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Thanks for making my point, hobbit, you and the other dude, should give him an apology, since they are CONSISTENT, you 2 are taking it out of CONTEXT...

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However, to say that cold approaching is useless is a truly idiotic statement.
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The cold hard truth is that 90% of all men who try cold approach will not get good at it. As a matter of fact, they wont even get decent at it. 5% will become decent at it and the other 5% will become better than decent.
I'm going to assume you are trolling the thread at this point. This is your warning.

Dude, i have my opinion you have yours, you are gonna warned me because your ass sumpitions... Why are you flaming me implying i am trolling... Pm were i am trolling, look at definition of trolling...It is ok to disagree, i did not know you get ban for disagreeing and challenging someones view points.

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Although the OP is right about that only 5% get good it is up to you to choose how to tackle that problem.

Id say at least 95% of all guys out there arent as hardcore as they need to be to become good. Not enough practice.

So either fold and run back to your easier warm approaches.

or

Become one of the 5% who succeeds.

or

Make sure that by the next time they estimate the number, the level of dedication to learning PU will have increased so that the number is more like 10%.

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The cold hard truth is that 90% of all men who try cold approach will not get good at it. As a matter of fact, they wont even get decent at it. 5% will become decent at it and the other 5% will become better than decent.

Simple logic will then tell us that cold approach, for most guys is mostly a waste of time. If you want to know if cold approach is worth your time then take the cold approach litmus test. Go approach 350 women. Night, day, twilight, doesn't matter, just approach them. Doesn't matter what your current skill level is either. If you don't get at least a couple dates from those approaches then I'm sorry but cold approach isn't for you.

Instead of wasting your time like everyone else in that 90%, spend all those hours getting good at something that will put you around women. Take salsa classes, learn an instrument and start a band, ect... Basically, think of something that both you and women like. Example, women love guys in a rock band. You can be a looser and still get laid plenty by playing local rock shows. I know several mediocre musicians who get laid tons by playing local rock shows. Get good at something that will give you massive social proof and you will get laid lots.

Does that mean you should never cold approach? No. If you see a cutie go talk to her. However, instead of spending hundreds of hours doing something your not going to get good at, spend those hours on something you can get good at and that will attract women to you at the same time.

However, if you did go approach 350 women and got a few dates then feel free to disregard this post work on cold approach all you want.
Great post that speaks the truth. Most men will are and will stay terrible at cold approaching women. For those men I would advise joining new social circles, taking up yoga classes, and finding other ways to meet attractive women.

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Instead of wasting your time like everyone else in that 90%, spend all those hours getting good at something that will put you around women. Take salsa classes, learn an instrument and start a band,
ect... Basically, think of something that both you and women like. Example, women love guys in a rock band. You can be a looser and still get laid plenty by playing local rock shows. I know several mediocre musicians who get laid tons by playing local rock shows. Get good at something that will give you massive social proof and you will get laid lots.

Does that mean you should never cold approach? No. If you see a cutie go talk to her. However, instead of spending hundreds of hours doing something your not going to get good at, spend those hours on something you can get good at and that will attract women to you at the same time.

However, if you did go approach 350 women and got a few dates then feel free to disregard this post work on cold approach all you want.
My 2 cents is this.

Getting good at cold approaches is subjective. What you consider good may be a conversion rate of 50% of cold approaches working out. To someone else maybe they only need 2% conversion on cold approaches for them to be happy. No one person is the same or has the same expectations.

So to say don't waste your time cold approaching and do something else to get girls is in my humble opinion inaccurate. Don't get me wrong it all helps, everything you do to become more social and get around more women helps. But you are still going to have to approach cold warm or hot. as a side point as I recall it in "the Game" Styles was a writer and was always surrounded by beautiful women, but despite being in target rich environments he did not get any type of results. It still came down to him having to approach.

What I believe is that cold approaches take time to get some handles on. Not to ever give up, because it may take maybe 700 approaches to get good. Maybe 1000 approaches to get good. And when you really put all that effort into some type of context, you will have found some type of game or angle that works for you. Getting good at it is subjective.

You have your whole life to get it right so don't quit because your not good now. and yes do other things that you're interested in to get more social but there really isn't a need to complicate hobbies with women. May just enjoy your hobbies as they are and let women be a bi-product of it. Not the goal.

Just sharing my opinion brother, I look at it as time pressure and patients. No rejections just lessons learned.
I agree with this.

