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 Post subject: FR/LR/TLDR
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:49 pm 
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As a practitioner, I've decided to amalgamate my posts and keep my experiences in one concise place. Journals help myself and hopefully others! 8)

My first post here was close to 2 years ago. Where does the time go?!
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I still live here in SATX.

History:

2005-2009 - I wish I had studied pickup before college. I had the perfect setup to be a womanizer: I have a Bachelors of Science in Nursing, therefore I was around a lot of women. At least 3-4 women knocked on my dorm room door (1 quite literally) - and I shooed them away! I focused on schoolwork and can count on 1 hand how many times I went out to socialize with girls/friends. I didn't have much interest in women at the time.

2010 - During this time, I was preparing to come into the military. I had no knowledge of pick up. I was unemployed. I got into the military in May of 10.

2011 - The military was a big change for me - it was my first time living out on my own. Work was very hard for me since I was just coming out of college and had been very anti-social. I didn't really have a social life outside of work, which is lame (I'll explain later). I played around online and eventually had a one night stand with a woman from POF. Can't even remember her name lol. She looked much better in her photos, I'll just say that. Not fat, but not thin either. Pretty average I'd say a 5 or 6. She refused to suck my D. I sucked her Ts and ... Well we had sex. she took my 'virginity', though I don't really count it as I was protected. Just like everyone else, I was very underwhelmed. Not being practiced, not knowing the person, and not having my place set up for sex all detracted from the experience. We did it on my airbed lol.......Anyway we were one and done.

2012 - I began learning about pickup in early 2012. I've read/seen too much to recount all of it but some include: The Selfish Gene, Sperm Wars, 48 Laws of Power, Art of Seduction (RG), TMM, The Game (NS), the VH1 PUA series, TTOB, The Alpha Man Convo (CX) & Paul Janka's works. I still have some material on my computer I haven't seen yet. Of course learning is a continuous process, so I slowly digest anything I can get my hands on. I got on match (finally had $) and I have had dates every now and then. Didn't do much cold approaching.

2013 - I started going both solo and with friends to clubs, malls, bars, events - anywhere to practice. However, I never had a routine. I would freestyle all the way. As a newbie doing this, I went down really bad threads. I have said "What's wrong with your hands?" to a hair stylist, and "Would you wear something like that?" to the friends of a scantily clad bar tender. I'm sure you can imagine how those conversations went. Even with these bad conversations, I've gotten my AA down very very low. Thankfully, nursing has dulled many things in my life waaaaaayyyy down.

2014 - This year I haven't gone out much to practice. I have a "girlfriend" (CA - see below) so sex really isn't an issue. I'll be 27 this year and I'm in the military till 2016. Been chatting/going on dates off Tinder and Match but haven't been putting myself out there as much as I should be.


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 Post subject: Re: FR/LR/TLDR
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:01 pm 
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Not sure how to title this... I guess: "Girls I saw more than once." I might unintentionally leave 1 or 2 out. Anyway, I've been on lots of dates, but very few day 2s.

CV - 26 y/o. Petite blonde. I'd rate a 6, though I never saw her naked. Met online in late 2012. Went on a few dates - just food, hanging out, talking, seeing friends (minor stuff). Eventually went over to cook at her place. I slept over several times, but we'd just cuddle. I think we did this about 3 times. I asked to shower with her one time and she said no. I acted pretty needy but was cool about it. I did fondle her chest. That's about as far as I got with her. Come to think of it I never kissed her. Pretty poor of me to expect sex without even kissing her.

VV - 26 y/o. I'd rate a 6, though never saw her naked. Petite typical dark eye/hair Hispanic. Met on match in 2012. Extremely traditional Hispanic girl (lives with parents, can't leave home until married, etc). Of course I didn't find this out till recently. Went on 5 dinner dates in 12. Eventually had her over at my place one night. I tried to tickle her and she got really scared. She didn't talk to me again until this year. Said she lost my # & realized I didn't do anything wrong. On our first date this year, she said she's changed and has embraced the American culture more. Through the last 5 dates (nothing really special to mention), I realized she hasn't changed at all. I realized this is not what I want in my life, and there is little rationale to keep dating her. Like they say, good girls just ain't fun. Boy... typing this out makes the mistakes glare at you in the face!!

CA - Met at the hospital in mid 2013. Probably an 8 (remember this is just looks, not baggage lol). She was a patient of mine - we aren't supposed to have relations with our patients. So... I was pretty aloof when I met/took care of her... I thought she was attractive, but have never really idealized mothers (she's got 2). She's 28. Felt really bad for her - I feel like I'm giving her pity sex sometimes - she has stage 4 cancer (I saw her medical history so I know she doesn't have ovaries/STDs either). She arranged everything: Took my number, invited me out, came over to my place, etc. I owe her most of my sexual experience. We've done everything (I think I actually progressed in a logical fassion this time - couple date(s)> kiss> fondle> sex). I am still seeing her. She slept over this past weekend. Too much baggage for a LTR... ex-husband/divorce etc. Joked with her this weekend about her being my sex buddy...

AL - 22 y/o. Probably an 8. Picked her up in the Academy (sporting good store) mid/late 2013. She caught my eye and I lingered for a little while, she never saw me though. I approached her and started talking. She responded well and seemed interested in me; she asked where I was from, what did I do for work, etc. When I asked for her number, she said something like "I'm glad this happened." Well, it took me a almost a year to get her out on a date. This combined with her sometimes ignoring my texts means I'm gonna go cold on her soon.

Besides these women, I have over a couple hundred cold approaches (both sexes - no I'm not BI). Most of my approaches - especially the hot ones - down here have been met with the boyfriend defense. I know there are work arounds but I honestly haven't tested it much.

