College is a huge fuck fest, you don't need the bars my friend, you have parties, get together's....and just anything random. The cycle can be created anywhere and time of day. I just referred to the bars because that was my element. Bar/Clubs are not for everyone, but for me. I am like a fish in water. I worked and played within the night club scene for a very long time.
Although being honest and upfront is commendable, it is not efficient if you wish to obtain numbers. I never really suggest anything about a relationship ( in fact that very word is a NO NO, it's enough to scare any woman off that barely knows you) Showing interest to date and in them is essential to get them to lay their guard down. It may not seem the most moral, but again, we are talking PU here.
I have not operated within an efficient cycle for quite a long time. I simply don't have the time anymore. Or the stomach, lol. As you get older the game changes, you do become more upfront as older women can smell the BS a mile away. The game becomes much more of an art and a science. Dare I say even more interesting.

The time to go crazy is in college. Don't hesitate, approach every woman you are attracted to. If you go through my other thread, I am sure I mentioned something about college students. It really is a huge orgy. Don't let it get away from you. Get in there!

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I don't hit on plain jane's or fatty's But if that's your thing, all the power to you. If you are getting consistent sex from ONS Good Job! keep it up my friend.

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Functionally and observably, there is no difference between this:
vs.
Even the most most schizophrenic spreaders of seed will keep a girl around for a while if the she manages to feed the guy some endorphins one way or another. And the politest of guys will drop a girl 'like a bad habit' without having kept a single bar room promise if her vagina stinks like shit either physically or metaphorically.
Only if they haven't figured out a few cute ways to pat their own backs thinking, "I did the right thing . . . I left her better than I found her."

Here is an example of what i am talking about:


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I think what the OP was trying to describe was how to get the sex cycle of fuck buddies so that you will have a cycle of sex continuously, NOT how to create a cycle of sex through other means.

What i beleive that many of the responses have focused on is the club scene because that is the stereotypical and notorious place for horny women and honestly the worst place for "most" people to pick females.

Sexaddict was specifically referring to the bar scene where someone can talk to another person without being forced to shout or dance due to loud music or their surroundings.

Sexaddict was illustrating the picture of how most of the aspiring puas would like to turn out to be which is that you have multiple fuck buddies for Sun-Wed and then go out Thurs-Sat to find SNLs or future FBs.

I admit that it is possible to have a SNL consistently, at clubs or anywhere. But it is very difficult to do so. In this way, SexAddict's method or plan to create a "sex cycle" is a solid idea for many people on this forum.

Yet if you tell the girls your intentions, then you wont deceive them and they will be either chill or mad and you boot the mad ones out and only keep the good ones. Thats how you collect fuck buddies hahaha.

I approve of SexAddicts sex cycle idea in regard to fuck buddies

Everything is a process and this takes time to start and reach its full potential. This idea takes time and some effort, but what doesnt?

J Slay




@MirageMAn, at college its easier to find SNLs because there are so many parties and horny girls (and drunk, dumb, hot, horny girls hehehe). big schools (state schools) are the way to go, not a shitty, small, nerdy school. But this method is a good idea even in college to increase your fuck buddies

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trying to maintain any type of relationship evenin if its just fuck buddies is always gunna be more work then a ONS, but you reap what you sow in some ways, but then again there is merit in waking up in a shitty hotel smelling like cheap cigars and vodka looking over and seeing some hideous beast cuddled up next to you.

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I have to defend the OP in that during my college years that approach was very effective for me. Unfortunately my problem then wasn't getting girls alone in a situation to make my move, it was the confidence to make that move in the situation.

Looking back I can say I could have gotten laid an exponentially higher number of times than I actually did (which was not few) had I the confidence that I do now on what to do when opportunity presents.
I think Slay hit the nail on the head.

Lets all be honest here and admit that the median average aspiring PUA is probably aged 19-29 and looking for one thing - consistent access to sex with multiple women. we can't all be SNL experts and we can't all be Hugh Heffner in terms of dating multiple women simultaneaously. What SexAddict offers here is a template for the middle ground of both extremes - An approach to a system that makes sex generally available with a reasonably sized pool of acceptable women.

