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Buddy you need to examine yourself.

I have give you a nuanced view on confidence. When will you take notes?

I have given you a nuanced view on caring about what people think.

Confidence does not just come from yourself alone. You have ideals. I am real.
I am working with reality. I'm giving you truth. Objective truth.

If you don't believe me. Go make friends with a bunch of assholes that put you down all day every day and see how much confidence you have.



and I read your article and the first thing a child notices is "I am cold. Please put me back in the warm wet vajj."


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This is how you know confidence is just a good feeling. Does a cave man think I am confident or that I am sure of myself? Does ancient man think I can do this or I can't do this?

No. He could not articulate his thoughts like that. He just felt good about doing something and did it. It was all instinct...


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Couldn't get your point across in three posts? Do you really need an answer that bad? Do you really need attention this much? Does you winning this argument mean that much to you?

How about this: YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING. You know about the definition of ego more that Dictionary.com. You know more about the subconscious than me.

Does that make you feel better? There you go. I don't care enough about this to maintain an argument that won't be settled.

Honestly I've wasted hours trying to teach you, but you aren't ready. You simply aren't humble enough, intelligent enough, or educated enough to be in this conversation. It's cool man, I was you once and I had to learn a ton. Those who have made it to what I refer to are far beyond what you understand, how could you?

What I'm talking about is beyond you. It is something that can be described but not defined, just like all the greatest things.

There literally is no reason to continue this conversation. NONE, why? So I can explain it to you and then you make up some stupid shit and think you had a light bulb moment? I'm truly disappointed that I couldn't explain it to you, it's sad that you go through life from your perspective, that you are above everyone and right.



Let me point something out that should helps you understand our and compare ourselves based on the value we bring to the community, Since you would like to go based off of others' perception I'll give you something:


I have 36 positive votes and 1 negative. This is based on the information I've provided to this community. (About 1200 posts)

You have 4 positive votes and 6 negatives. This is based on the info you've provided. (about 780 posts).

People asked me to start a blog, do videos, start a website, and join a website to coach.

People scold your ideas, they constantly argue with you, but yet everyone else is wrong.

I have two threads on this forum that combine for 120k views.

I have 5 years here, you have 5 months here. How's that for experience?

You don't have one that got 10k, where you provided legitimate info.

I have had my articles posted on multiple websites.

I've had posts put on different websites and now I just realized I've been quoted in to a stickie on INNER GAME.

I've had my videos posted on multiple websites.

Someone published 2 of my articles to a book.

I have a website with nearly 80k hits (will be by the end of the day).

I have 40k hits to my videos.

I get asked questions with regularity about what to do with women.

I get complimented on my content consistently.

When I go out women ask for my number.

I was dancing the other night and 4 waitresses danced up to me.

Do you see where I'm coming from? I'm coming from some place you haven't been yet "son". Would you like to measure your value compared to mine now? Is this how you want to compare to me? How people feel about me? Trust me "son", you have nothing compared to me. Is this what you wanted? You wanted me to dwarf you and compare our "values" based on others' perception of us right?

Hopefully you realized something right here. You consider yourself high value and your opinion of yourself is high value yet, NO ONE else seems to agree. You still feel you are high value? WHY? You obviously aren't based off of everyone's perception of you. In fact based on everyone's perception of you you should have no confidence in yourself. Yet you have confidence how? Why? You obviously don't deserve it from your thoughts on confidence.


Honestly I don't give a fuck about all of that shit. I don't consider myself better than you or smarter than you, I just feel you are misinformed and ignorant of something you have yet to experience. I was hoping to prove a point, hope you got it.



Enjoy and good luck in all your future endeavors. This is my last response to you on this thread. I truly wish you the best as I think you are smart guy with some good concepts, you just need to open your mind to MORE concepts.

Peace and Love,

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You can't have confidence without an ego. Its impossible. If you destroy your ego you destroy your confidence. I'm trying to help people. I 'm trying to stop you ruining lives! This is urgent! This is urgent! This is urgent! I got to be desperate to be right; I got to be. You going to ruin someone's life. Failure your can ruin your self-image. Killing the ego will ruin someone's self-image, RUIN!!! RUIN!!!

More people like you? You going to run for prom queen? lmao

Its like this. New and cutting edge ideas are not popular. You mentioned edison, edison was doubted, the wright brothers were doubted, Einstein was doubted. People hate me because of their own ignorance. I got esoteric knowledge. I got cult leader status. "Genius is to be Misunderstood." (Ralph Waldo Emerson). Boy, I'ma a legend!