I attribute my poor conversion rates to being inconsistent and experimenting. I'll find what works well eventually!


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 Post subject: Re: FR/LR/TLDR
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:33 pm 
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Recent experiences/Philosophy:

Being a young single PUA in the military really sucks. You can't have anthing other than a professional relationship with basically 80% of the rest of the military (if you don't want trouble - and I've had my fair share). Not only that, people you become friends with usually move in a year or so. So it's challenging to retain a solid social circle or military girlfriend, if your not looking to get hitched (me). This forces me to pretty much fly solo, which is OK.

I prefer day game to night. It makes more sense to me. My favorite reasons are that you can usually judge your targets better in the day (light), less noise, less competition, and usually you can find women by themselves. I have had really lame night experiences here. I have gone to a variety of night clubs and see all guys standing around drinking, or have music too loud to talk to people, or are just couples sitting on each others laps. I have found few target rich locations/places worth going to at night.

I saw a huge difference in my result when I approached AL (one of my last approaches). Prior to her my pickups were pretty lame; I would chat about a few irrelavant things after a meaningless opener, and then go for the number. This is one of the main reasons why I have so few day 2s. I invested about 15 minutes of good conversation with AL before asking for her number. This conversation was made up nothing more than small talk (about shoes), humor and us exchanging basic info about each other. Because I invested a 'good' amount in her, I got a 'good' amount in return. I can't remember if I told her when I met her, but I do speak Spanish. She does know though. It helps create a connection with hispanic women. AL has asked me at least 3 times over the past year about picking up other women. I guess something about my calm manner and facility with words tipped her off. What a good sense of intuition.... anyway... we have texted a lot since I met her, but I think she's a little too young and immature for me. Not only that she falls off the earth every now and then and it's been like pulling teeth to get her out to meet me somewhere.

A couple months ago, I went on a restaurant date with someone I met online. I made a post about it here:
second-chances-vt182794.html

I plan on going back to this place to game the door girl at some point. The other door girl that I was having eye sex with I'll have to go back for too. This happened last week.

Side notes:

If I get serious about this, I need to come up with a good routine locations. I hate doing thing inefficiently and SATX is so spread out that I should have a good game plan when going out. I will put together clusters of locations with target rich environments to game effectively.

I should really start going to the BSF groups again ... I felt like a fox in the hen house! I've had a hard time frequenting them because of the odd hour and distance from my place :( but it is quite the young girl magnet.

Do yourself a favor: we all known on some level that masturbation takes away our drive. Watching this video made me want to give it up forever! I'm on day 4 of not wanking it, and I already feel like I have more energy than usual!

http://tedxtalks.ted.com/video/TEDxGlas ... on-The-G-2


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 Post subject: Re: FR/LR/TLDR
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:15 am 
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So... today I prepped myself to try to get into gaming sometime this week. I had to go grocery shopping and I went to the base commissary. Very rarely are there are prospects... a lot of older vets and enlisted... I did see 2 approachable girls. I didn't get close enough to one of them to see (no real excuse) but the other one actually sorta followed me and upon closer inspection I wasn't interested. She followed me into the checkout line so I opened her and just talked about the line and checkout.

As I get back into the swing of things, I've been reading a lot of 'modern' material and things related to RSD the last few days... it's all similar to Paul Janka's work.

This abstinence from masturbation thing... Napoleon Hill talks about the transmutation of sex energy in his book "Think and Grow Rich." For whatever reason, today it feels like I have a lot of energy. I read a lot regarding pickup online, typed these essays, did work at my job without getting so bored (I usually have problems staying awake at work :roll: ), and I didn't get tired like I usually do after eating lunch around noon. After work, I went grocery shopping, put them away, lifted weights, did more reading, and am working on my trading while I write this... It's been a while since I had the motivation to do even this little stuff..

A few small details: I make about 75k per year... which means money is no problem. Not that big a deal, but it helps. Also I'm about 5'11 and about 140 lbs. so pretty thin, but I do work out regularly, so I'm pretty muscular. CA tells me I have a nice body! :mrgreen: I have throughout my young adulthood gotten compliments from a variety of women about being handsome. It boots your ego, but I know the most important thing (and I think this goes for women too) is how you put yourself together. You can be great looking, but if you wear dirty shoes, old baggy jeans, odd colored shirts etc. you won't be labeled attractive.

I'm talking to 2/3 girls on tinder... trying to arrange a date. Always struggle getting girls online to meet me. I just try to keep it light, make slightly suggestive sexual remarks, try to form some form of connection, give a complement, and then ask the person out some how.... My results pretty much mirror my cold approaches. For w/e reasons my conversions are very low. I'd estimate less than 10%.


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 Post subject: Re: FR/LR/TLDR
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:23 pm 
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Damn.... well I broke my abstinance on Wed... :cry: it just got to be too much. If I tempt myself with it, it's impossible to forego. I have to withdraw sloooowwwwwwly

I completed both GW methods (day/club), and am watching RSD blueprint to help me get back into this, since it's been a while. I do still open people randomly, not just women. I am working on coming up with cluster areas so I can approach at least 5 women if I choose to go out.

I've had a real problem with motivation. Partially because my results aren't as good as I've wanted, which I think is a function of my method, which I've never really had. Also, I can have sex pretty much as much as I want, so it's not like I'm missing something.

I've really been focusing on eye contact a lot lately. There was a cute captain walking in the hallway that I noticed and I just gave her good eye contact. We held until she passed me, she was pushing a cart and with a coworker/friend (who knows). I should have just talked to them but I was sorta in another mindset; it was an awkward time since I was setting up for a meeting I had to attend, but still there's no excuse. There would have been enough time for a quick chat.

