She probably got frustrated with you. You pulled the same shit by not catalyzing attraction with calibrated kino and going in for the kiss at an appropriate time.
She may not want to seem clingy. However, because you've kind of f'ed around with her for the past 6 months, the kiss probably came off as incongruent and freaked her out. I say re-game her, properly accelerate kino and attraction so that any kissing/fooling around seems proper and congruent... and she'll think fondly about it after-the-fact and want it again.

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I have been trying to hook up with this HB9 for about 6 months now. She is the receptionist at my chiropracter. I pretty much got put in the LJBF zone while she had a bf, but she would send all sorts of flirty text messages. Music she like to fuck to, saying shes a size queen, and she even told me that she kinda liked me. All of this would go on while she had a bf. I would try and make a move, but she would say, but i have a bf. She will only communicate via text.

I did about the most AFC thing i could have. She called me crying one day saying she can't buy food, diapers (she has a kid). So i loaned her the money she needed at the time. Fast forward a few weeks later and she said she was no longer with her man. She text me after i went in to get an adjustment one day saying how hot i looked and asked if i wanted to hang out after the holidays. I said i would like that. After new years i tried to set somthing up for a friday night and she said it would be fun, but then blew me off.

On a Wednesday night I asked to see if she wanted to go to do something that weekend, and she said because she was working two jobs to pay me back she was going to be busy for the next couple months. The following Monday I got another adjustment, asked her how her weekend was. She told me she went out with one of her friends, got drunk friday and did the same thing saturday. She ended up setting up her friend with the bartender and complained how she can't do the same for herself. I just sat there thinking wtf?.

The chick has alot on her plate, kid, 2 jobs ex's driving her nuts. Is she just cat-stringing me? Or using me to get the male attention?

She text me today saying she will pay me back Friday. I said cool and was kinda short with her and asked to cancel my next appointment cause i dont really need it. I have had one-itus about this girl in the past, I still like her, but not like i once did. Im more annoyed about this situation than anything else.

Sorry for the long ass post, but im fucking baffled, but any insight would really help.

zip did i tell you how awsome you can be sometimes thanks for clearing up things hun.. how old were you again!? 21 i believe and yet again your way more mature then i tought for your age darling. Thatsa plus in my book anyday! Thumbs up

I'm younger than most of the people on here think I am. That's all I will say.

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Dear Zip,

1) If it turns out I've been asking for romantic advice from a minor, I'm gonna ask the guys at the MMA gym to beat me up extra hard tonight.

2) The more I understand the female psyche, the more I am...disturbed by how contrary to popular belief it is. Turns out, girls aren't angels at all.

3) You should write another theorem, maybe something about power dynamics between man and woman.

4) None of these were questions, were they?

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Dude, she is using you. She's using your money, your attention, and wasting your time. She's not going to change. Get your money back, be cordial, but drop her. IMMEDIATELY. This is nothing but trouble. She either has magic pussy syndrome (credit Joseph W. South) or has gold-digger tendencies.

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Yeah, guys, I'm actually 12. Sorry

No, there were a few rumors running around that I was in my late twenties. Incorrect. I'm in my early twenties.
Girls aren't angels and guys aren't evil. We're all human beings, and we run the gamut of human experience.
Maybe I will... I'll do a bit of research.
I still answered them.

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Hey Zip,

do you personally believe in second chances?

and from your experience in the game...
once a cheater always a cheater?

cheers

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Thanks. Made me all warm and fuzzy inside. Near the kidneys. Where I landed on after getting thrown over this guy's shoulder.

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I believe in reasonable second chances, but I understand that the best indicator of future behavior is past behavior.
For the most part, yes. Old habits die hard. However, I also believe the true of heart can absolutely change.

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Thanks for the input. I needed the outside perspective. This was pretty much my plan.

i know how old you are lol... but i wont say it hehe. btw what you said worked like a charm. she started qualifying herself, apoligizing and alittle dhving by saying she is busy and doesnt get the chance sometimes and when she does she forgets to right back lol. so i dhed myself and took it from there. So we'll see what happens.

