature enough to deal with this subject. Two, I'm only 21 years old, so the years thing is quite irrelevant. I still have plenty of time left to learn.

And to be honest, I really don't know what you're talking about. I've moved onto positive behaviors, feel free to look at my journals. I'm on a positive path in my life, toward a road to success and fitness. I have a job, and I'm almost finished with my degree. For the first time in my life I have freedom and mobility. I can go where I want, when I want, and for me that was a pretty big jump. For awhile I was trapped in the house with no way to get around, and that was my biggest issue. Once that issue was fixed my life became set.

I've halted my progress in pick-up only because I am having questions about my sexuality and where women fit into this sexuality. I decided against mentioning it on the forums. But since this issue has come up, I have no quorums about admitting this now.

My being here for years should prove that I am indeed dedicated to my own self progress and I’m in it for the long haul. I understood that it would take me a long time to learn things that it would take others only a short time to learn, but I was dedicated to it, and knew that I would have to put some time and effort into it. I am at a vastly superior position now than I was two years ago, and have a lot more people skills.

The fact that you haven't addressed the tool and instead address my previous history which has no bearing on my present performance in life, shows that you don't have many objections to the tool at hand.

And it is "it's" not "its", thank you very much.

You dont understand what scientific means. Not that there is anything wrong with what you are doing but it isnt scientific.

In order for PUA to be scientific you need to control variables and doing that simply isnt worth the time.

For instance lets say you decide to become better with girls so you do A, B , C & D, after meeting 15 girls it turns out you have better results.
The problem is that you would have a really small sample size and that you are not controlling variables. For instance maybe D isnt good for your game and you achieved better results simply because A, B & C outweight the negative affect of D.

PUA doesnt have to be scientific, you just need common sense. If I start worrying more about my apperance and I start doing better then I dont really need to make sure I have an actual scientific sample size or to control variables ( maybe I do better because by being better looking I have more confidence).

I love the concept and the thought but one thing that must be taken into consideration is humans are a huge variable. You can do a thing to a woman and she won't be cool with it, but the guy she is attracted to may do the EXACT same thing and get a positive reaction.

You can use science for a lot of reasons, even designing a conceptual PUA system but you can not use any system very well when it comes to humans because there are far to many variables in this, emotion, context, time, etc.

Problem with science of behavior is for a lot of people it is hindsight is 20/20. We understand why after, and why something will work is key but you may not realize that your confidence in that behavior is why it works. It's not simply because you do that one thing and it works hundreds of times, it's your confident because it already has worked so many times.

It's key to keep track of your Progress but you shouldn't be bent on results or figuring EXACTLY what works. There is no exact formula to women. If you read a lot of SA's stuff and really any good ladies man, the goal isn't to have one routine that works every time. The goal is to have a variety of social tools, and the experience lets you know which social tool will be effective for this situation.

Most Naturals gain these instinctual behaviors and have no real clue when they are using them or why. They just know when to do something, when to escalate, etc.

Your goal should be to gain a set of tools and learn to know when to use them, by now all of us in the community know you can't get every girl by doing the same thing, you can get a larger percentage of the women you go after by gaining a bit of social tools and timing.

Does this mean that none of those systems work? No they do work but if you use those systems at the right time or in the right environment they really thrive, where as the other times it's really just getting lucky.

Good thought bro, I just don't see how it is a good idea to say this didn't work we must change it. Courtship is completely situational and thus requires you modifying your tools for the job. You don't want to dig a 6 foot hole with a shovel, at the same time if you are planting a little plant you don't want a backhoe.

Peace and Love

Vic

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I guess you've gotten me as well. We'll call it even for now.

There have been several key differences in my life now and my life when I started out. When I initially started, I was broke and couldn’t go anywhere. I had no money and no mobility. I couldn't move around or buy myself the things that I want. Now, I am able to buy things. Just last week I was able to take my little sister out to Panera Bread and not have to worry about the bill. This morning I was able to leave my house at 1AM and go get my parents some groceries they asked for. My life has drastically changed, and I am not in the same position now that I was in two years ago.

The dependent person that I once was has slowly faded away. My parents no longer hold me back or keep me trapped in the house. I can leave when I want, do what I want, and go where I want to go. It is because of this freedom that I have grown.

Am I an adversarial person by nature? Well yes, I love arguing, debating, and postulating, those are the most exhilarating of all activities, and the ones which develop the individual and allow a society to grow. But overall, I have grown the most in my life because I have learned how to set goals and obtain them. Though this method of journaling has been a recent invention, I have developed it slowly over the course of several years of mistakes as you yourself have previously mentioned.

To prove a point, starting September 6th, I will mark a new objective relevant to this website too demonstrate the effectiveness of this tool. I hope to cast your doubts aside.