I really like the way the GWM talks about hoovering to get eye contact/interest and then approaching. I feel like eye contact really does convey at least initial attraction. If you can bait that out first, that will at least give you an entry.

Tyler says if a girl doesn't like you, don't try to make them!


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:35 pm 
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I've violated my abstinance a couple times this past week. I'm definitely toning it down though. Sometimes it just seems to build up too much. It's a die hard habbit I guess, we are all (even women) programed to seek out the behavior. What's easier? Watch porn or find a girl that will do sex?

I've been using the excuse of "finish RSD blueprint" in my mind to delay and warm me up for gaming again. I'm on DVD10 so far. A lot of his teachings are reinforcing things I've learned through experience. At 26, I have already realized how important it is to have a solid 'core identity' over almost anything else.

I've been being more social to warm myself up too. Just opening whoever. A week or two ago I approached this woman I work with (she's quite a few years older) and just had a small chat with her. She was giving me eyes all day long for a week or so since she got here. I got her number indirectly and told her about it, so I counted it. In our small talk I heard she got orders to move abroad, so I wont be pursuing it. Not because of this, but because trying to have a relationship with her could get me in more trouble.

I had a couple of brief windows of opportunity to open 2 girls 2 days ago, I just wasn't quick enough on the draw; one was walking through the base exchange in the opposite direction as me. I should have just followed her. I saw her later when I checked out at the register and she was with what looked like her mom. That pretty much showed she was too young anyway. Another woman was at a clinic getting help, when I had an appointment at an adjacent clinic. I didn't want to interrupt, but I could have followed her out and pulled her aside ot talk for a few when she left. There are no excuses and there is no perfect time. You have to be ready to go in an instant without hesitation and unshakeable. Like the 'guru's' promise, this makes you better at almost anything.

Yesterday, I opened a captain I saw at work. I'd seen her before somewhere, so I just opened with that. We had a brief conversation, and I found out where she'll be working here. Before I approached I thought when I saw her before she was married, and she was. I just made the connection, and ejected. Maybe I'll see her around.

I planned yesterday to get closure on one of the girls I spotted a while ago that worked as a door girl. I posted about the exp here: second-chances-vt182794.html
Unfortunately it rained really hard yesterday evening, and it's best not to drive in this city with a lot of rain. There are usually a lot of accidents.

I have mapped out the areas where during the day/evening there should be a lot of options.

I've signed up for match again, and am on tinder. I'm talking to a woman on match, and we arranged for coffee this Sunday, she's probably like a 6-7. I'm talking to a girl on tinder too (maybe an 8 ), and we are still just small chatting. I'm basically just teasing her. Haven't messaged that much with either of them. I usually just tease a little then go for the number/date. I have frequently invested too much time in a girl (AL) to only just have them go cold. Wasn't like it wasn't reciprocated though...fools mate?

As I get older and more exp, I can feel my level of care for each woman becoming almost un noticeable (that is until sex). I was talking with a woman on match (probably like a 9 - has a child) and she didn't really respond well... She said "thank you honey" and that she's "looking for something else" so I said replied with my best qualities and that "I'd like to meet her for coffee, not like I'm asking for much." I probably sounded a little needy, but I wanted to prove she's being irrational, and that I'm not gonna roll over. I'm a great guy and I know it. She didn't respond last night, and I don't care too much if she doesn't. She's not perfect, and I'll be on to the next one that will give me the attention I deserve. Honestly, I don't really want a girlfriend. I don't want to get married. I just want to have fun with a girl. That's why the relationship I have works so well. We both know that.

All those ratings are just from photos.


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 Post subject: Re: FR/LR/TLDR
PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:00 pm 
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Had 2 approach opportunites today. 1st one I again was too slow to react. I was leaving my office to go to lunch and noticed a young woman coming toward me in PT gear. I looked at her for a while, but I let her go. It was probably best since it was likely she was enlisted anyway.

I went to have lunch and after I had gotten my food and sat down, I saw a woman pass by and go sit at a table just outside. I got up approached, saw she was on the phone, went back to my table and sat down. Waited about 5 min, then approached again, she was still on the phone, but this time I got close to her, waved to her and saw (phone was in her left hand) she had a ring on. I though to myself for a second and then turned around and just left. No reason to even interrupt her.

RSD talks about trying to become a natural. To help get there, I think you need a good social circle so you're constantly getting out and meeting new people. If you're not doing that, then you are going to have a tough time meeting people. You can still be a machine and just plow through flying solo, but why not go out and be 'naturally' social. A friend just invited me out to play some soccer. We'll see how it goes. Never turn down anything social!


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:35 am 
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Welp... I'm getting into the zone again.. I've spent a lot of the last 3 days out approaching. My numbers aren't astronomical, but they are enough. Enough to make me realize there will never be a shortage of women.
I'm on I think DVD 13 of Blueprint. I really like Tyler's speeches. I've come to realize most of what he talks about, but it's still a good reminder.

I was at the hospital Thur, and saw a very attractive woman with 3 other people (co-workers). I hung around, after I ate lunch to hopefully catch her on the way back from the eating area, but she took wayyyyy toooo long.... I took like over a 2 hour lunch cuz of this. I ended up leaving cuz they never left the eating area and I had to get back to work. Very low chance of running into her again.

Went out yesterday to a Starbucks to trade with a co-worker. I saw a lot of people there (near a college) but there was only 1 I wanted to approach. I was so close to approaching -heart was racing, and everything, I stepped towards her, then she lifted her left hand aaaaaaaaand she had a ring. There was a few others I had eyed, but when I inspected them Last night to the Flying Saucer to meet a friend.