Based on my own experiences I'd have to give this a thumbs up, though I realize it may not be for everyone and may not be the most ideal approach for certain people.

The only real problem I have with the system as presented is the time commitment. Granted getting laid with any model/system requires effort, and IMHO being a SNL expert is an unfulfilling lifestyle. Perhaps using this system as the bones and working to improve SNL with the intent to inject them into a shortened sex cycle pattern for a 2nd/3rd lay might be a more appealing approach.

Besides, why exactly is it that after a great SNL you can't hit it again a time or two?

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My only question is this

Having done a similar "cycle" to you over the past year, year and a half, I really don't get your ultimate motivation.

For me, I would add new girls in every so often, but eventually once I had 3, 4 sometimes 5 women on the go at one time, there was simply no time and no need to approach or go on any more new dates with new girls.

I don't understand why you'd bother going on 2, 3 dates with them, only to fuck them a couple of times and then never speak to them again?

Surely if they were worth spending 2 or 3 dates worth of time with, it's because you connect with them and are interested in having them be part of your life?

If not, what is your screening process? Do you just go on dates and say anything just to fuck them?

Why keep chasing new girls the whole time when you can have multiple girlfriends for long periods of time, get to know them, hang out, and have a real connection, as well as getting constant sex from multiple women? Isn't that both more fulfilling and more convenient in the long run?

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Generally it wasn't more then two encounters( most women I found gave it up on the very next meeting. after the digit drop)



There is merit in what you are saying and I have done such things before but I found that it ultimately ended up in me hurting a lot of women. There was one time in particular, I bumped into 3 girls all in the same place ( lets just say it didn't end well) they basically all ended up talking to each other and basically created a "hate club" for me ( the awesome thing about that though is that I eventually slept with 2 of the 3 again, much further down the road).

The problem with creating a real connection with theses women is that emotions get involved. I was just out for the numbers. My friends and I were a group of players in a pure competition. Numbers were the game. The chase was the drug.

As I evolved in life, I did start to find more solace in creating connections and being more honest.

The cycle that I speak of is more so for younger guys, It's just a way to have consistent sex. Its generally suited for someone that is looking to achieve high numbers.

I am not saying this was my life, this was merely a phase of my life and a system that I have used.


Screening process then, was basically saying whatever was needed to get into their pants. There can be many different forms of the cycle. It can be maxed out or slowed down. I guess you can say, I have done all ends. When i was competing with friends I was maxed out, just told the women what they wanted to hear just to fuck them. Then there were times when I just dated a few women at once and whenever we parted then i would cycle someone else in.

Different speeds. My actions with the women depended on the speed I was going at the time.


Although there is many women that I am sure hate me, I was fortunate enough over my years to actually forge some meaningful relationships with lots of fantastic women. I have quite a few female friends that know all about my ways but love me anyways.

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Rye Lee read your post it was brilliant, like absolutely fucking brilliant. I remember I did this for a 5th grade math project and it was actually interesting, but I never thought of doing it again in a PUA system. I mean it really is a great concept to help with both PUA and life. I have always been shitty at time management this might actually help me.

So thanks, will help me in my schooling. Seriously horrible in HS (last year) I used to do my essays 5 hrs before they were due, sometimes the day they were do in my school library, horrible time management

Anyways great read so far, love these discussions with Sexaddict and the rest of the lot.

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One of the few competent posts on this forum. You are speaking the truth and so far you are the only person I respect on this forum , even though we seek different things and use slightly different methods the essence is the same.

Also great job managing you other thread.

wow I really like these ideas thank you so much sexadict911!

Wow, this is the thread I've been waiting for.

From 9 months in the game - I've done 20 minutes pulls, day game that converted after one meet, pulled to restrooms, etc... so I have some experience, but I'm still relatively new at this. I've made a decision a few days ago to take my game to the next level by being more systematic and analyzing everything I've learned so far. My main effort is to become better at SNL but I totally understand where SA911 is coming from.

If you want to get laid and you don't, because you go out to clubs night after night trying to do ONS, then SA911's method is your best bet.

