LOL . . . do we need to celebrate?

1. I like to do a form of negging on men, usually with double entendres, and if you can turn it around on me....that's my favorite. I can't think of a specific example of that one, because it's so rare I meet a guy who has faster wit than me. The kind of negging I will respond to is not canned material... so it's hard for me to think of specific examples. Let me work on this for a bit.

2. Posture and body language are huge unspoken demonstrations of higher value. If you own the room, you own your own space, you bring people into your frame....I'm basically salivating.

Another HUGE one is pre-selection. You may be a charming, confident, wonderful guy, but if I don’t know you’ve had any worth to other women…I start questioning why I’m talking to you.

Lastly, humor. If you can’t make me laugh, you’re too normal. If you can’t make other people around us laugh, you’re worthless.

3. This is so simple, but my favorite comfort building position is where a guy sits on a bar stool and leads me in to stand in-between his legs. No idea why. It’s some kind of sexual reversal that does not necessarily have sexual overtones…this total mix-up of normal roles and situational expectations. Drives me nuts.

Holding hands is for 7th graders. Grabbing my hand and leading me through the trenches (crossing a busy street, ridiculously crowded bar, etc.) is for men.

Lastly, the biggest way to build comfort is to create and fortify a strong frame, presence and place in environment…then let me feel like I’m invited. Better yet, like I have a small place in it.

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Zip, do you do any shopping with guys?

This sounds like it would be a great sideline for you.

You know escorting guys shopping where you can help them with their clothing selection.

Heck, I'd almost pay for that myself. Man, after a day spent with you dressing me in those fancy N.Y. boutiques in Manhattan I'd no doubt go from a 9 to a 10 easy.

No bikini waxes.

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I do.

No bikini waxes, but if you got back hair...I'm getting you into a salon, asap.

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I got the grooming part down.

No back hair.

That's what I got a wife, and one of these for..



My salon's under a pine tree.

P.S. I wouldn't dare let her cut my hair. Ooooh, that would be ugly.

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Well done, sir!

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Couple of questions for ya Zip,

1) Can I ever forgive you for putting a link to that...just awful...youTube video in your signature?

2) The other question, the one the guys have all been dying to ask but were too nice to: Does size matter?

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A few of the questions that you have been asked in here are really silly and go directly back to my original question.

It is trying to put a structured answer around; What were the steps that led you to say "WTF just happened to me" when referring to why you lost your southern and stingy ways and dropped your skivies.
As far as you know. A real PUA uses his own canned material that you would never know he is using. Certain responses that leads to a specific communication path. I am not talking about routine stacking, but much more natural communication paths.

So you are paid?
Holding hands is one of my favorite C1-C3 activities. Most men do not do it (probably because men believe girls like you) This is how I maintain an actively dominant frame while we are in motion together. I bet if the 'natural' you referred to earlier did it, you would be changing your tune. Nothing creates a deeper connection with someone you have not known very long then discussing very personal information, maintaining eye contact, and holding hands. It also allows you to provide feedback on what they are saying by applying additional pressure with your hand to theirs. Reassuring comfort.

This is a perfect segway back to my question;

The point of seduction is to cause a certain set of emotional responses. It can be applied to either men or women, regardless of the sex of the originator.

The answers you have provided are typically what most girls say (with a bit more knowledge of terminology) of what they are attracted to.

My question was more rhetorical than anything. You can try to define why you feel the way you do but you really would not know what they did to get you there.

Everyone liked him, He made me laugh, He did not need me.

How many people do you meet like this every day? I am sure there are quite a few of them.

What separated these people from the one that you decided to have a ONS with? This is far beyond knowing or not knowing when someone is running the cube on you.

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Double Your Dating by DD
(This will work on your inner game)

http://www.freewebs.com/xfman/
(This will work on your outer game)

1.) Probably not.

2.) Yes, it does, to an extent. The importance of size decreases when there are other factors in the mix. Most women will not care about size if they are deeply attracted to you socially and emotionally.

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"Man translation.."


This is how women describe skilled tongue and finger work.

Of course if she wasn't attracted to you, she would never be in a position to see the actual size of your pecker anyway. You know, unless you're a flasher or something.

So, get busy with the foreplay dude and make sure you know where all the buttons are (female anatomy), then it wont matter if you got a 3" boner. She'll be a happy camper. You will be too, even if purely as an after thought.

