as said above we never usually greet with a kiss or anythin. i dont reckon you could pull it off without seeming too pushy.


BUT you could pull it off without a doubt when saying goodbye. there is certain parts of an interaction that people remember afterwards. some are significant events such as greeting and saying goodbye. if she looks back and remembers sayin bye with a kiss she will be more willing to do it when greeting next time. and if all goes well and you sarge successfully she will be expecting a MINIMUM of a peck on the cheek.
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Any of you guys remember this quote from Tom Cruise's "Risky Buisness"?:

"Sometimes you gotta say "What the Fuck", make your move. Joel, every now and then, saying "What the Fuck", brings freedom. Freedom brings opportunity, opportunity brings freedom."

Last weekend, I stupidly somehow managed to gather 4 girls that I've been working on into one club. When the 4th one showed (Italian), she looked kinda awkward and surprised that I was hanging out with all these girls and kept herself out of the circle and slowly eased her way in. When she was close enough, I grabbed her by the arm, brought her right into me, spoke out her name, "Hey, you made it!" And planted one right on her cheek. She seemed startled but then, she returned the kiss on my cheek. The Asian girl was like, "WTF?" So I told her, "We're Italians. This is how we greet each other." (Not everything was honky dory. I couldn't pay attention to all of them and this one took off without saying goodbye. . . damage control, I suppose is also part of the game)

If you lunge at her, it's PUSHY. If you just grab her and wrestle her into you . . . well, this would be "PULLY" wouldn't it? Ha ha ha . . . Sometimes you gotta say, "What the fuck."

Anyhow, I'm running off to lunch with #3 from that night.

Chino, thanks for the props.

Nice, this is a good thread. I've been living here in Europe for six months, so I can share some of my experience from the other way around (minus the negativity...). For starters, I don't think it's necessarily about being European, it's about about being DIFFERENT and EXOTIC compared to the other guys local HBs are used to. That means the foreign thing works both ways.

For me, as long as the girl is able to speak English, being a Canadian out here definitely gives me good opening and/or conversational material. Germans love the outdoors and skiing, so I go on about camping in the Canadian wilderness, snowboarding in Whistler, etc., and they eat it up the same way an American girl would hang on every word of an Italian guy talking about an ancient statue or the vineyards of Tuscany. Europeans are also obsessed with how cool cities like NYC, Miami, and LA are, so I feed into that and tell them about hanging out in South Beach or shopping in Soho. Serious DHV opportunity, because what's somewhat cool for North Americans is TOTALLY unique for Europeans. The key is to be cool about it and come off like as a worldly guy who has a completely different perspective and experiences than what they're used to.

From what I can see, coming from different parts of America can be even better: the girls here are always asking me about California, so if you tell a European girl that you're from LA, you dig surfing, staring at the Rockies, having drinks in Santa Monica, blah blah blah, she'll be all over you. I wouldn't lie about it, but just remember, what's normal back where you came from is likely to be very different and cool in other parts of the world...

Im from Norway, North-Europe. Ive heard from other guys on norwegian forums (been to american universitys etc) that since sex is so much more taboo in US (and people talk less about sex in US) their also three times more horny, thus three times easier too get too bed. Dunno if its true tough.

EDIT: We dont kiss when we meet people in Norway either, just a simple handshake.

This is very good advice. A coworker of mine actually thinks it's weird that I actually TOUCH people when I talk to them, especially women.

I plan to explain to him that when he was born, he was "touched" all over his body by that special part of his mother's anatomy, and thus it's perfectly natural to continue touching people for the rest of our lives.

I'll be standing to the side in case he projectile vomits.

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and when she says? what the fuck? get off me? lol
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Very important that you brought this up because the point is that this can and probably will happen. Then what? Two scenarios:

A. Then the AFC's heart will ache. He'll feel ashamed and embarrassed, and he'll never push himself to go "over the top" again. But then again, an AFC is already playing out this failure scenario over and over in his head so he won't have worry about this. He won't ever take the risk anyway.

B. Then the cocky bastard will lean back and say, "This is how we greet each other in Paris. Are you by any chance from a small province?" Then let the prude one from the small village enjoy her drinks and watch the big city girls enjoy your company.

Coincidently, my wing hosted a party last night. Sort of an International night . . . Anyhow, we invited 1 French HB(a) and she invited her friend, HB(b) Now, I've seen hb(a) around but don't really know her. She walks in and we shake hands. hb(b), I've never seen her but she lives in the same apt complex. hb(b) zones in and I swear, it's as if there is no type of emotional or physical block. Just a huge smile and she pulls me in for a kiss on one cheek. Cool! So now as I pull back, she turns her head and pulls me in for a smooch on the other side.

Start off like that and it doesn't matter if "smooching" is just a cultural habit or whatever. You don't break ice . . . this totally melts it! She tested me a bit with talks about "gang bangs", "threesomes" etc . . . Then there were some cute Chinese girls who were flirting with me the Asian "shy style". So the hb(b) leans in, rests her chin on my shoulder and whispers, "I know what you're trying to do. You're going to get these girls drunk so you can fuck them!"

Kasabi: I'm sorry, I didn't hear that.

hb(b):You're going to . . . .(repeats louder)

Kasabi: What did you say?

hb(b): (This time, She screams it loud enough so that I'm pretty sure others heard)

Kasabi: Woh, Woh! Are you totally insane? Look at me. I'm Asian. I'm very traditional. Just because you're this crazy French chick, do you think everybody in the World just gang bang people they just met?

hb(b): I know guys like you. . . blah, blah . . (Leaning in, practically smothering me.

