Hello all, I have been on this site now for a little over a month. I have to say, it's been a very positive experience. Image that! an entire community of guys dedicated to what I have always loved. " The art of pickup" It's truly fascinating. I am so happy to meet you all. I would like to thank all that have given me a warm welcome as well as those that have challenged me, it has all been very enlightening. I hold no hard feelings. I can completely understand why it is viable for this community to at least poke me with a stick, put me to the test. See if i am full of shit. Why wouldn't you? my numbers are ridiculous.


I had almost become hesitant to write. I always just wrote what ever came to my head, i wasn't aware that I would be put under a micro. But! that's totally cool. I may be the only one that is aware of my achievements, but thats all that matters. If I can get you to see the possibility, you may just do it yourself.( if that's your thing)

I will try to be thorough with my explanations from this point on. I just didn't really want to drag on. And have you all lose interest.
If you have read this post and disagree, please just accept it for what it is or isn't in someone's view. I am not here to battle ego's and wits. I feel as if I am suppose to be here, obligated! in a sense.

I am not here to lie. I am here to serve. Serve the very goddess that I have been loyal too since the very beginning of my player days. "Seduction" She is my master. I must follow.

That being said, I would like to now explain in detail how to successful manage and create a sex cycle. This is generally for the more experience pick up artist, but! not a requirement. Sure there is great tools you can obtain from studying, practicing and experience, but it general it comes down to what you are projecting onto your potential target.

What you project onto her is what will stick in her mind, words are merely a part of the conversation. There is a virtual conference going on within all your senses. Especially the unconscious. The most essential tool to this game is "CONFIDENCE" without it, you are " pardon my french ( lol) Up shit's creek without a paddle"

Confidence is a super power, the more you have, the stronger you are. With true confidence, all your other senses become irresistible. Every gesture you make, every smile. You are ravaging her sense, seducing her. And all your conscious mind has to do is manage to stick around for the ride. lol.

I think i made my point that its all about " " that's right you said it. lol.

If you are already capable of atleast getting the "digits" on a consistent basis. You're in the game.

The Cycle.

Ok first off I would like to established what is required. You need to be able to dedicate basically 2-4 hours each and every evening. depending on your cycle size. You don't have to do this for 10 years, but to get a flowing cycle, you must at least invest a few months to see it work.

The basic element behind this is running game 2-4 days a week(thurs-sat), and getting sex the other 2-3 days( sun-wed). The game doesn't have to be at the clubs, that was just my preferred method as I love to dance( dancing is a great tool to have in your belt) Clubs have a constant flow of women and are abundant. . But you can do it anywhere.

For explanation purposes, i will use the bar scene.

The thing about it is, It's virtually impossible to have one night stands consistently. That"s just not how the game works. Women generally will only have a few one night stands before they wise up. ( Men feel reward and achievement after a one night stand, women feel regret and feel used) Making it much more difficult to get a one-nighter( but the very fact that they had a couple one-nighters shows that they like sex).

With this in mind, I would seldomly try for the one night stand unless it presented itself to me. Most women in bars are with their friends, they make pacts to not leave without each other, they worry about what their friends will say or think( if they leave with a guy.) they tend to stick together when leaving. ( Even if a girl is a freak in the sheets, a sex machine! She is most likely to show it behind closed doors).

You simply and confidently work your game focusing on your next meeting. You must maintain sexual tension, but because you are pitching meeting up again ( showing interest in her) you don"t come across as much of a player and she begins to have a different perception of you. ( little does she know, hehe)

Show your interest in her, not her body.( that can come on the next meeting)By letting her know you are interested in her, and want to get to know her, it can help to lower her guard. What you want to do is set up the next encounter as you are working her, you want to make it private so, anything that isolates the two of you. My preference was inviting a girl over to watch a movie or just hang out.I would always try to sweeten the pot by boasting how good i was at cuddling or massage or offer to cook her something ( throughout the conversation) What I was doing was painting a comfortable picture, and my " interest" for more then just sex.