Now some women do occasionally like the full feeling they get with a big one. But most women that I've talked too say it hurts, especially if the guy's over aggressive (I mean imagine a battering ram smashing into your cervix). And the biggest cocks didn't necessarily equal the best sexual experiences, since the vast majority of nerve endings involved in a womans orgasm, etc.. are located either on the outside of, or within the first inch or two of the vagina.

So, little guys rejoice. And leave the surgery, miracle suction cups, potions, fixation with 10" dongs, etc.. for the wackos.

The other option? Bring a 9" rubber dildo with you (make sure it says made in China on it), and if she makes fun of the size of your man pride, hand it to her as you're heading out the door.

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I was trying to keep my wording a bit classy, but Starbuck is absolutely right. There are always variants, but skill (not exclusive to the bedroom) beats out size any day.
Of course there is going to be some reason why a woman is with you. I hate to squash some guys faith in womankind, but it's true...for some women, attraction is not always the reason. These women are not the kind of women you really WANT to get involved with necessarily...but they are out there.

Now, most likely, a woman will be getting busy with you because she is attracted to you in some form or another...but when the clothes come off...all bets are off. Attraction can totally disintegrate for a woman unless there is something...in that bedroom...to keep her there. When physical attraction fails, a woman will stay in that situation (for a while, at least) if there is enough social or emotional attraction.

[edit] I know that I'm going to get asked this question, so I'll go ahead and answer it. Reasons why a woman would sleep with you other than the fact she is physically, socially or emotionally attracted to you: boredom, sexual exploration, experimentation of type... all of these reasons have to do with HER either coping or figuring something out.

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Thank you, I appreciate the correction. Sometimes my fingers and my head aren’t in sync.

However, I will not return the favor and correct you because I realize you’re not writing a term paper. I’m not either.
Though yes, “real” PUA uses his own material that one would never know he was using... I stand by my statement because I personally know the men in question…very well. Your comment is valid, and so is mine.

Yes.
I’ve never had a ONS. Not going to be able to help you out on this one. I will ask one of my friends to comment, if you would like.

As far as holding hands- go for it. It works. Just not for me. I was asked to give my opinion. I used hyperbole in my explanation of hand-holding as a device to get my point across.
If I understand you correctly:
Your view about the perspective of the seduced not being able to fully understand and/or comment on his or her own seduction is intriguing. However, I’ve also got the perspective of an observer as well as a seducer. Maybe that’s worth something.

As far as my opinion on what I’m attracted to: I’m not going to say that my answers are what “most” women would say or not. If I answer in accordance with most women, then it’s helpful. If not, it’s still a perspective and possibly useful in some way or another.

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Classy? I thought you said you were from Tennesee?

How's that for a neg?

Didn't mind offering up the help in the least. Men don't read between the lines as well as women. That's not a bad thing I suppose. Reading between the lines is an inexact art. That's why I like male airline pilots, and female flight attendants. I know, I know..

Another neg.

Many men, like women concerning their breasts are quite sensitive concerning this area of size or lack thereof.

Like you said everyone has to develop their own unique personality and skill set. If that includes a big one, then great. If not, one can compensate.

Sometime I'll tell you about the friend of mine that had to take his girlfriend (she was a small girl) to the emergency room doubled up after a particularly strenuous doggy style session. She wore it almost like a badge of honor. My friend has an average sized c..., well you know.
Well I hope there is at least.. 'something'.

This is quite interesting to me. Because it's been my experience that when the clothes start dropping, women are much more self conscious about themselves than guys. Especially the younger and hotter variety. The older and less hot ones don't care anyway, they're just happy to be getting naked with someone.., anyone.

I suppose there's a difference between having sex or a relationship with a woman, and having her addicted to your big one. I never worried about it. I was never going to be Ron Jeremy, and if my wiener was the only reason she liked me it wasn't going to last long anyway.

Now I've got a slightly above average sausage, and have never received any complaints. But it still isn't big enough for me. When a woman sees it for the first time, every guy wants to see the submission in her eyes, and wants to see her grab it like a fireman grabs a firehose. It's a man thing.

Alas I've learned to accept this.

I mean it's hard for many men to see themselves as a dominant or alpha male when they look in the mirror and they have the equivalent of a Toyota Corolla staring back at them. And everybody's telling them women like really big ones.

I suppose for a woman and breasts it's the same thing. It's really all a perversion if you ask me.

Can everybody say 'penis-extension'? Back in the mid-90's I used to drive a mint '93 fire engine red Trans Am and I swear whenever I drove it my pecker grew a few inches. Maybe it was all in my mind.

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I left that one out because those women are the bane of my existence.

P.S. vroom vroom

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