I went to the Flying Saucer last night and didn't see anyone worth approaching at the tables. Maybe later on there were a few, but I had gotten myself into a bind. I asked our waitress to send over one of the other waitresses I was interested in. She came over once, we talked and she said she'd be back.

Tonight I went out to Starbucks to meet a girl I found on match. We had some good discussions.... I can do very well with word play and insinuating sex. We did talk about sex openly pretty much. I touched her hands, her arms, then her hips and her inner thighs. ALl playfully. It's so easy to make up some bull shit, I think I said something like "I'm going to tickle you every time you lie to me" of course this was up to me ;)

So we went back and forth about where to continue.. but she gave me too much resistance. She at first said she'd come to my place, but honestly I didn't want to take her here. Then she change her mind, when I told her my place was messy. I asked about her's, she lives with a woman and her kid... she dind't want to do that. Tho I wouldn't care.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:52 pm 
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Side notes:

I'm on I think DVD 13 of Blueprint. I really like Tyler's speeches. I've come to realize most of what he talks about, but it's still a good reminder.

This weekend I started feeling like I’m in the zone… I had a long 4 day weekend with the holiday, and I spent a lot of time just out and about.

I find that just being around random people helps move you towards the matrix. You really see how many women there are when you are just out and about, and that creates a viewpoint of abundance. Keeping in mind how abundant women are will help you relax, take the pressure off interactions because there will always be another.

Field:

I was at the hospital Thur, and saw a very attractive woman with 3 other people (co-workers). I hung around after I ate lunch to hopefully catch her on the way back to her office from the eating area, but she took wayyyyy toooo long.... I took like over a 2 hour lunch cuz of this. I ended up leaving cuz they never left the eating area and I felt like I should get to get back to work. Hopefully I can run into her again. Looks wise, probably a 9/10.

Went out to Starbucks on Fri morning to trade with a co-worker. I saw a lot of people there (it’s near a college) but there was only 1 I wanted to approach. I was so close to approaching -heart was racing, and everything, I stepped towards her, then she lifted her left hand aaaaaaaaand she had a ring. There was a few others I had eyed, but when I got a better view, I wasn’t so interested. Approaching mildly attractive women leaves me feeling midly amused.

Generally my standards - like most every PUA’s – are in the stratosphere. I only get anxious when approaching a woman that I think are super hot (I'm a big T/A guy - face is a bonus). Realize that no woman is perfect. For me, noticing a girl’s imperfections helps me relax. Once you can truly believe no woman is without flaw(s), it so much that will help your rap; you’ll realize even a beautiful woman is an imperfect human, just like you. This will aid you with the confidence you need to be great with women.

Fri night, I went out to Starbucks to meet a girl (CC) I found on match. She’s probably a 6/7. Cute face, but a lil wide. Nice T/A tho… got to check her out :p she was wearing this black undershirt that showed her chest off well. We small chatted for a while in SB just getting to know each other...We talked a lot around and about sex directly. I touched her hands, her arms, then her hips and her inner thighs just acting playful. It's so easy to make up some bull shit, I think I said something like "I'm going to tickle you every time you lie to me" of course this was up to me! So… after an hour or two, I said “I want to continue this..” and she gave me mixed messages. First she said she wanted to come to my place, then I said no we should get a hotel, then she backed out. I proposed her place, she said she lives with a woman and her child, so that wasn’t an option. Then I proposed she come with me again and she said no. She said she had to go. We went back and forth for a while… so I walked her back to her car, and gave her a groping hug. When she was in my arms, I just went for the kiss on the lips. We did several times. I tried putting my tongue in but she didn’t let me. I then talked with her some more, she of course giving me these stupid tests (if you meet someone tomorrow, would you kiss them?). I tried comforting her by saying we are just going somewhere to continue to hang out, get to know each other. I even said we’re not having sex. She was still giving me resistance. I repositioned her against her car and started kissing her again. Eventually I got my tongue in with hers but it was short lived. At this point I had a slight boner against her belly. I tried groping her Ts but she blocked me. I don’t go after it hard, if they don’t want it I’m not gonna force it. I think I kissed her one more time w/o tongue after talking with her again, and then we said good night. She is still responding to me she is saying she’s busy doing other crap. She’s playing games with me. She calls me, then won’t return my calls, etc. Texts, then won’t text back for hours…. Etc. She still says she’ll come over sometime. So… I’ll keep her. She knows what I want and seems intrigued.

Sat night, I went out to the Flying Saucer to meet a friend. I didn't see anyone worth approaching at the tables. Odd since that’s a college area too… almost everyone in immediate view was older… way older. Maybe later on there were a few, but I had gotten myself into a bind: I asked our waitress to send over one of the other waitresses I thought was interesting. She came over once, we talked and she said she'd be back but she never came back. She and her co-worker used the ‘busy’ excuse like 5 times in about 1 hr. Red flags…. Another one was she never made eye contact with me after I had expressed interest. You would think she would have at least a time or two, but not once. I eventually went up to her and gave her my number (this is always a poor move… no reason I couldn’t have just went up to her and asked for her number and put into my phone). Honestly, I just wanted to prove it to myself I could do it. She didn’t seem interested. Her body was about a 9.

Sunday I putzed around the apt. I bugged CC yesterday and Sat to come over and meet me and again she gave me mixed BS. I’m busy, I can’t meet you, even though she said we would see each other both days or either day. I pretty much pester her to come over and spend the night with me lol… So I started cleaning my place since it is really a shitty apt. I have bugs in there, so I started moving stuff around so that I can treat the place myself. I also don’t have much furniture, so I went shopping Monday. Bought a nice convertible pleather couch/bed for 199 (WOW)!! I’ll try to post a pic. Looks like straight out of a porn flic lmao…. Also bought some baby oil :wink: and a new bed/mattress.