Here's where the effort comes in, You must continue to work, you are never not working.

You have to make the girl believe you want to date her or at least are interested enough to pursue her. Make the effort to contact her as soon as possible. Day chat is ideal,( keep painting the picture) as you may be going out again that night. Ideally, you want to set up a next meeting between sunday-weds night. Sundays seemed to be the best, but if you keep the invite within to 2-3 hrs mon-wed will work. ( if you have your own place, you can pull multiples on sunday)

Without getting into detail, I will assume you have some game and can get the job done. You are alone, she has interested. make your move an hour or two in.


The thing to remember is between the ages of 18-24 women are having sex! like crazy, if you are not banging her, someone else is. Lets call it this the "phuck phase" If you are around this age, you need to get out there, rock out with your cock out! lol This is prime time!

It becomes more of an art a little later in life, when women become wiser and not so easy to manipulated.

Here is where the cycle comes in, you want to be rotating women constantly, in and out. Someone that is doing this consistently and efficiently can successfully have 3-6 women on the go at one time. Women in general will put out within the second to third encounter. So even if you don"t get it on the second but you tried, if she is showing a lot of interest, it is best to keep her on the hook to cycle in another time.( as she knows sex is expected or wanted, if you hang out again, its almost guaranteed)

If you are getting digits and potential hook ups at least once a night out of the 3-4 days, you will have more then enough of an overflow to compensate for the girls that are hesitant to give up the goods. ( keep them on a back shelf)


Women will become much more emotionally involved after 3 sexual encounter, it's best to keep it at two max, so they dont completely hate you afterwards. After once or twice, you simply cut them lose. In the meantime you are already working on the next 2-3 girls, in fact! you are always working on the next ones.

It's a lot of work I am not gonna lie, but the more you do it, the more confidence you gain. The more confidence you have, the easier it gets.


At a young age( 18-24) its best to get out there and try, no matter what!. Even if you are not the best looking or best dressed, if you have the courage, you are in the game. You can't score any points if your not playing. Just remember, it's a "phuck phest" Be sexually aggressive, always be polite at first, even be a gentleman, but once you are engaging them, you can show your edge, become sexual but read the signs and go at their pace. remember, you are setting it up for the next encounter.

At this age, it's not complicated, all it takes courage and effort.

If you get a good flow going, you can easily have sex with 2-4 women a week. As you can always hook up for booty calls after your night of work at the clubs( along side your cycle) with any number of chicks you already have in your cycle or stock piled in your little black book.


Rules

Never get too drunk.
Never make drunken booty calls unless you have already hit it.
Keep your cycle participants away from each other, it is wise to have them spread throughout more then one city.
Never do all your work at one place.

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Seduce their mind and the rest will follow.

While this way may not be a bad way to get laid, depending on ones goals, it sure isn't the more efficient way either.

If ones goal is to simply fuck a lot of women, or to even create a "sex cycle" with some women, there is a far better, faster, and less time consuming way to do it. Don't get me wrong, SexAddicts911 method can work but even he admits that its a ton of work. I have other shit going on in my life and Im sure you (the reader) do to. Therefore, I like to fuck women with the least amount of effort possible. More on this in a moment.
I MAJORLY disagree with that statement. On any given night, in any city, a percentage of woman are going out to the night life scene who are either looking to get laid or who are very open to the idea of getting laid. This percentage isn't even all that small either. Its certainly a big enough percentage to allow yourself to have consistent same night lays. Of course, I agree that pretty much no one is going to get a SNL every night but it is possible, and even easy, to get them consistently when you know what your doing.