In my experience, most guys i've seen fail or not become great do so for really common reasons. A big one is that they are unplanned/unorganized/have zero structure to there game. Their just winging it, they never test the target (compliance tests) they don't think building attraction.... They don't really analyze or even THINK about what they did wrong/right. They just approach away worrying more about what to say than what they should be working on... they go into get success not to learn. If one goes into learn vs expecting some success they can indeed become masters. I tend to believe that if they come from a learning perspective they can succeed... I personally didn't have much of a problem with cold approaching when I started but it took me a while to get better than where I started. so I would suggest that when anyone tests this theory, do your 300 approaches (or whatever the op said), do it to learn a structured game plan for "gaming" the girl. Don't go in expecting success right away without learning anything.
^ hey guys excellent! this is the right way to disagree, cudos... agent smith and pleasure seeker, i totally agree with most of what you say...I still think that many numbers of approaches is just too much, something else may be wrong...

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Guys who do not put in the effort do not deserve success nor sympathy. Wasting energy trying to advise them is not good sense.

Sports coaches train the best, they weed out the ones with the wrong attitude. They do not get frustrated trying to train the wrong people to become sports champions. Its also best to give up on those that show token interest to learning, who simply give up due to the pain barrier.

Yes boredom is also a pain barrier. To get validation from determined students maybe worthwhile, but to seek it from stubborn students is a fools enterprise.

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Thanks for making my point, hobbit, you and the other dude, should give him an apology, since they are CONSISTENT, you 2 are taking it out of CONTEXT...

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You have to be kidding.
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However, to say that cold approaching is useless is a truly idiotic statement.
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The cold hard truth is that 90% of all men who try cold approach will not get good at it. As a matter of fact, they wont even get decent at it. 5% will become decent at it and the other 5% will become better than decent.
I'm going to assume you are trolling the thread at this point. This is your warning.
Cold approaching isn't "useless."

For most guys, however, cold approach isn't a practical means of fucking many women. That being said, even in my original post I said that everyone should cold approach if they see a real cutie but that most people should focus on other things that can get them laid more efficiently.

Also, Aaron Sleazy and I have a different opinion on what a "cold approach" is.

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Thanks for making my point, hobbit, you and the other dude, should give him an apology, since they are CONSISTENT, you 2 are taking it out of CONTEXT...

Excellent posts...
You have to be kidding.
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However, to say that cold approaching is useless is a truly idiotic statement.
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The cold hard truth is that 90% of all men who try cold approach will not get good at it. As a matter of fact, they wont even get decent at it. 5% will become decent at it and the other 5% will become better than decent.
I'm going to assume you are trolling the thread at this point. This is your warning.
Cold approaching isn't "useless."

For most guys, however, cold approach isn't a practical means of fucking many women. That being said, even in my original post I said that everyone should cold approach if they see a real cutie but that most people should focus on other things that can get them laid more efficiently.

Also, Aaron Sleazy and I have a different opinion on what a "cold approach" is.
^ the only reason i brought him up is because in one of his books, i believe minimal game, he saying something similar to your point about joining a dance class etc... Not about cold approach. I think Adam lyons was the other one that had a similar view if i remember correctly in one of his 21st convention speeches..

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Whats with your posts? Theyre not consistent.
Its like you change your mind everytime you read some new shit that you heard of.
Hey spexxx and hobbit, I talk to wm via pm about the "inconsistencies" his point is that there are people for what he has seen on the "field" that are just extremely weird, and NOT NORMAL, in the community(social outcast). they have some other issues, and that is why in his opinion the numbers game may not work. I kind of believe judging some pms from people here, and there are some guys that i see myself when i go to clubs that approach a lot and do not get results. With that being said in my experience those are guys that do not know about the community, but then again i have no opinion in the matter since the people i have seen lack knowledge they are not community people, but i get wm point. here:

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Cold approach works for people like you and me. We are normal and socially well adjusted. We put in the time to get good and we analyzed our actions to find what worked for us and what didn't. What I've come to find is that most people arn't like us.

Many of the guys who find the community are so socially retarded that most of them will neever become fully socially adjusted which makes cold approach pick up super hard for them. As for the guys who are "normal" most of them wont put in the work it takes to become good enough to sleep with multiple women every month for cold approach. Truth be told, many guys dont even want to become that good. They simple wnat to have more choice and to find women who they actually like and not just women the settle for. Accomplishing those goals doesnt require them to become good at cold approach. They can accomplish that goal in a much easy and more efficient manner through setting up social circles and such.

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That's a very good explanation. Most people would benefit from cold approach if they put in the work and courage it takes, but a small percentage would benefit more from meeting weird girls that have similar interests and issues. That's the realistic truth. In the end, everyone can accomplish their goals and achieve happiness in their own way. No one has to use the same approach to achieve results. That's why we have so many different, but successful methods, because it adapts to a person's character.


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I don't know. I feel like I've been cold approaching for a few months. In the beginning, I didn't get any dates, but after about 2 solid months of practice, I'm getting more than one date a week. Are you really going to make a huge deal over 3 months of rejection? Don't.


It takes different guys different amounts of time to get good.


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