I have had dimes tell me I'm perfect. The most beautiful girl everyone knew told "I'm perfect." Perfect! I had a model barking like a dog. I told this model, this dime to bark like a dog and she did it for me. She begged for me and cried when I broke up with her. I go to dinner and girls pay for me. Do you here me? I go to dinner and girls pay for me! Girls drive me home. Girls buy me drinks. The sexiest women in the club that everyone is hollering at buy me drinks. Me. No one else. I've had guys come up to me while at the club and compliment me on the girl that I just pulled. Man I have had women tell me "I really like you" and after they gave me their number said call me right now so I can make sure I get you number. "I really like you." I got women calling me right now, sad...going to through withdrawal because they ain't got me. I'm they drug. I'm they drug. I'm human crack in the flesh, women can't live without. I go to the club tell guys what girl Im going to pull then I go pull her. I got girls taking "money shots" for me on the bathroom floor with no shame. I've had dimes crying over me. I had girls fixing they make up just for the chance to get with me. I'm a mack! I have had girls beg me to come to their room just to suck my dick! I've had girls with boyfriends all over me, begging to hook up!! I got dimes contacting me on facebook just to get my number and to take me out. I pull girls that guys are scared to talk to. I pull girls that guys dream of. Boy Im the shit! I give girls my number. i get numbers and dont even plan to call. I am the greatest Pua of ALL TIME!!!!! YOU WILL NEVER EVER! EVER EVER! EVER EVER! GET ON MY LEVEL!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQNDCx_6sk4

That's what I accomplished. Sex god.

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Backing a large boat into a slip where the wind/current is pushing you away from the dock can be tricky if you don't have a bow thruster; Even if you have everything lined up, the bow is going to get pushed away from the dock. Now . . . because everybody knows that the bow is going to get pushed away, the "intuitively correct" maneuver is to keep the bow as tight to the dock as possible; unfortunately, docking the boat this way will actually help the bow (and the whole boat) get pushed away from the dock even more.

Why? By trying to keep the bow close to the dock, the stern of the boat actually begins to angle away from the dock. So in essence, your props are pulling the entire boat away from the dock. The correct maneuver in this instance is to actually point the bow away a bit while backing down. (Exactly the opposite of what newbies might intuitively do) The idea is to allow the props to "pull" the boat and the bow back and in towards the dock.

Sometimes, in order to learn correct protocols, one can't rely on instinct. You'd have to force yourself to do what 'feels wrong' in controlled situations simply because logically, you know it's right.

For most, correcting behavior during social interaction will be a challenge. Like docking a boat in the wind, hazards are too close. Everything happens very quickly and we tend to fall back to habits. However . . . correcting habits while communicating with the written language is incredibly easy to do. Just read what you wrote. . . .revise . . .or simply erase. You don't have to send the submit button simply because you "feel" it's right. Because often times, what you wrote will have the opposite effect of what you desired.

^This is important to learn here and now. If you cannot do this with written language, there is no way in hell you'll figure it out with spoken language.


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You are one weird dude I must say...You dis-respected vic even though he maintained his cool while talking to you..I woulden't.

You talk like a retard and I gave you -3.5 vote 'cause of that.

I hope you'll understand what's wrong with your mentality.Soon.

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You are one weird dude I must say...You dis-respected vic even though he maintained his cool while talking to you..I woulden't.

You talk like a retard and I gave you -3.5 vote 'cause of that.

I hope you'll understand what's wrong with your mentality.Soon.
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i didn't disrespect anyone...


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You are one weird dude I must say...You dis-respected vic even though he maintained his cool while talking to you..I woulden't.

You talk like a retard and I gave you -3.5 vote 'cause of that.

I hope you'll understand what's wrong with your mentality.Soon.
Thank you for your respect CaliForniCatioN.

You know the disappointing part and what actually does sadden me is that he never actually learned anything I was attempting to teach him. He lectured me and what not, even talked condescendingly to me, yet after it all nothing was learned. I tried to teach him by explaining, examples, definitions, articles (not my article), and even illustrating the behavior, couldn't quite teach him.
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You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
At the end I pointed out how he needed to be right and how it had nothing to do with the conversation. He wasn't thinking he could possibly ever be wrong, how is this a good mindset to have in a discussion? His need for attention by 3 straight posts to get my attention illustrates a lot of the I attitude I've been referring to. Any time a girl texts 3 times straight we all know it shows insecurities, a lack of self-confidence, and neediness (a need for attention), funny that he didn't understand his own "needy" behavior based on my description and thoughts of the (spiritual) ego that I was describing in this very thread.