Monday evening I met a girl I found on match probably a 7/8 (R). The place we were gonna meet at was closed, so we just went to a nearby restaurant. We only talked about an hour or so, she had to go get groceries. The good thing was, I could see all her curves cuz she had just come from the gym and was in tight black spandex stuff lol… so of course I complimented her. I realized in hindsight that these types of restaurant dates really do suck if you are going to try to bed girls quickly. It’s fine for a quick meet, but after that, it really gets in the way. I couldn’t really touch her at all, so the next time it’s gonna be somewhere where we are close.

So, taking a page out of the GWM…. when I was with R I started fantasizing about what I would do with her sexually right in front of her. Who knows if it worked, but it definitely got me into a good comfortable state. It also caused me to move a little differently… She might have realized on some level what I was doing lol. This is so good because sending subliminal messages is imperative with women. You don’t say out loud “I’m fucking you in my mind,” you show them with your breathing movements, actions, touch, mood, and through word play. I would make really strong eye contact with her, but she would always break it off with a giggle. A good sign! Making girls laugh is easy, but you have to make her find that sexy guy she wants in her bed!

I swear man this crap seems to come in waves. I am talking to another couple women that I didn't even mention here, they aren't worthy since I haven't seen them one on one, one is off of match, the other works at the hospital and is a military LT. I've seen her a few times around the hospital. of course I'm trying to arrange a meet with both of them. It's key not to rush. Give them space, and time. This is hard lesson to learn since men esp want sex all the time...


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:41 pm 
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Side Notes:

I attached the bed/couch I got.

As I typed before, it’s absolutely critical you set up your place for seduction. My place needs a lot of work, hence my furniture purchases. I should have this stuff for a long time so it’s a good investment. I dropped around $1k for my bad and mattress... gah

I recommend all men that are trying to learn this skill keep a log. It helps you become better through reflection/introspection and occassionally a good outside perspective. I journaled about my trading for 5 years before I finally became consistent.

Field:

Yesterday was a pretty big day. Finally got the courage to go get closure on this girl I saw when I was out on a date a few months ago at the Lion and the Rose restaurant. I went in, and waited around for the door girl to show up. She finally did, but it wasn’t the one. I talked to her a bit to find out if she knew the girl that had worked there previously. From what I remember, this girl described her well. Strong jaw, big eyes, short, dark hair, light skin… She said she moved to Dallas…. ya snooze ya lose.

Since I was already out, I found a Best Buy near the Lion and the Rose, and went in to recycle some old electronics. In the customer service line, I stared this woman down, and she made ok eye contact with me, but I wasn’t interested. I then noticed this girl over in the camera section so I casually made my way over there. She really didn’t make eye contact… I hovered for a little while and played with some of the cameras. She was on the phone speaking Spanish. I’m pretty sure I heard her say “love” on the phone to whoever she was talking about. After she got off the phone she started talking to a customer service rep. I hovered a little longer and started interacting with some customer reps in the next section, so I could keep my eye on her. I hovered in the general area for like 15-20 minutes and they were still talking…. I eventually gave up. She had on tight black pants that showed off a really nice butt, and a plaid red shirt. Jet black hair and red lipstick. Probably an 8. Couldn’t really see her chest tho. I felt like I hung around too long… and she didn’t really make strong eye contact with me.

I noticed another woman there standing near this dude that looked like her father. She was a lil thinner than I like but pretty maybe an 8 too. The more I inspected her the more I realized what it was: She had a youthful look with ALL skin tight clothing, nice gold jewelry, nails bright pink… but the older guy… blading, gray hair, gold bracelets on his wrist, cigar in his hand, tropical looking shirt, nice slacks. Lol… I realized I should have approached him and just talked to him for the shits... find out how to pimp from a mastah hahaha. I already know how though :lol: it involves trickin' money.

I went to two other stores in the area; one was a shoe store, had a few people in it but no one I was really interested in. I talked with one of the employees, a nice light skin black woman in a blue dress that had a nice smile. She was kinda cute, but not really my type. She had nice curves. I peeked into the sports authority, walked to the back of the store and then left. It was dead as well…

Very disappointed; very few targets maybe 3 max. Made 4 or 5 approaches, just not really interesting ones.

Text:

I pushed CC to the limit yesterday. I really didn’t want anything but sex from her. I texted her “I don’t like games,” and “you keep telling me you will see me tomorrow,” which she was doing. I kept saying I wanted to see her, but for 5 days now she’s said “tomorrow.” When I asked her why not tonight, she said she has to buy some boots. So I said “you’d rather go buy boots than spend time with me…?” Anyway, this type of shit I have no tolerance for. If someone’s gonna be difficult, I’m not gonna waste my time. I talked to her a lot about sex already. After texting about this and other nonsense (she called me yesterday and I called her back within 5 minutes and she didn’t pick up) , she finally said maybe we should stop and I agreed. I told her don’t text me again.

I texted pretty much all of the other prospects I have but nothing major. I try to keep it to a minimum and just use it to arrange meets. Honestly that's all that matters anyway. I for some reason want to text incessantly sometimes. I have destroyed potential dates simply by talking too much.

Tinder/Match:

I had this woman match me on Tinder last night that I was really interested in. I always seem to do something wrong. The last one I really wanted a girl I didn't message her and she removed me the next day. Last night, I messaged her immediately. I asked her for more pics cuz she only had 1 and I basically told her to send me her number since I don't use Tinder at home. She told me she added more photos. I told her I couldn't see them. She deleted me like 5 min after.... obv not the best conversation thread. I really need to stop focusing on trivial things... I think it sets off red flags in the womans mind.

