I believe its important for you to learn how to fight and defend yourself as a man,period. Firstly,it greatly helps in building your self confidence. Secondly, not being able to defend yourself or at least willing to fight may put you in a situation where you might get taken advantage of whether you live in a civilized Western city or not.Yes, not fighting is the way to go and in this day and age the chances of you getting into a fight are slim to none.

Alot of men depend on bouncers and the police to protect them, but I believe that makes you soft and dependent.Back in a day, a man who couldn't fight and defend himself and his loved ones got his but kicked and his stuff and women taken from him. Knowing you can protect yourself and those weaker than you is part of establishing your alpha identity.

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Most fighters are very self-confident and very discipline. Fighting requires discipline, self-control. People misunderstand trash talk, people think its to intimidate someone...no no no, its to make you so angry that you abandon your discipline and do stupid stuff.

I believe if someone is truly a fighter they have emotional control and they are calm under pressure. They don't fight because they are upset (they are more detached than that). They fight because they have been disrespected.

Fighting is a test of character. Most people don't understand that

I live in a 3rd World country where it is culturally expected for a boyfriend to see his girlfriend home safely. Before I learned the pick up arts and was chivalrous enough back then to see my girlfriends home after fuck dates, I had a few life and death situations where you really can't just back off a fight.

In one situation, we got cornered by two guys who wanted to stick us up. When someone pulls out a knife on you at a dark alley and says, "give me your wallet", you would be plain stupid to just fish out your wallet and give it to him. After you pull out your wallet, expect the muggers to give you several stabs after they get your wallets to show your girlfriend that she's with a frightened, good-for-nothing weakling. If you're smart enough and are trained in the martial arts, the best way to settle that situation is with a surprise attack executed rapidly without hesitation.

In another situation after I sent my girlfriend home safely, I had encountered three drunks by the street who shouted, "Saksakin na natin ito!" (Let's stab this jerk now.) When you see that weapon coming, you have no choice but to fight. Sure you can run but it's a bad idea to be running away from 3 guys who will pelt you with rocks before you can run far enough.

I think it's a different thing if you live in a developed country.

But me, since learning the pick up arts, I never take the effort to see girls home after a fuck date. It saves you from a lot of effort and possible danger-- That basically means that when you have pick up skills, fighting isn't really necessary whether you're in a developed country or a 3rd world country.

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I want to put in my 2 cents here:

1: Read skills360's thread about club game: He knows a lot about fighting and even he says it's ridiculous to start a fight.

2: I don't think my girlfriend (when I have one) would be happy to see me in fights a lot. She would be constantly worried about me getting hurt, that I don't end up in the hospital or anything.

3: When a fight is going to occur and you have a girl next to you, tell her to walk away and that you'll be fine. Yesterday I saw a fight where 2 girls got punched because they happened to standing on the wrong place at the wrong time.

4: Do you need to be able to fight? Well girls search for protection, if you can provide that then you have a better chance that she will stick with you. When a fight occurs, I make sure the girls are behind me, to protect them when the fight breaks out, even though I don't know them. And they always thanked me for that.

5: Is a law suit really worth punching a guy in the face? Or serious injury? If a guy goes aggresive, react calm, don't freak out. I perform pentjak silat for about a year now, and have taken a few taekwondo lessons. The teachers always said: The worst thing to do, is panic. Just stay calm, tell the guy that you don't want to fight. If he still doesn't listen, just walk away. Are you a pussy? Perhaps. But I'd rather sleep in my own bed then in the hospital. I know the techniques of stopping a punch, throwing counterpunches and kicks, but even I rather avoid a fight.

Just how I think about it.

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final word.

fighting in club with drunk stranger doesnt worth it.

but learning self defense is important.

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I didn't read all the responses on page one but I did page 2 and I like this response a lot.

I don't think it's necessary to learn teakwando or karate to get girls but it will give you confidence if you think you can fight. Best advice I can probably give is do your best to avoid it but you can't let someone take your girl or do something to her. So one real easy and effective way to put someone on the ground if you have too is to kind of throw your hands in the air like you give up and when they get close enough karate chop the lower part of their neck. That will at least get you out of harms way. Here is a real life example police which would be fairly easy. I would also recommend you watch watch mike tyson vs peter mcneeley on youtube, particularly the first minute of the fight. Mcneeley fights like a good ole fired up bar drunk. Tyson is just cool, calm and collected and doesn't have to use much skill to do what he did to McNeeley.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5hXjajWg4c

I would recommend boxing. It makes you stronger mentally. You have to always stay calm and process whats going on logically even when its dangerous.