Kasabi: Really? Because I'm a gentleman. I'm going to bring you flowers. Chocolates. Then maybe we'll do coffee first.

hb(b): Then what?

K: Then on the 3rd date, I might kiss you on the cheek.

hb(b): You bullshit. We already kissed on the cheek so now what?

K: Then I'll kiss you somewhere between your cheek and your lips. Did I tell you I'm very traditional?

hb(b): Oh bullshit! Bullshit! Ha ha ha ha . . .

K: Alright, alright . . . So I'll probably kiss you like this!

hb(b): Then what?


Then what? Guys. . . you only live once. And realistically . . . you'll be in this game for how long? This isn't some lifelong game like golf and fishing and I would be kidding myself if I didn't admit to myself that I'm at the tail end of this shit. So when you have the chance . . . just do it. Meet people. Do it right. Take the risks. Play the odds. Do this confidently and 9 out of 10, you'll meet and befriend some great people. This isn't only about sex. Touching and friendly kissing build trust. It makes friends.

Now the odd 10% that are small village country girls might get flaky. Fine . . . their loss. But you won't get anywhere if you fear getting shot down by small village country girls.

V1V, I hope this post addresses your concerns.

Give Kasabi some rep points people!!

Gawd damn that was a great post!

Anyway, glad to see my thread has became timely enough. Looks like I am right. (once agian ) Add kino guys, it is amazing what it will do for you. If you just add it to all of your interactions, and it seems natural and not forced, you will notice a MASSIVE difference.

CK

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You dont have to impress european girls as much. When girls in england seem to think they're something special and princess only deserves the best. Maybe its because women are more independant in the west and more spoilt.
I think having sex is'nt such a big deal to them and are'nt constantly in fear of being branded the village bike. Its more socially acceptable to be touchy feely and that helps, but there's alot more to it than that.

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This is a realy interesting post . But i do think it may be true which is unfortunate for all the american guys . Im living in ireland and although yes im in europe i think this is way more to do with the mainland european countrys likefrnace spain portugal amsterdam etc . every summer when i head off traveling through these places i find the amount of times i manage to pull a girl or even get laid drematicaly increases . the resons varey a lot to do is with teh care free nature of people when they are traveling having fun is the main prioriy . Either way i definatly reccomend a time spent travelling and exploring europe . :D

hey
i live in England but half italian so i have an Italian name (Enrico)
the girls in England go crazy when they hear my name as it is unusal, they ask if i can talk italian. I just make up some shit and say i said "your eyes are bautiful like the stars" 80% of the time i end up kissing the girl/girls and usally 50% i end up doing more stuff but as iv got older it does not seem to work as well .

also now when i go to parties im usually known as "little italian dude" so that kind of back fired

i want to meet some american woman haha.

1. european? I don't know if you're refering to middle east borat alike countries, but in scandinavia and other countries I've been to in balkan and also in spain and england, they don't kiss when meeting and stuff like that.

2. They get laid more in european countries? Either americans don't know squat about europeans, or they're simply dumb.. You talk about taboo regarding sex and stuff in your own country, when you produce most porn flicks in the entire universe and almost all your celebrities are wild and portraying as BAD rolemodels to teens with nothing else to sell than sex.

The irony of this is, we europeans have the exact same feeling about americans.

cheers

There is probably no difference between how easy it is for an American and for a European to pick up someone from their own country, in their own country.
Girls who are traveling are always easier to pick up. American girls visiting Europe are easy targets for European guys, but I'm sure European girls traveling to America are just as easy for American guys.
Likewise, If you are traveling it's easier to pick up girls because you're interesting because you're foreign (and often rich).
However, when we level the playing field and look at the game of European and American guys when they are both somewhere else, for example Asia of Africa, I get the impression we Europeans do a little better. I think it's because we usually have more experience with interacting with people from different countries. American guys always act typically American, even if some of that is considered rude in the country they are visiting.

A very important point that seems to have been overlooked is the where the European men factor into this equation.

I work with touring musicians and let me tell you, the men in Europe are much more forward. We were in Italy...maybe it was Spain, I don't remember exactly...with one of our merchandise girls (extremely attractive) and as we walked by a cafe, the waiter outside made eye contact with her, dropped his (empty) tray on the ground, clutched both hands over his chest and fell flat on his back. I don't know any American guy anywhere (I live in California, Los Angeles area) who would not only have the balls to do that, but be smooth enough to be charming and suave about it.

When we were in Greece a man came up to her (same girl) and said something along the lines of, "I wonder if you are still as beautiful when you're not standing around ugly men." And goaded her towards him by offering a cigarette.

(Going slightly off topic for a second) I think it's much harder for Americans in Europe than it is for Europeans in America. American's find Europeans fascinating, they'll talk to them for hours about trivial shit ("Do you have Taco Bell in Belgium?") or ask them to say things in their native tongues. When I was in Amsterdam I was talking to a nice young lady and when she found out I was American the only two questions she asked me about it were "Are you in the army?" and "Do you own a gun?" I have found (through personal experience) that Europeans sort of find Americans repugnant. Eastern Europeans that is. The only foreign places I have gone where people are interested in my being from America are Australia and Ireland. Everywhere else I (and the rest of the stage crew, techs, bands, whoever) get this weird "Go back where you fucking came from" vibe.