Someone favorited me on match last night... I already have 2 people that I'm talking from match and I don't like going on there when I have people interested. I have talked to women about it. They check and see if you are snooping around. Who wants to be second rate? I noticed that one of the girls I'm talking to was online this morning and checked out my profile again.... you can always use excuse "Oh I'm just looking at your pictures..."


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:23 pm 
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One of the keys to doing this well is to be in a slow moving state where you absorb the entire environment, especially everyone walking around doing their thing, in their own world.

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Yesterday, I went to home depot to get some insect repellent. I scoped the entire place out. It was dead. No "targets." I looked at Google maps and it looked like there was stuff nearby (that's why I chose that location there are several), but there was nothing worth investigating that I could see... I really think I need to stick to strips along colleges and malls.

Today, I went over to the hospital today to meet a friend. I like going over there because there are so many more people there than where I currently work. I went to get food and waited in line. I couldn't really check out the women in front of me... but I just asked to several people "Hey do you know what they have?" The Army girl turned around and I saw she was cute. Not my typical dream girl but blonde, 5'9", straight teeth, small nose, big green/blue eyes. Can't really rate the body... the uniforms don't show curves.

We exchanged a few lines about the food, and then I continued asking personal questions trying to figure out if she was something I should go for. She is a medical student doing rotations in anesthesia. Will be in the military for 10 years... lol. As we talked I saw she was a Lieutenant... thank God. Being a medical student you automatically are. Sounded like she might be here for a while but didn't know if she would be stationed here.... This caused me to debate with myself whether I should ask for her number or not.... well I regret not going for it. We continued the chat until we got our food. As she left I she said "bye."

The good thing is I grabbed her name. And thankfully, LTs are rare enough I think I found her in our global email. There is only 1 Army LT with her name... so not all hope is lost! We'll see I hope she checks it cause often times people are so busy that they don't check their mail.

Went out after work today to this place where a few weeks ago I was having eye sex with this girl. She wasn't there, so I again chatted up the door girls so that I wouldn't appear like a creeper. I found out from the manager that they think the woman I was talking about is working tomorrow. So I'll go back tomorrow evening.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:17 am 
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Man... if you go out every day, this crap is hard to keep up with lol! but worth it!! In the last few days, some of the women on my list have rearranged of course. I Dropped R, she said she was sick, for a few days, and I texted her "good morning" a couple times or "wanna go out?" and she didn't respond. Oh well. I still have 5 women in rotation I'm shooting for dates for. I'm not particularly proud of that, but I expect a few to flake.

C - from work
D - date planned for tomorrow from Tinder
K - match
E - Tinder, went out today
J - Pick up at place called Grimaldis

K gave me her # on match last night. Just some few tips; I've been on a hot streak for some reason. My pictures of course show me doing goofy stuff, a couple of them are with women, and I'm in my uniform in some. A couple are of me in groups of people having fun. I usually don't message women about anything to do with their profiles. I make up crazy stories, or ask about things way out of the ordinary. With K, I opened with "Gah... I just want to run away with you down to XXX and just stay there forever!! You're not crazy though are you??" We talked on the phone today for about and hour or so yesterday. I realized, calling women is another way to stand out from the crowd. I called E on Friday and she complimented me saying she's not used to it. Everyone is usually in text mode.

Friday, I went again to get closure on the second girl I noticed when I was out a few weeks ago with a friend at this restaurant called Grimaldis. Before I went to Grimaldis, I walked around to some local stores in the area, bed bath beyond, old navy, and whole foods but they were all dead... however, I regret passing 2 approachable girls... I was moving fast for no reason, and though I slowed down, they never made eye contact with me. One of them had really tight clothing, hispanic, but as I made rounds I saw her face, and I wasn't that interested. The other one that caught my eye was tall and blonde. Walked by her, staring, I think she saw me but just stared up this menu.

I went to Grimaldis after work, in my military uniform (stand out). This is an easy peacock and I'm comfortable in it (except for the heat). When I went to the place, there was a constant flow of people coming in. I did noticed this really hot couple... big muscular guy about 6'2 with this smoking hot Hispanic looking woman... They both had on tight clothing, and looked like a good couple. It's good to notice "naturals" to see how they do it, so us that have to work a little harder can improve. I am trying to put on some weight cuz I'm a little thin. I think it'd help me with women, somewhat. I notice, a lot of smoking girls are with big men. Like not even muscular, just tall and wide... Saw another pretty hot girl with this tall 6'5" maybe white, not really muscular looking white guy with short hair, maybe military.

After waiting around like a bitch, I said fk it and just went in. There were a ton of people waiting to be seated. J was standing up at the front just waiting to seat people I guess. So I went over to her, smiled at the other 2 girls (they were there yesterday). And said "I didn't come to eat, I came for you. Do you have a moment? Let's go outside." So we did and we chatted for about 5 min. She had a ring on her left ring finger, so I asked her, and she said it was a boy deterrent. I actually can't remember the rest of the conversation, but I should have invested more time getting to know her. I told her she better get back to work, and asked for her # and left.

So... after I got J's number at Grimaldis I was going back to my car, there was one woman in a group of 3 sitting at this bar outside that I noticed staring at me, so I looked back toward her, and the two women with her looked as well. I smiled at them and stared back. I went to my car, got my lip chap, and decided to go back. I should have approached as soon as they were staring at me, but I hesitated. Don't think the result would've been different. When I approached, I asked if I could pull up a chair, and they all looked at me and each other. The white red head said "that's on y'all." The other two didn't even say anything. I think I said "Let me guess, boyfriend (to the white one, pointing), married to the Hispanic that had something on her ring finger?" and then I pointed at the Asian one and couldn't think of anything. The Asian looking one just stared at me, and the Hispanic looking one stuttered a few incoherent things and then said "We're doing a ladies night." Wasn't getting a good vibe, so I just walked away. Didn't really miss out on much after I got to full inspect them. :?