Now that we know that a certain percentage of women is able to be pulled for a SNL, the object becomes to find these women. The process of findind women whos down for a SNL is called screening

If your goal of the night is a SNL. look for the following women:

- Lone wolfs
- Women who are showing more skin than most other girls
- Chicks who don't look like they club a lot.
- The older chicks in the room. (A woman who is 27 in a room full of 19 year olds would count as the older woman)
- Women who just seem horny. (You learn to pick up on this)

Women who meets the above criteria are generally much eaiser to pull home the same night. After approaching one of these women you have to screen. Within the first few minutes you have to figure out logistic (how she got here, who shes here with, what time she has to be up, and what shes doing later). You don't want to turn it into interview mode but with a little practice you should be able to find this out in a few minutes wihile making the conversation seem natural.

The bold part of my last statement is extremely important. How she answers the "what are you doing later" question is a huge indicator if this girl is down to fuck that night.

"I dont know. Im up for anything"
"Going to an after party"
"Trying to find an after party"
"I dont know, what are you doing later"
"Just whatever I find to do"

You get the point. Any answer like those are VERY good answers.

Thats how you get consistent SNLs.

EDIT: Just a few other things i'd like to mention....

SexAddict911, your "method" take a lot of time. You admit that yourself. Would you agree that its certainly not efficient for most people besides you. Most people how other things going on in life and other goals they wish to accomplish.

Also, just out of curiosity, what percentage of the numbers you get in the club, turn into sex? A rough estimate is fine.

EDIT #2: You talk about manipulating woman and also making them believe you want more than just sex with them. Other than the obvious fact that its easier to fuck women using radical honestly than it is manipulation, I have to wonder... just how drama filled is your life?

Fucking multiple woman a week, everyone of them having been manipulated, and every one of them believing that you want more than just sex, I can image a great deal of drama occurring in your life every week.

When its just as easy to fuck women while being honest with them and owning your intentions, I wonder, why create all this unnecessary drama for yourself?

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I'm about to read all of ur post. I'm just waiting 4 my wing to pick me up any time. Huge fan just posting so i can find this easier next time. You have helped me b4 and i'm thankful and respectful 4 that, wish u only succsess with everything.

I really didn't have any drama. I wasn't telling these women I was falling in love with them. I was just painting a picture of not being a player. I am not sure where you are from, but where I live. The one nighters was not a common thing. I always went out trying for it, but it was not common for my style of game. There fore uncommon for ME. I never said it was impossible. But for most it will be. Besides, I always like the more wholesome type of girl. Sure there is the "lone wolf" in the room, the cougar sort to speak. You say my method is a lot of effort. But it really isn't. It may take some time, but as far as being efficient. It is very!. Women tend not to get upset after 1 or two encounters. They have not built up enough emotion for drama yet.

Are you telling me Warped, that you get laid every time you go out and try., cuz if you are. Then perhaps you can teach me. I know one night stands are possible, I have had quite a few in my life time. But they tend to come when they come and not on a regular basis. They are never consistent for me and usually have a lot of variables. And usually take way more of an effort( that night) then actually creating a cycle. I am not from a huge city. I live in a try city area, with each city averaging about 150-200 thousand people. I don't mean any dis respect, but I do know that American women are a lot easier then Canadian women. Just from my experience. SO perhaps there is a cultural difference ( but not a significant one)

If you are already hitting 2 or more girls a week, from same night pick up's then all the power to you. You are doing what most men dream of.

But I also think you are looking at this with a subjective and older mind. ( i suspect) I am not debating the one night stand. What I am merely suggesting is a system for getting laid a lot. I am sure there is a million methods. I am just showing what has worked for me.

Honesty is always the best policy, but again, I still find it hard to believe, one can get laid every time they set out to do it. It simply does not work like that for most men. ( no matter how good your game is) The ideal women you suggest, The one that is alone, showing more skin, the cougar. Woman that seem horny:

They are not as common as one might think and to be honest, are not the type of woman I like to pick up. I don't want a girl that is fucking every random guy she wants. To me that's just gross. If anyone is going to be a slut, it's gonna be me.

I often liked the ones that were not so easy, hence the cycle and the game.(( I am all about the challenge) I know it may appear that I was causing drama with these women, but I really wasn't. I may of miss lead about my intentions, but in general, when I would cut them lose after, it would be in an honest way. That's why I suggested not to do it more then 3x's with one woman as this can often lead to drama. There is something specific about that number for some reason that triggers a woman's emotions. ( It is wise to stay under 3).