SA911 did not know about the community so he wasn't exposed to this "same night lays only" mentality that most of us have. He developed his own approach, one that we ALL know is consistent: "solid" numbers from bars and clubs while then a day 2 at his place "for dinner and a movie". This works - period. I'd say 80% "conversion rate" (haha) from day 2 or day 3 is my experience as well. Especially when you properly "design" the date.

The two main points here are simply:

A) SOLID numbers.
B) DATE DESIGN.

A) Sold numbers means that you take the number after a MINIMUM of 20 minutes interaction, if not more. You must really attract the girl and connect with her, possibly make out with her but not too much, in fact the less you do, the better. You must show that you are a sexual person but in the same time show restrain, this is very powerful. Then go for the number when it's obvious that it is "on" and already seed the date in the process. Such numbers will RARELY flake.

B) Example of "date design" - A girl I day gamed, number closed in coffee shop.
From a 5 minute set during the day I simply could not pull her to my place for the day 2, so I spent 4 hours in a bar with her "on a date". Then day 3 - she met me at my apartment - I took her to a club to teach her salsa for an hour - then back to my place where I cooked her dinner - a 3 hours movie that made her miss the last bus - then to bed. A 20 years old, a 9, with a perfect body.

Why is this a "perfect date"? The salsa allowed me to escalate on her while being her "teacher" - a very good frame to be in. Salsa is sexy as fuck and as she did not know any - she was putty in my hands: spinning her around, throwing her from one side to the other, showing her the moves, holding her close to me, etc etc... Then from club back to my place (it's 50 meters away) cooking for her - tons of value, shows that I'm putting the effort, that I can cook, bla bla bla I don't have to explain. Then I throw her on the sofa, a 3 hours movie which I knew will make her miss the last bus (haha) while snuggling together under a huge blanket finishing half a bottle of wine. Three different activities in one night.... zero resistance, it was a perfect night. And guess what? I'm going to, and have, repeated the exact same date with other girls. Design a "perfect date" which ends up at your place (food is the best excuse) and execute it again and again. You're allowed to change only two things - I) the movie II) the girl.

Now about SNL: They are possible, and consistently, but they require a certain type of game, specifically massive calibration in terms on which girls you approach and your own game. There are MANY factors that go into this:

Age - your age, her age. I feel the older the chick is, the easier it is to pull a ONS but I might be wrong here. If you're older than the chick - this is good, unless you're MUCH older in which case it will be a problem.

Location (as in what country you're in / city / etc) - for example I find Poland to be much more difficult than the Czech Republic, I know that American girls are very easy, etc etc....

Venue - a posh place where everybody know each other, and come to "see and be seen" vs. an alternative "hipster" bar where people go to get wasted or a place known to be a "pick up bar"

Time of night - many girls want to hangout with their friends before being taken home by a guy - so you either have to hit on them late in the night or open them early but then expect to spend with them at least 2-3 hours until close to closing time.

Day of the week - I find the weekend to be much more "wild" in that respect. The girls that go hunting would usually go out on the weekend or towards the weekend.


So what I think would be a good strategy is:

A) identify the best venues, the more alternative, "pick up friendly" places.

B) start the night early opening sets and collecting "solid numbers" for future day 2s and for putting yourself in state.

C) about two hours from closing time - start hunting for girls who look like they would be down for a SNL. WM's list is great so I'll repeat it:

- Lone wolfs
- Women who are showing more skin than most other girls
- Chicks who don't look like they club a lot.
- The older chicks in the room. (A woman who is 27 in a room full of 19 year olds would count as the older woman)
- Women who just seem horny. (You learn to pick up on this)

and I'll add:

- Women who dance more sensually than others.
- Women who seems to be drinking more than others
- Women who hang-out next to the bar
- Women who walk around the bar / dancefloor as if they are "looking for trouble"

Here, again I'll repeat - the older they are, the faster you can pull them. The fastest pull I did, 20 minutes, was with a 36 years old. Girls who are younger will require more time.

D) I'll usually find these girls on the DANCE FLOOR. They are easy to recognize and can be easily opened. You'd simply start dancing with them, get closer, take her hand, spin, put her arms around you, dance dance dance - then by feel either try to make out or start talking by saying "hey what's your name" and then pulling to talk or continue dancing depending the signs she's giving you.