Analytically speaking, this is probably why the single girl approach is best. Each of the women wants to avoid looking slutty in front of her friends. We know this as trained men.

Went out Sat with a woman I met on Tinder. She has kids, and was married, but divorced. W/e lot of baggage...I really don't care. I realize, what's more valuable is the life experience. Since we exchanged numbers, I've kept texting to a minimum (not just with her but every girl's # I have). Pretty much said good morning, good night, and expressed desire to meet her. She went out Fri night and she sent me a lot of photos of her and her friend's. I told her "You look yummy... mmmm" :lol: and "can't wait to taste" ... I sent her one of me shirtless. Yes, if you are gonna do this, please do Ab work outs and Pushups. Guess she liked what she saw. :wink:

I thought she was gonna stand me up... she had just woken when I texted her she said. Yea this woman is bad... she was like 1 hr late to the Starbucks .... but I stayed and waited because she was responding to my texts. She said "I lost my keys" and "I went to the wrong Starbucks" lol... whatever, normal girl nonsense.

Anyway... when she came in, I walked up to her, picked her up and squeezed her, saying "That's for making me wait!" She was in a striped dress top with a pink bottom. Probably about a C cup. I am a big breast guy what can I say.... Anyway, I touched everything. Played with her dress back when she was ordering to see her tatoos, tickled her hip when she was being mean to the staff saying "The service here sucks!" cuz it took 3 min to get her drink... We went and sat outside at a table. I touched her knee, (it had an imprint from something)... Wonder if she was getting fucked right before we met... :| touched her arms, grabbed her waist saying her dress is very form fitting. Did everything I could not to just grab her tits... anyway we talked for about an hour while I was fondling her in the open, and she said she had to go meet her mom for breakfast. Ok.... so I pulled "the walk her to her car move," a technique I've begun to really like. I walked her over, grabbed her and turned her around to hug her. I said some things about kissing like "it's been a while since I've kissed someone." She said "I don't kiss and tell" then I said, "So don't tell anyone." She gave me a little more resistance, and I said "It's been so long since I kissed someone." :mrgreen: She puckered her lips after I said that so I went in. Sucked her lips, put my tounge in. She kept saying stuff inbetween like "People are watching us from the drive through." I said "who cares what they think?" then we went back to kissing. WHile I was kissing her sometimes she'd try to break away. I grabbed her and brought her close. I made sure to grope everything. I got to fondle her butt, which she said "OMG you're groping me in public!" But continued to do it. I tried to go for her chest but I think she blocked me. In between kisses I would squeeze her to me. After a good 5 minutes or so, I let her go, holding both her hands as I left I let go.

Trying to arrange a D2 with her.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:43 pm 
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Been a while since I posted... last week my mom came to visit for my birthday week. We went out a lot... so I utilized the time out as best as I could, though I didn't focus really on trying to pick up women. I only saw a few women that I would have tried to number close. We went to the botanical garden, the zoo, and a few movies. The garden and zoo were dominated mostly by families :(

We went to San Marcos where I was chatting up this college girl in a retail store. I was moving towards a close, finding out about her life, but I didn't go for it. San Marcos is like an hour drive from where I am, and she's just there for college. She wasn't my ideal babe so I let her go. She had nice curves, but I wasn't diggin her facial features.

Of course, #s in my phones have rearranged again. The girl I made out with hasn't responded, so I deleted her after 3 attempts to see her again.

I had a one date with girl from match a few weeks ago, she then said for 3 days she was sick. I kept asking her out. I just love girls. She said after our date "we'd arrange something soon". I tried a few times to get her out again but she didn't respond well. I'm not fucking around with you sorry. Deleted.

I have 3 girls I'm talking to SPAM. One is an LT I met thru work. She is playing difficult though... I told her yesterday I though of her as a girlfriend (yes I have met her several times) but haven't dated her. She's always busy, takes long to respond to my texts, etc. Typical woman BS. We texted back and forth, yesterday about that (she took 5 hours to respond to 1 of my texts). She said "How about we start with Hi I'm Candice" I then replied with "OK OK Redo: Hi my name's Adam I think you're sexy. What's your name" I thought that was much better than what I intended before, which was bascially a long explanation why she's not being rational. That was 1700 yesterday, and she hasn't responded.

I got this other hispanic woman's # on Tinder a couple weeks ago. She lives about 1 hr from me. We have a date on Wednesday at like 1930. Her texts come at random times. Sometimes it's immediate, other times it's like a few hours. Oh well, I have a meet.

I'm mainly talking to this one girl from tinder. She's black, has a cute face and pretty sure natural DD titties... I get a boner just fantasizing about her. She had 5 photos on her profile... and sent me one of her in her bra and tight pants (she said by accident) LoL! Very sexy woman. Probably 8/9. Thin waist, big butt.

I'm doing a lot of sexual subcommunication with her... after I sent her near naked photos of me. I mean litterally I'm sending sexual subcommunication in everything. Yesterday she sent me a photo of a salad she was eating and I said "let me eat your salad" (yes usually it's "toss") She said "What?" and then I play it off like "make me a salad and dress it up nice and tasty." I think the sexuality is still there lol... I've been using a lot of smiles and winks. Today we've been texting about going together to paris. Just making up stories and interesting things one after the other. We also talked about not having children so "I can please my woman a lot". I just got finished telling her she's my sexy cowgirl friend. She replied "not even close lol" I then said "I'll make you one" She said "Lol No" Then I said "It's Ok, not all the time just some of the time :)" She then said "Are you making a dirty joke?" I then said "No you're from Texas!" LOL

She types "lol" nearly every comment I make :) We have plans to meet tonight!