This cycle that i speak of becomes very efficient as it progresses. I don't risk, going for the one night stand and dedicating my entire night on one woman. With this method you can pick up several girls in one night. Sure some of these girls may have put out that very night, but that's just it. I would be dedicating that "work night" on just the one girl. It leaves no room for error, or the dreaded " cocktease".


The percentage of these women that would have sex with me was extremely High. I would say easily 80% But creating the SPAM of not trying to get laid that very night, it often would end up in the woman letting down their guard.

By showing more interest then just getting down their pants, usually ends up with them letting down their pants.


Like I said before, I found women to be much more willing to give it up after another encounter.

I understand most people have a life, but some just want to go out and get laid, creating a cycle is a great way to have consistent sex. With a lot of women. Attractive women!

It just has to be a consistent effort. Here's the thing though, once you have a cycle going, it becomes very easy. Once you have an abundance of potential girls, you can slow down, you dont have to do the 3-4 nights a week of work. You only have to do that when your current pool of women are depleting. The more you become efficient in the cycle, the less work it will take.

Honesty can be a great thing, for pick up. But Are you suggesting that you tell these women that you are in fact a pick up artist and just want sex? And if so, what is your percentage of sealing the deal?

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Weren't you getting enough attention in the other thread you dedicated to yourself? I do not plan on posting here again, and I recommend others follow suit in both threads.

let me give you my take on this: wm is right on the snl situation, but in my experience is not efficient to look for those snl, because you will miss the other girls that you can game if you are only targeting snl, and they are not that common(% of the venue population snl low) and most guys looking for the same thing... Now i do club game lets say i meet a snl early in the night i will get so bored, and will miss the other opportunity of getting other girls.... So my experiences kind of matches sexaddict in this one, but i repeat wm is right on the snl prospects..... The best snl opportunity in my experience in order to be effective comes at the end of the night or not less than 1.30 hours before the club closes that would make it effective cause you already game the other girls and got the other numbers, the other way to get around this is to tell the girl that you will text her later on in the night to get together ...... About drama again with sexaddict on this one, my rule is not more than 3 times sexually with the girl after that they will get attach and hint they want something more, or start acting up,but sometimes if the girl was really hot and good i would have take the drama since it was worth it... and sometimes girls did not make it to the 3rd or even a second time if they were nasty, or attitude or they sucked in bed...

@ dj: dude you can benefit the most from this dude, and he try helping you before change your fucking attitude already is weak.

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In your original post you said yourself that its a lot of work. Now your contradicting yourself.
Your telling me that fucking a woman the same night is more effort than chatting her up, taking her number, and then doing all the text work necessary to get her to meet up with you and then possibly do multiple dates before you finally get your dick in her? To me, personally, it seems like much less work to fuck her that night.
Fair enough.
I'm hoping you see the rather silly double standard here. Besides, a woman being horny and going out does not mean she fucks every random guy she meets.

Care to elaborate on this? Is this the response to my question on what percentage of your numbers turn into sex? Because if so, 80% is bullshit.

Here again you seemingly contradict yourself. How can you slow down when women is always filtering themselves out for various reasons and you letting them ago after fucking them three times? Your going to be going through women quickly and thus have to keep going at it strong to keep the available number of women in your cycle up.

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Unless I am missing something as well I agree with SexAddict. I have tried SNL's many times with girls by themselves and maybe its my city or its my style, but i feel it all comes down to luck. I've pulled girls into bathrooms or gotten very frisky on the dancefloor in a club and a lot of the time either their pants won't come off or they go looking for their friends soon as I try and pull them out of the club.

Something I have realised though is depending on which club I go to will generally have different levels of sluttiness of girls and therefore a greater chance of getting an SNL.

EDIT: Maybe you are doing something different to me Warped. Once you've gotten physical in a club are there some things you say to create the mindset for them that its ok for them to have sex that night?

