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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:14 pm 
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...that is the question!

Okay, so anyone who has read one book or article on this has learned that you shouldn't "qualify" yourself. That part of being the AMOG you need to have this "I don't care what you think attitude." I believe that you don't have to put a resume out there of why you are so great, but attracting someone is kind of like selling.... why should they "buy" you? what makes you so special? This can be accomplished through dhv and social proof. But i have found that, in girl game particular, a girl who doesnt qualify sometimes comes off as a bitch. So even if she dhv's properly, not qualifying hurts her game.

Last night I was at a bar and I tried several different styles with different guys. With the guys that I didnt qualify at all to, I could sense that they got a "bitchy" vibe. I found that when I did a mixture of qualifying and not qualifying, he was more interested.

In girl game I know this for certain...I can try and control the frame all I want, but if I let the guy control the frame for a bit every now and then, it engages him more. It makes him feel like he has "won" me over for just a bit and then when I take back control of the frame he has to fight to get it back, thus pulling him in more. Push-pull is a common format I am sure you are all aware with though. But qualifying/not qualifying fits right into this. It is more acceptable for a guy not to qualify, but if a girl refuses to qualify, she comes off harsh. Just something I noticed.

I think in general, people are taking these guidlines and taking them as absolute truths. You don't have to follow them to a T every time. So turn my experiences into something for you guys to relate to...every girl is different and may require different game. Take some of this stuff with a grain of salt...it isn't a mathmatical equation that always works...it is like...cooking. You have ingredients and if you cook them under certain conditions it will turn out great. But some of the greatest food concoctions have come about due to not following the receipe.

There are many different theories and techniques and that is because different things work for different guys and girls. Learn everything, try what you can, and pick what works for you. Don't conform to a style that doesn't suit you just because someone tells you another way is better. The best method is the one that works for you.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:30 am 
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Nice post Bon! A good description of why different things work for different people in my opinion!

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I'm glad you posted this question, as I was pretty beat last night and I think I totally wandered off track and never actually gave you an answer, lol.

As Must pointed out, different things work on different people. I actually JUST posted a reply to a guy asking about a girl that negs weren't working on and I made a much wordier statement of basically the same thing. It might be worth a read to gain some perspective, as perhaps this isn't just a gender thing as you kinda sounded like you felt last night, but more a diversity issue. Here's the thread: here-vp157379.html#157379

Also, remember you are a girl and there are going to be differences. As men, we need the women to qualify to us, in order to let us know she gives a shit about us and isn't just talking to us for no reason. We discussed how utterly blind us men are to your subtle signals, so perhaps try being a little more overt by qualifying somewhat in order to get your point across. That being said, you don't want to be falling over yourself trying to show him that you like him, it's just as unnattractive as when a guy does it to you.

I think perhaps you've made a common mistake by taking something that you've read and accepted it as a rule. We've all done it; usually completely by accident, just because of the fact we took it from what we believed was a reliable source and we didn't question it enough before tucking it away in our heads. Question EVERYTHING you read. Question what I'm saying right now, cause if you're not, then you're gonna end up adopting unhelpful beliefs, or accept something a little more than you should; even when you DO question things, this still happens, so if you don't, then you're gonna be doing it constantly.

Even us guys qualify to women. Usually we show dissinterest first and get them to start qualifying to us first, but hell, often it's perfectly alright to be the first one to qualify; I mean the person doing the approach may need to demonstrate that they are a person worth talking to before the other person cares to listen. The belief should be not to qualify too much, not to never do it, cause if you don't, then the other person has no clue you're into them. This is what is known as an SOI, or a Statement of Intent, or conversely, the other person can view it as an IOI. Gotta remember to put yourself in their shoes and think how they're interpreting what you're doing, that way you can much more accurately portray your true intentions. As they say in Introducing NLP, "Meaning isn't what you intend, it's what the other person perceives."



*Edit: Somehow I totally failed to read the bolded parts of your post, unless you just did that, which I don't think is the case, so some of what I said is actually agreeing with what you've said there already. Again, I'm a little pre-occupied with everything I'm doing at the moment and didn't get a lot of sleep last night (glares at Bonita) and so I wasn't actually arguing with you, in case it appears that way.*

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:43 pm 
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Good post B, and I couldn't agree more Hobbit.

The concept of qualifying to her is to engage her. Also by qualifying to her you build a connection. If you don't qualify at some points she will think they she can't "talk" to you. She won't want to have a deep conversation with you because it will be one-sided. Remember guys, relationships are a 2 way streak; you do need to lead the interaction, but you need to be able to connect with a girl, and in order to do that you have to qualify to her at some point.


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