Tried to show him his own behavior at the end of our conversation, I was attempting to point out the conceptual (spiritual) ego. How when you are sitting there using all these "I" statements and qualifying for everyone around it really looks bad, you are constantly trying to look good for everyone else rather than feel good for who you are and what you have accomplished. "I have this", "I am that", "I've done this", and "I've done that" talk reflects poorly on people, showed him how stupid it looks, he even made fun of my qualifying behaviors (prom queen?) and even worse attempted to "one-up" me rather than realize I was showing how the (spiritual) ego works and looks. He actually completely and utterly missed the point, I feel I looked ridiculously stupid writing up all that stupid shit. LOL- Look at it, looks horrible.

Rather than just valuing yourself, you value others perception of yourself, hardly a way to build actual SELF-confidence. Self-Confidence means you go up to a set of girls get and get rejected and it doesn't effect your frame or how you feel about yourself. Where as when you don't actually have "self"-confidence but "situational" confidence it is easily swayed by outside influences such as rejection, people's opinion of yourself is more important than your own opinion of yourself. Your belief in yourself (he would refer to this as the subconscious) is more essential than how you "think"(the conscious).

Hopefully with this message to you he understands what I'm saying, how poorly the behavior looks, and how you caring about what people think of you more than your opinion of yourself is very unhealthy for your SELF-confidence. I unfortunately doubt that he will understand it even after this lengthy explanation of my last couple of actions -I made myself look REALLY bad to show him how bad this behavior looks- in a last inch effort to teach him a lesson on how it doesn't represent "high-value" when you talk about your "high-value", in fact it shows low value with its qualifying intentions.

It has been an interesting conversation, I've never covered the same points in so many different ways and not got my point across. I am honestly more upset that I couldn't teach him and help him than his disrespect toward me, his respect for me means nothing to me, honestly do you care to gain the respect of this guy? Why would you want it? How could you want it?

Peace and Love,

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Thank you for your respect CaliForniCatioN.
With plesure..It is well deserved man.
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You know the disappointing part and what actually does sadden me is that he never actually learned anything I was attempting to teach him.
Yep,noticed that too!
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I've never covered the same points in so many different ways and not got my point across. I am honestly more upset that I couldn't teach him and help him
Hahaha..I would've been too,I actually know a guy like that-It's not worth it

Vic,it's guys like you that makes this community possible and honestly,people like you are the reason I'm on this Forum..Jus' sayin' 8)

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Thank you for your respect CaliForniCatioN.
With plesure..It is well deserved man.
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You know the disappointing part and what actually does sadden me is that he never actually learned anything I was attempting to teach him.
Yep,noticed that too!
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I've never covered the same points in so many different ways and not got my point across. I am honestly more upset that I couldn't teach him and help him
Hahaha..I would've been too,I actually know a guy like that-It's not worth it

Vic,it's guys like you that makes this community possible and honestly,people like you are the reason I'm on this Forum..Jus' sayin' 8)
lol, really??? this is making me sick.

It sounds like y'all date or something its getting too friendly, lol

Some body get you some pom poms, because you are the head cheerleader. lmao


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I have recieved an infinite number of insults in this post. I was gonna quote them all, but when i started counting them I was like shit....I gotta actually go out tonight.

I keep getting insulted and doubted and yet i still believe in what I'm saying. I kepp getting insulted and doubted and yet i still believe in what I'm saying. And I'm insecure? I'm insecure??? Come on dawg, get real.


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You are one weird dude I must say...You dis-respected vic even though he maintained his cool while talking to you..I woulden't.

You talk like a retard and I gave you -3.5 vote 'cause of that.

I hope you'll understand what's wrong with your mentality.Soon.
Thank you for your respect CaliForniCatioN.

You know the disappointing part and what actually does sadden me is that he never actually learned anything I was attempting to teach him. He lectured me and what not, even talked condescendingly to me, yet after it all nothing was learned. I tried to teach him by explaining, examples, definitions, articles (not my article), and even illustrating the behavior, couldn't quite teach him.
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You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
At the end I pointed out how he needed to be right and how it had nothing to do with the conversation. He wasn't thinking he could possibly ever be wrong, how is this a good mindset to have in a discussion? His need for attention by 3 straight posts to get my attention illustrates a lot of the I attitude I've been referring to. Any time a girl texts 3 times straight we all know it shows insecurities, a lack of self-confidence, and neediness (a need for attention), funny that he didn't understand his own "needy" behavior based on my description and thoughts of the (spiritual) ego that I was describing in this very thread.