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Sexual framing, more specifically, "Behavior Shaping." This will probably make a noticeable improvement in your ability to get SNLs.

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I only read the OP's thread and wm's reply...here are my thoughts on this

Sexaddict-I have 2 problems with your method:

1)It takes shitton of time-as a college student(which I believe, is a fair part of this forum) I simply can't imagine spending that much time.
2)Lying about wanting to date them.-I prefer making clear that I'm not looking for a relationship-if I'm not.

Since you're in your late 30s-I'd expect girls' you're hitting on to be more experienced, and as a result playing along, without expecting commitment from you...again BSing about relationship just to get to woman's panties is not a good idea in college...


WM-regarding your method.

I see your method working, as long as the logistics are in place, for me personally, there are no clubs around I can go to, so SNLs are out of question-but yeah SNLs are best option just to score numbers.

I could be wrong, however I got the impression that SexAddict's method is fairly similar to my own. If that is the case, then when he talks about expressing things like "cooking them dinner", "giving great massages", etc; he isn't so much doing so as a way of "tricking them into thinking he wants a relationship", he is just doing exactly what he said and demonstrating that he isn't merely out to fuck them, he is a relaxed, enjoyable person that they will have a great time being around for as long as that is.

I say many of the same things to girls, however I don't have any rules about how long I'll be with them, other than that it will last as long as it is enjoyable for both of us - if they're no fun or shitty in bed, then I drop them like a bad habit!

If you have listened to/read anything by 90% of pickup coaches they say those things but are using them purely as ways to trick the girls into letting their guard down for a SNL. THAT is manipulative, lying and causes emotional damage to both people involved. Yeah, it causes a LOT of inner conflict and self-esteem damage, especially in the guys who continually boast about how confident and happy they are, which is usually merely a defense. This is precisely why many of the guys who have been in this community for a long time (especially guys at the top), have taken a "vacation" in order to re-evaluate what is truly important to themselves and come back with an enormous amount of wisdom and a sense of inner peace that can be felt in the way they talk and how they carry themselves.

* In regards to the time requirement; it takes a lot of "time" and "work" only as a matter of perspective. He mentioned that he spends about 2-4 hours a day 2-4 days a week focused on developing more of a dating pool, which can sound like a lot if you restrict yourself to the incredibly ineffective club scene. The club scene game mentality is exactly like many sales jobs that say, "It's all just a numbers game and if you interact with enough people you're guaranteed to succeed!" Great...if you want to spend all that time focused on running set, after set, after set, after set, after set, after set, just to score some same night pussy. I'll only hit the clubs if I've got some friends going and we're looking to dance, check out someone we know performing, or just to socialize - NEVER to simply try and get laid!

*** I'd urge you to spend 10-20 minutes doing a very simple exercise that will benefit you immensely in putting many things in your current life situation into perspective and helping you maximize your potential on many levels. This is will save you hours this week alone I am willing to bet, so it's a worthwhile trade-off!

- Take a sheet of paper and list each day of the past week and how much time you spent on each and every activity. For example: Monday: Sleep 6.5 hours, Breakfast 20min, Lunch 30min, Mandatory Classes 30 hours, etc.

- Do this on a spreadsheet, or in columns and put borders around each "unit". Next you are going to take out your different coloured highlighters...wait...you don't have highlighters?! What the FUCK?! Get at LEAST 3-5 different colours of highlighters; they only cost $2 for a pack of 5 at the dollar store and will change your life and increase your learning by 200-300%!

- Ok...so now that you've got your AWESOME highlighters, you use the different colours on things that you see that you know you can combine together. I'm sure it goes without saying exactly where this is heading, right! Makes sense, doesn't it?

