I have to admit, when I read this Anti-Manifesto, a smile appeared on my face and I was like "Another guru that seems to force new ideas just to be sure that it's something fresh and not comparable to anything that was before". The fact is, when I read some other books, the ideas within made me think or smile a little bit, but when I read 60's books only two words came out of my mouth:

HOLY SHIT!!

This thing is the best one if it comes to inner game - that's for sure. All these mindsets "NO is where you start from", "Women love cock" etc. are pure perfection! Plus the solution to every single shit test.

If it works in field - I'll see this weekend, it's time to test it. Even if not, all these facts he wrote about will surely affect my game.

I have just finished the 3rd part and will definitely test these ideas.

Although I have to say that I wouldn't recommend it for newbies. All these nerds will hear that this is the most awesome book about pickup, read it, go in-field and then screw it up because they are not confident about it. They are skeptical. So who they will blame? 60 and pickup community. End of pickup story. For me, I would rather convince them to learn other methods, gain confidence, ensure that it can work and then go to 60yoc.

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I just listened to it sounds great!

Its pretty genius combined with:

some of gamblers stealth testing+shock and awe fool mate game to make SOI;s

and then when using Sinn's Sexual Framing and escalation ladders.

I love the combination of these methods together

60 says himself not to take night club game seriously and makes mention that womens defenses are high and rejection is high. But all his material aimed at picking up women in the club the worst place to meet women Then he also says it’s a numbers game… 60 doesn’t really lay down ground work for dealing with the all verbal objections your gonna potentially get from women he says you should be able to just laugh it off or remain silent…its not that easy…..If 60 was the 1st and only pua book a newbie was given he’d have a hard time dealing with all the rejection 60’s methods don’t really stand alone.

With that said his game style is more physical direct not really verbal direct. Physical directness is too situational it relies on the girls being completely attracted to you and down for all that touching in the bar/club. Its for the girls who are DTF that same night and not every girl is. You can be verbally direct with everyone but not physically direct with everyone.

I’m not with 60 on “risk creeping her out” by holding her hand too long(till she pulls away due to awkwardness), being too touchy trying to look seductive to the point where she backs off. He’s not even doing this when she’s isolated he does this right off the jump. Try running physical confirmation game creeping the girl out and she rejects you, any women who sees that rejection happen and you approach her is going to be turned off. This makes playing the numbers game really hard if you just turned off 5 or 6 other potential girls who saw you. A girl can be into you and not be down with all the physical aggressiveness at the club you need to chill out a bit before you blow it by creeping her out.


One thing I do like about 60 is what he said about “micro avoidance.” Because you do need to take action.


I like what he says about how to blow out a guy who trying to steal your girl. By completely ignoring the guy and looking at your girl. I also like what he says about not let girls off the hook when they reject your requesting by remaining silent and making her feel guilty.

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Let me just say, I bought the product a week ago and got laid the first night I used it. I'm an extremely social guy anyway and with the techniques explained in the book it all just felt so natural to me. The girl I hooked up with was a model, very clique I know but still. I opened her early on and basically just got up in her face and brought the sexual tension to ridiculous levels. She wasn't drinking but got shy even though I could tell she was a very confident girl. I swear I only must of said about 6 words in the whole interaction but it was definitely on.

With my new found powers I left her and bounced around all night from girl to girl and I could see out the corner of my eye that this girl was always watching me. I used the techniques I learned from 60's system and dirty danced with a girl who was massively my type, petite and slightly geeky looking. Took her to the side of the room and if logistic were right could of fucked her there. She was massively into it. The bar finally closed and must of had like 10 numbers. Later on when I had smashed the model from behind she told me I had quite a name from myself in the bar. The model girl came and opened me while I was on my own for like 2 seconds outside. She started talking about an after party, I said I had work and she ended up dropping me home. The rest they say is history.

60's stuff works if you have the balls to carry it out!

hey onato, I'm a very social person and the question I have is.

40 describes the first few moments as screening?

So basically just asking the girls questions and questions.

with your lay report. can you explain how the interaction went?

because the methods looks great, just hod do you get to the hook point without contributing anything to the conversation?

~ The same moves that get you quick same night seductions are the same moves that will occasionally get you called creepy (key word occasionally)

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In the first 30 seconds after meeting a new woman - when there is that first pause in the conversation - have you ever held seductive "face contact", quickly snuggled up close and then put out your hand for her to grab. And when she grabbed your hand you held on and didn't pull away, so she didn't either. It was ON just like that!