E) I know it is tempting to try and do a "20 minutes pull" but I think that even with such girls - you need to expect this to take between 40 minutes to 90 minutes. So I think the best would be to escalate quickly and yet not too quickly as to "burn" the tension between you two. What I think would be best is to dance / makeout - then lead to bar for a drink, talk and connect, dance some more, then try to pull. If you feel the girl is ready or it's closing time - simply ask her "do you want to go out of here?" or say "lets get out of here" and physically pull her out of the club. She won't ask where are you taking her, and if she does, say you're taking her to an after party and follow the instructions below.

EDIT - the reason I say you should still put in the time is that I had cases in which I felt that I simply went too fast too far. Two examples - a girl I started to dance with and make out with within 5 minutes, and then pulled into the restroom. Once in the restroom I pulled her tits out, started sucking on them, then tried to take her shirt off, but she did not let me. Why? Because at that point we have NOT EXCHANGED A SINGLE WORD. Sure, I could have got lucky with her, but it was simply too much to ask for, too fast. So after some more tit sucking and a little handjob, she snapped out of it and (rightfully) wanted out. If I had more patience and waited a little longer (as in 20 minutes vs the 5 minutes ....) I might have been able to pull her or she would allowed me to bang her in the restroom. But 5 minutes is simply, in most cases, too fast. 2nd example - I've pulled a girl from a club within 20 minutes. We started walking to my apartment and half way there he phone started ringing. Her friends started screaming on her that she does not know me at all (which was absolutely true!) and demanded that she return to the club. These guys just kept calling and calling and calling, they probably called her 10 times in less than 15 minutes. By the time we arrived to my apartment - she totally snapped out of it and wouldn't come up with me. If I invested more time with her in the bar and allowed her friends to know me, I could probably fuck her that night... again, lack of patience.


If you're trying to do a SNL with a "normal" girl - not one of the above types - then you will need to PUT THE EFFORT and spend at least 3-4 hours with her. You CANNOT escalate too quickly. I find that in these cases "the faster the better" is NOT valid unless you're in college or in some place like LA or NY.

YOU MUST calibrate and learn to GIVE THE GIRL WHAT SHE NEEDS. Often it will be a slow escalation that will allow her to feel that SHE HAS WON YOU OVER. The super sexy / confident / I do this shit all the time type of game will NOT work here (from MY experience... ) Girls do not like to go home with guys who they feel are "players" (unless they are players themselves - see the above type) - you must make it seem like it's not something that you usually do, by saying stuff like "I don't know why but I feel really comfortable with you", "I feel really good with you, I don't know... it's strange", projecting future dates etc... you must put the time and effort, wait out the night until closing time, escalate slowly but surely, and then try to pull the girl home BY SOME EXCUSE (again, this is MY experience !) What I usually do is tell them to come with me to some other club where there's free drinks, they will usually say yes, and I'll then take them to my apartment. They will either show no resistance (because they wanted to come to my place anyway) or they will show resistance and in that case I'll just pull them in and tell them "we did all this way! just for 5 minutes! we'll drink a little and go out again!" and then 95% of the time they will come right in.

It will also be good to bring during the conversation themes of being adventurous, of "living the moment", cold reading bullshit.... connect connect connect "old school" MM.

EDIT - Push / pull is supremely important, especially in the first 20 minutes. Most guys mistake is that the just PULL. This is a HUGE mistake. You MUST push and break rapport and let them chase you a little / letting them feel that they won you over by their wit and personality - NOT LOOKS. You MUST be authentically interested in WHO THEY ARE and let them feel that they passed your screens I.E that you have values and they have past your tests.

If anybody has more ideas about how to pull SNL I'll happy to hear them, that is the "holy grail" of pick up and the ultimate skill to master. I'll try to think of more things to add... but meanwhile I'm eager to hear your ideas.

oh shit phagan is back lol, you want to learn single night lays, i do them a lot, but no system just dance, escalate, logistics, and you are right with 26+ easier, but the master of snl is aaron sleazy, he fucks them in the bathroom:


http://www.aaronsleazy.com/cms/

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Hey bro, yea been busy and hanging out at RSDnation So this Aaron guy is legit, not the same all material all over again? (2 seconds rule, etc...)