Well, now that you've done that, I'm sure you can see how many things you can save time on, by combining together, such as listening to audiobooks of things you want to learn while you're driving/transiting/walking/shopping/etc, rather than while you're just sitting around and reading or listening to the exact same book. How about the things you can take care of while you're eating breakfast/lunch/dinner, instead of watching tv? How about developing your social skills while grocery shopping, buying a soda, gassing up or other things that bring you in contact with people for short interactions? How about building rapport with the cute girl who you always see at the grocery store and getting her phone number? How about using your skills to become "a Leader of Men/Women" by taking charge and organizing some study groups in your classes and using the time to develop those skills further and using that status to set up dates with those girls?

The only questions I have to ask you are; who LIED to you and told you that the club is the "best place" to get girls? Who LIED to you and tried to trick you into believing that you shouldn't be doing all of the above things, which are considered to be some of the most effective places and techniques to pick up girls for short or long term relationships, by some of the top coaches. Multi-tasking for the win boyos!

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^when looking for ONS.

This is what I meant when I talked about tricking women into thinking that you're gonna date them. If that's misunderstanding sorry-if not- then I expressed my opinion in previous reply.

the schedule thing is awesome, I've been thinking about doing smth like this for a while now...

as far as club game goes-its just personal experience.


I've found club game to be much easier for me. (may be cause I'm not bad at break dancing). People are more sexually open + a lot of hot girls and even girls you wouldn't normally consider hot, look hot in the dim light and short dresses.

@Warped.

I respect your words, you have always addressed me politely and with class even when you don't agree. For that I thank you.

It is quite obvious that you have game and experience. It shows in your description of observation as well as your words in regards to how to get the girl out of the bar. I Have also gotten to know you a little bit through this site, You seem like a very well rounded PUA. For this reason I do respect your opinions. For these very reasons, I would hope that out of anyone, you would be able to understand the process that I am speaking of. It is not for everyone, this I know. But I am hoping at the very least, that you understand this process and my rationale.


Here are my explanations to your questions.



Yes I was referring to that percentage. I will elaborate. My persona is that of a sexual man. I imply it in all my gestures, actions and words. It is my nature. However! I tend to try to focus on the pick up first. So even working the approach I will always keep it subtle but it's (sexuality) always there non the less Once mutual interest is established, I tend to ramp up my sexual aggression. I still maintain a polite and gentlemanly aura, but there will always be sexual undertones. She will dictate by her reactions just how ramped up it gets. Throughout the "inviting over" process i will always be showing some sort of sexuality.

That being said, If a woman decides she wants to come hang out with me. Sex or sexual contact, is implied, both subconsciously and Cognitively. In other words, she knows I am interested, she also knows I am sexual. If she has a an interest in me sex is usually implied. Thus creating a very high percentage. (I am great at foreplay and sexual escalation physically)
What I mean't by this is that it can be slowed down. I will explain.

Any reasonably skilled PUA will be able to easily secure 3 digits a night x's that by 3-4 nights a week = 9-12 numbers. Now if you are only having sex with 2-3 per week, that leaves quite a few extra potentials, now imagine if this is after a month or two. You would have more then enough to stop going out for at least a couple of weeks and still maintain a healthy cycle. ( not to mention any possible day game or surprise pick ups)

Now of course you are going to have girls that don't message you back, or are just too busy etc. But If you have been operating through the cycle efficiently, you have more then enough to compensate for the ones that got away.

I hope these explanations are suitable for you to better understand my thought process behind this.

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If you're as good as you claim to be, I really don't know how you can believe this. I've had two ONSs in a row before, my mate has had four in a row (granted they were all pretty minging but he has a fat fetish), and we aren't even good looking guys. I'm sure if we actually tried these figures would be higher. When I say in a row, I mean on consecutive nights out.

If you mean it's virtually impossible to have consecutive ONS with women that are very good looking then I'd agree with you - but if you're talking about the plain jane who is dolled up showing off an ok body, or a bag head with class tits, legs and arse then you can do this pretty much every time you go out if you try hard.

As a student, you can often tell which girls are wanting to fuck within a few minutes. If she's not what you're after, talk to another. Trebles bars only loosen their inhibitions even more.