Later back at your place she told you she has never had anyone look at her like that. And when you grabbed her hand she just knew you guys had a connection. She mentioned that they way it all went down...it was so sexy. Like a movie.

Yes, sometimes you are only making attraction that was already there official (aka she liked you already - but still, you might as well make it ON fast and not clown around in these situations) and sometimes the boldness of these moves creates attraction and yeah, sometimes it's a quick blowout

So why doesn't the average guy do this?

Because sometimes you will do the exact same things I just mentioned and a girl will imply that it's creepy (maybe with a facial expression or by moving away) - still nothing is verbalized so it's really no biggie. Now I don't have time to go over what girls ACTUALLY mean by the term creepy -

as in the girl who goes to Cancun and her orbiter guy friends ask her "so how was the trip?" And she says - ew, the guys there were so creepy and aggressive. Only to find out later she fucked said (so called) creepy guys.Oops!

So just to clarify I don't advocate being creepy, only to RISK the fact that a girl might imply that you are at some point. Sometimes it's a test, sometimes she doesn't like you, and that's cool. This style of game ASSUMES that you are not creepy for real. Ask a friend if you are unsure.

IMO, guys only act overly social because they are scared of creepy. They silence their seductive side. The seductive side is important. There is this myth that you need good looks, long hair and chiseled features to act seductive. The truth is you can be fat and short and be seductive. That's because sexual tension is an "energy" not a certain physical feature.

Anyway if you NEVER hold seductive face contact, quickly get close and hold onto a girls hand you will never be called CREEPY. Congratulations. But you just might not get as many quick seductions as you could. That is what I mean by risk creepy.

We get so much practice being social - and along the way coaches advocate calibration and pushing through the blowouts. Well, it's no different with being seductive. YOU NEED PRACTICE. If you are coming off creepy with your EC and proximity you need to work on that. But you won't ever improve if you never practice because you are scared of being called creepy.


The community has tons of social experience. Now we need more seductive practice. It's a deadly combination....But of course you still use your social skills to start and facilitate conversations when needed.

too may people read stuff and take it to the extreme -60 said to never talk, 60 says to creep girls out, - come on guys, there is no 1 method ... use what works for you and discard the rest, if something works better for you, use that ... I can only convey what has worked for me in the past - if it works for you cool




take care,
sixty


ps: 9 out of 10 times creepy just means she doesn't like you, not that you are actually creepy

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ok sixty i'm going to try out your product. I'm glad that you don't say your style works everytime? Also I agree that the community focuses mainly on improving your social skills and needs to step up seduction. I learned quick escalation from manwhore! What do you think about guys that are way below in social skills, like consider dorky and loser, can they apply your techniques? because thats how i was when i first started. i would of stuttered like crazy talking to just an average girl in a direct sexual way. I was scared to death in bars, clubs, and even ackward in normal social enviorments like school. I started out very inderect asking girls for directions which took a couple months to get passed that fear. So should guys have a base in confidence and social awareness first before they use your stuff?

Awkwardness is OK, as long as you, the man, can remain seemingly unaffected by it?

If you dont feel awkward during the silence, most of the time she wont either.

She feels what you feel.

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I listened to the audio. Didn start the book yet. He says your have to caress her hand? what does he mean by caressing the hand while listening? He shows it in the seminar that i heard but its audio so I cant watch what he is doing.

IME (creating a new acronymn: IME, In My Experience), that's not necessarily the case.

I think what he means by caressing hands is holding hands. like interlocking.

Im a very social person and I was get Alot of IOI's from this girl. I consciously thought about using 60's method in the middle of the pickup. I hadn't reached the "IOM" moment which is the hand caressing. But i had done everything else. had movement, arm around and held hands for a short while but not interlocked. I didn't know how to initiate it.


I am an college student so during weekdays im not big on trying same night lays. I for most of the time want to use this for Kissing.

I guess thats my question. like if a girl holds/caresses your hand like right off the bat in a few minutes at that point can you kiss her?? by getting close, looking at her in her eyes and talking slowly??

I was under the impression that caressing = holding + massaging her hand.

learn English lol

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe ... d=0CBIQkAE

I've read bits and pieces of Relationship Roulette & Women Ignition (both by 60 years of challenge) and the one example that kind of confuses me is

"Put her hand on your d**k and tell her 'See! You did this!' ". Now I know that he says not everything is supposed to work in your favor and even if she does call you creepy it's not that big a deal, but how is this move supposed to act in my favor at all unless the babe herself is way too desperate or looking for an overly balsy guy which is probably a rarity?

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