Tried to show him his own behavior at the end of our conversation, I was attempting to point out the conceptual (spiritual) ego. How when you are sitting there using all these "I" statements and qualifying for everyone around it really looks bad, you are constantly trying to look good for everyone else rather than feel good for who you are and what you have accomplished. "I have this", "I am that", "I've done this", and "I've done that" talk reflects poorly on people, showed him how stupid it looks, he even made fun of my qualifying behaviors (prom queen?) and even worse attempted to "one-up" me rather than realize I was showing how the (spiritual) ego works and looks. He actually completely and utterly missed the point, I feel I looked ridiculously stupid writing up all that stupid shit. LOL- Look at it, looks horrible.

Rather than just valuing yourself, you value others perception of yourself, hardly a way to build actual SELF-confidence. Self-Confidence means you go up to a set of girls get and get rejected and it doesn't effect your frame or how you feel about yourself. Where as when you don't actually have "self"-confidence but "situational" confidence it is easily swayed by outside influences such as rejection, people's opinion of yourself is more important than your own opinion of yourself. Your belief in yourself (he would refer to this as the subconscious) is more essential than how you "think"(the conscious).

Hopefully with this message to you he understands what I'm saying, how poorly the behavior looks, and how you caring about what people think of you more than your opinion of yourself is very unhealthy for your SELF-confidence. I unfortunately doubt that he will understand it even after this lengthy explanation of my last couple of actions -I made myself look REALLY bad to show him how bad this behavior looks- in a last inch effort to teach him a lesson on how it doesn't represent "high-value" when you talk about your "high-value", in fact it shows low value with its qualifying intentions.

It has been an interesting conversation, I've never covered the same points in so many different ways and not got my point across. I am honestly more upset that I couldn't teach him and help him than his disrespect toward me, his respect for me means nothing to me, honestly do you care to gain the respect of this guy? Why would you want it? How could you want it?

Peace and Love,

Vic

Your ego is your self-image, its how you think of yourself. Confidence comes from how you think of yourself. Confidence comes from your ego.

Your ego is the most valuable thing you have since the state of your ego determines your confidence. Without confidence you can't stand up for yourself, you can't think for yourself, you avoid challenges, you don't work hard, you can't handle stress, you give up easily. Without an ego you are nothing.

I need to be right. You are right I need to be right. Not because I need your approval, but because this is a very important topic. You go around killing people's egos and that needs to stop because that ruins lives. You are ruining lives.

I never said let your Self-image be defined or limited by what other people think of you. It's your self-image. Its what YOU think of yourself. All I am saying is people should be mindful of how others and things other than your conscious mind AFFECT your self-image. If you can't admit you are influenced by the opinions of other people and your experiences then you are arrogant and blind. This is actualy a very humble point here.

There is the subconscious and the conscious mind. What you must understand is that all these things people say and your experiences form beliefs in your subconscious that drive your behavior.

Independent Confidence. That's really what you are talking about, but (1) thats not always practical and (2) its not necessary to be successful to be happy. In fact, many people that seem independent just had families and friends that instilled beliefs in them that created a strong self-image and now they are really indepedendent. Nevertheless, these people may never have learned how to encourage themselves. This is the case with many beautiful women. The get compliments all the time so they are confident. However, because they get compliments all the time they are not used to encouraging themselves and therefore thinking for themselves.

Insecurity, Fear, Self-consciousness are just emotions. They are not good or bad. Everyone gets insecure....just like you, I made you prove yourself to me. I got under your skin. In the final analysis, its not how you feel its what you do. In fact, social insecurity and self-consciousness are reasonable emotions. THey just signal that you should care what people think about you...when you don't care what people think of you you get disliked. Being disliked can be a very tangible problem.

I will never change my mind. Never. I have authority on this subject. I know what I am talking about.


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Nothing wrong with having an ego and confidence. You should care about what others think about you. If you don't, you'll probably be listed as an outcast in every social group you come in contact with.

Ego + Confidence > Ego.

What's important is that you know when to tone down your ego and boost up your confidence. For example, if you're with your college social circle at a Starbucks you should definitely have an ego.

Now if you're at some bar looking for a SNL, you can tone down the ego and rely on confidence.

At the end of the day, if you choose to eliminate your ego 24/7 and rely strictly on confidence than you will turn into some fat scrub who doesn't take care of him/herself but will be injected with a false sense of happiness due to the confidence generated from reading this thread.

Lastly, the person who wrote this thread is probably looking for an excuse for his/her laziness. And I'm sure lots of people will agree with the OP because there are far more below average to average people on this earth than above average people.

Strive for perfection and greatness will come.

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Seriously guys, do your research. The author of this thread is this guy.



Just look at him. Do you seriously want to be taking advice from this guy?


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