Two things wrong with this.

Firstly - if you threw your hands up and then karate chopped him, you would be solely responsible and couldn't even claim self defence. Self defence has to be reasonable force, so something like that could quite easily have you in the dock as it's not reasonable at all. And before you say it won't happen - if you're in a club, a lot of people are all big and tough when they've had a few drinks but if they got beaten in a fight they will quite happily go running to the law to get their revenge when they sober up the next morning.

Secondly - "you can't let someone take your girl". Really? So, what if you've got a career that would essentially be ended if you got into a fight and ended up in court? What if you're a lawyer or a doctor or teacher or something - criminal charge for ABH/GBH and you've buggered up your whole career. Personally, I'd rather let someone take a random girl I only started speaking to a few minutes/hours/days even weeks before than ruin my whole career.

If she's a long term girlfriend, then you may want to keep her more than that. However, if she's a long term girlfriend, she isn't going to be scared off because you didn't fight some drunken thug or someone who is trying to mug you with a knife. She'll probably just think you're sensible and as long as you're still 'alpha' (I hate that word) in the rest of your relationship she really isn't going to care.

Don't take everything you read on these forums quite so literally. Yes, you need to portray a confident, 'alpha' mantra in your life. But if you've got everything else sorted, girls aren't going to go running the first time someone else comes along and has bigger muscles than you, or can punch harder than you. That isn't what 'alpha' is all about. It can help if you've got confidence from doing MMA or similar, and it can help if that has also given you a smoking body. But everything isn't just as black and white as saying "oh some guy could beat you up therefore no girl is ever going to like you again."

If you can't fight, don't fight. 99.9% of the time it will make absolutely no difference to your pick up.

No need what so ever. I know as a fact the Klitschko brother's do not provoke fights when they go out. Nor does Matt Mitrione, Miguel Torres or any other legitimate professional or good fighter. Nor does any high level instructor, despite a lack of athleticism, their capacity to do harm is still very high. I do not mean to name drop, but guys who know how to do great harm rarely display it.

The only boxer who is high level that I know who has gotten into altercations is Andy Lee. Great boxer, but once he gets drunk enough he tends to get liberal with his actions. He doesnt provoke fights, but forces them with unsavory actions.

I love to fight. I do. But when I go out it is after working out, or a long day. I am not so insecure that I need to show off by getting into a fight. I will, if so inclined, assert myself, but it ends QUICK. I do everything to avoid conflict. I use all AMOG tactics after I attempt to befriend. I also will beta myself to stop a conflict. You only need to fight if you resist an individual who is provoking a fight to begin with.

I am from Detroit. I know guys who bring guns everywhere, knives are less common, and a load of guys want to get into fist fights. Some women like that type of guy, most do not. They like a guy who stands up for themselves. I once was often on the other end of the spectrum, attempting to 'out-alpha' every guy despite his size, what he is packing, and who he is with. I also got kicked out of a lot of bars and lost many women.

Take my bad decisions as solid advice. If you want to learn to do a martial art (I advise Judo) or how to fight (Boxing or MMA is great) do it to enrich your life. It is very rewarding. But the fact is, in 99% of the US this is not required.

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I agree with you guys that figthing is a stupid thing to do but can you guys tell me a good exemple of a DHV story that could imply that you can take any guys in that bar/place without sounding like bragging or a violent/agressive person

i am 145 pounds so i dont really look threatening

As a bouncer, I have to watch a lot of people. A lot of drunken people to be precise. The point is if you get in a fight in the bar, odds are the bouncers didn't see everything that happened and everyone involved gets man handled and thrown out in a way that immasculates any male. This is both unattractive to the females, and can leave you with a splitting headache or worse. The solution is not to fight, and it's not to tattle tale. As mentioned earlier, you should keep calm, make a funny retort, and then walk away. If he pursues long enough, a bouncer will see what he's doing and throw him out. Then you are left with your girl, unbothered.

That being said, some fights are unavoidable. Boys+Girls+Alcohol = 1 of 2 outcomes; Sex, or chaos. For instance, If some chump has had his eye on this girl for 20 minutes and you approached her and took away his chance, depending on how much he's had to drink, he may take a swing at you and you didn't do anything wrong. In this situation, you need to know how to defend yourself.

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Those who can avoid a fight, should. Those who can't, maime.

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