OMG ZIP I WOULD SO GIVE YOU A BIG KISS ON THE CHEEK, YOU EARNED IT DARLING, BUT TOO BAD YOUR NOT IN CA

zip i need help Darling..

This goes back to about 3-4 weeks ago. There waas this girl that i kept talking to but she woundt answer so one day i did a little pua rutine and i number closed her. I texted her a day or so later. She asked me who i was even tough i had givien her my number after she gave me hers. But before i game her mine i said something like" i dont usualy do this but her you can have my number too! but your not a stalker now are you?"

She didnt answer me on that! I didnt care and moved on. So we cheet chat a little by texting and i went on my way. After that day when i messeged her online she wouldnt answer! I never cared to ask why she didnt so i tried later a few days later and still no answer! So one day i called her on a weekend to invite her to a club that i was helping my friend to permote! First time she picked up but i guess there wasnt a good connection becuase she couldnt hear me! So i waited 5 mins and i called her back and she didnt pick up this time so i left a brief messeges explaing the club promothing!
She called back after 10min or so! So we talked alittle and i told her about it but she was already on he way out with a few friends! I said cool! i didnt sound needy or anything.I was calms and talked smooth.
One funny thing. She asked me what i was doing so i trew a little joke+dhv saying im leaving to mars and shit litke that and she was like huh!! i was like wow how dumb is she loll
Here is the problem she hasnt answered a few of my texts or messeges. Keep in mind i freeze her out 3-4 days before i messege or text. usualy freezing a girl out and then starting over it works!

Any tips on how to go by this one? I dont want to ask hey why your not answering me blah blah thats afc! So what do you recomment specialist?

"She may not want to seem clingy. However, because you've kind of f'ed around with her for the past 6 months, the kiss probably came off as incongruent and freaked her out. I say re-game her, properly accelerate kino and attraction so that any kissing/fooling around seems proper and congruent... and she'll think fondly about it after-the-fact and want it again."

Well we were grinding for a large part of the night, I was touching her lower back introducing her to guys and girls at the party, my arm around her, I even anchored her with my hat for about 1 hour while I spoke to other girls and even got numbers. It was a complete re-game after these two days of active disinterest. I'm pretty sure that was proper kino acceleration? Unless you got anything else for me?

I was push-pulling her the entire night until she just wouldn't leave me alone. I even used the, "You know why you and I would never be able to be together," to which she responded along the lines of, "Really, I think we get along really well." Anyways, I phase shifted to initiate some comfort to get a k-close soon (which I did the next day).

So, it turns out I got some inside information from my roomate yesterday (a week later), he saw her in the cafeteria, and pretty much asked her what the deal was with us two. She said, "Well I just want to be friends with him." The problem is this girl showed so much interest that what she's saying is completely incongruent.

I built attraction and comfort nearly perfectly, or so I thought. In any case, with my inside information, I texted her saying, so this is the awkwardness I was trying to avoid of you ignoring me, I just wanted to meet up with you in person so I could tell you face to face that we should just be friends (put her in my friends zone, stole the frame?).

I just want to know if I did anything wrong, or could have done anything different? This is a learning process, and I thought my game was on point here. If I messed up this time, I placed her in my friend zone before she could tell me, so I might be able to re-game in a few months.

UPDATE: I forgot to mention on the car ride back, before I k-closed her we were talking about the difference between passionate sex and "fucking", she was talking about my penis and how people at the party were talking about it (I left it a mystery as to not brag about it, so I stacked a DHV story and moved on)....SO CONFUSED RIGHT NOW!?

hi zip, first off i want to say that i think a large portion of the good advice in this forum comes from you, so thank you for that
my question is relating to my (lack of) calibration; ie both offending girls with inappropriate jokes and waiting until shes practically on top of me before taking notice
I met this girl last year (we had a class together first term but I didn't see her after that)
I've run into her a few times recently, each time with her boyfriend (who just stands there being oblivious)
she always starts a conversation and we'll chat for a few minutes, and i sense that she is/would be interested, but the boyfriend is an obstacle
how can I proceed?