+1. Its really like a video game, people coming here will start at different level, 17 years virgins will start from the bottom while some other might start halfway to the top. What really makes you good are 2 thing, how much time you invest and how good you are learning. Since you cant really change how good you are at learning (you either super smart or totally dumb or most likely somewhere in between) you just have to invest as much time as you can to get good (as much as possible in the field aswell obviousvly).

I am now 2 months REALLY in the game, before i read material but never used them in real life. I'm glad that i joined the forum. Because i feel much more social, every time i look in the mirror i smile, instead of thinking what a loser. I actually chase my goals instead of being lazy.

In only a few months a lot has changed, and i love it. I am still nice but i'm also more playful, have a way bigger ego, and i feel like people wanna be around me. If you are used to being isolated, by even friends (sometimes they still do), for years, and then suddenly have new friends, more women, more love, more empathy, it's amazing. I never want to go back to my old self. I don't even think i POSSIBLY CAN go back to my old self. So yes, i feel happy about this forum, and i don't care about the bragging. If it works for me and my personality, then i'm happy, evrn if it comes from a jerk!

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Hey OP...

Let me tell you a story of a young boy who was a virgin until he was 18, only to pay a hooker for sex. He eventually found his way to the PUA forum where six months later had his first kiss, first oral and first girlfriend. That person was me.

Now, I dreamed big when I first started. I wanted to be able to go out and hook up every night or every other night. The sort of personified image PUA gurus give out. I thought if only I can be like them, I would be happy but then I realized that it is not about trying to be someone who is better than you, it is about trying to be a better 'you'.

Some people might need mentors and gurus because they push them to be better 'you's. Because that's all gurus do, they teach people tricks, routines and whatnot so that they help build a more attractive personality for the student.

I think people misunderstood. I never said I hate community. What I said: I hate all the drama surrounding community with all the guru-worship and ridiculous amounts ego-bs with every other guy trying to become the master of women, without actually thinking for a second about implications of his desires.

it seems to me that all these gurus with all their amazing claims about super effectiveness of their magic secret techniques, just create a sense of constant dissatisfaction among people. So let's say if a dude came to forum trying to get laid, and perhaps find a nice gf, after picking up a few books, he will likely turn into a PUA student, determined to master all the supernatural forces of social interaction, in order to be "the best pua there is" (or some other over dramatic shit like that).

Do these people ever stop to think whether it's worth it. Would you want to spend years of your life to increase your success rate from 2% to 5%? Would you keep approaching after you found what you've come for? Or are you going to dismiss the hardly earned happiness and/or common sense in the name of perfecting your "skillset"?
A lot of the time the PUA methods turn into cults with their traditions and beliefs, supported by nothing but selective reasoning. Blind belief in their respective gurus' words often overrides their personal experience and we end up with the same old, lame ideas that've either wrong or have been taken out of proportion.

At last, once someone new comes around and reads through a few of reviews with armies of supporters of certain "styles", he become convinced of it's validity(so many awesome-sounding PUAs on the forum can't be wrong-right?-wrong.) and the vicious circle of ignorance continues.

That's why I have never "worshiped" one style. I simply took good lines or behavior analysis that I have read and stored it in my head. To me, I find social interactions interesting, that's why I try out different behaviors. It's just a lot of times my head isn't quick enough to come up with good responses that I rely back on canned lines.

Definitely agree with this. Furthermore, the people who will introduce themselves as mPUAs and are always talking about their "amazing success rates" are not. A rich man doesn't need to tell you he's rich if you know what I mean.

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Handle them with care.

what I hate about the community is the trolls you'll find online. They're's plenty of them on some lairs (not mentioning names). They're the dalits of pickup. One guy stalked me for 6 months!!

Better just to ignore them completely and move on.

Couldn't agree more!

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