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:31 pm 
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Went out Tue with the African woman. She is a little thicker than I usually like but still very attractive. We have been texting all day for the past two days. We met at starbucks, and we talked for like 3 hours. We had great conversation, as usual. We have quite a few things in common. As usual, I kinoed her into oblivion, and I could feel her warmth. We were sitting in a couple of comfy leather seats perpendicular to each other. I turned her a little more to face me though. I did the usual stuff of just making up excuses to touch her. I asked what fabric her dress was, touched her thighs and shoulders acting like I was feeling her dress, not her :mrgreen: Played with her hands alot, she had a ring on so I started with that. Asked her about it, then started holding her hand, longer and longer. She was very receptive, she'd hold on to me when I grabbed her. I made sure to let her see me checking her out (she had a low cut dress top so I could see her tits - I think they are actually like DDD).... bigger than both my hands. I would playfully slap her gently when she "misbehaved" like on her leg or thigh. She started doing it to me eventually. One of the last things I was doing was touching her inbetween her lower thighs. I could feel she was getting very warm lol... I did tell her during the conversation "I want to suck on your lips" when the conversation died and she was prying me for more information... lol I couldn't think of anything. I did the usual walk her to her car and made out with her. II can't remember if we tounged or not... I dont think we did. We kissed for a mintue or so, but then she started pushing me off. I tried to argue with her saying things like "don't you like me?" and "you're turning me on" typical AFC crap. I kept trying to convince her but wasn't getting anywhere, she just kept pushing me away when I grabbed her to hug and feel her up. I eventually gave her some space, since I was holding her close. I held out my hands after I said I'll let you go and gave her one last squeeze and kissed her on the lips goodbye.

Yesterday we texted all day as we did the day before. I have talked a lot about sex with her now. Saying things like "imagine since we get along so well, we will be fantastic in bed together." Stuff like that almost all day lol... So horny without masturbating for a few days. It's almost uncontrollable. I've been trying to blame her for being sexy. I pushed it too far. Last night she said, it's bothering her. So I'm gonna stop. She told me she really likes me (before I pushed it too far). She told me she'll have sex with me but "wants to get to know me really good" before we do. Pisses me off... what if we die tomorrow... then what?

Wed I had my bed delivered. It is a king size platform bed with white upholstery. Perfect for anything you could imagine....

Last night, I went out to meet another girl from Tinder at Starbucks. She wasn't even worth the time. I try to refrain from calling women names, but I can't believe this woman's nerve. She shows up like 30 minutes late (she said let's meet at 1930), and then after I cut the date short cuz I'm not even the slightest interested (and didn't text her afterwards & deleted her from my Tinder matches), she has the nerve to text me and say "You wasted my time! And you weren't even forward about it!" ... I mean fucking bitch! I rejected her like a gentlemen... Guess I should have just stood up when she walked up and said "Hhmmmmm NOT INTERESTED!!"

I did notice when I was waiting around for this woman a couple of young women. This hispanic girl's body was nuts.... Huge breasts, small waist, nice butt, you could see everything she was wearing tight jeans (which she kept adjusting) and she stretched a few times so I could see her chest. Probably a 10 body. After I dumped my date, I hung around and went back into the Starbucks, thanfully they didn't leave. I'm pissed off though I botched the pickup so badly... she was with a friend, and I ended up talking to the friend more than the one I wanted... I found out about them and gave her friend my number. I mean this was the worst pickup... when I was driving away I was like wtf did I do??? Lol... It was like I was on autopilot! I asked their names 2 times and I can't remember them... I am thinking about going back tonight to talk to her and ask her out and take her number.... just hope she's there.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:53 pm 
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So last week I texted this military Lt I liked (C) and I was very forward with her. I told her "I think of you as a potential GF." She completely blew it out of proportion and misunderstood what I said, she replied, "well come on let's be realistic, we don't know each other, we haven't dated, etc." After I revealed that she has ignored me. I didn't blow her phone up. I messaged her the next day saying "What are you doing today?" I think I tried to rationalize with her saying well you should know if you're interested like that in me or not, but she wasn't having it. I just deleted her number. Pretty good fuck up lesson. Don't reveal anything unnecessarily. Not that it would have for sure worked anyway, but after knowing of this person for like a year I had never managed to get her out on a date. She for 2 weeks - since I had started seriously talking with her - had been busy with other stuff. She would sometimes initiate texting with me but ... I just have no tolerance for this, I think I asked her out probably like 3 times but she was never available, yet said she wanted to meet me (I wrote about this above I see).

I went back to the Starbucks near UTSA last week, and tried to find the girl I had seen the night before, but she was never there. The place is always packed, but I didn't see anything else interesting :/ so I just left.

I'm still texting the African American woman... though she's out of town right now so obviously nothing to really report. We text a lot every day. I like that about her. I think I have done a really good job of not acting needy (I told her last night I'm considering letting her go), but then continue to text her (I'm interested) - conflicting signals is good.

Unfortunately, I've had to jerk off a lot recently. I am just too horny and with the women I have floating around am an not fucking... it feels impossible not to. I talked a lot about sex with the AA woman and she asked me to stop... so it was the only way to get my impulses under control.

I got another woman's number from match, but it seems like it might be a pain in the dick to meet her, she is a little ways away from me, but she says she always visits here so... we'll see. She gave me her number after my first message to her lol...

The great thing about developing this skill is you eventually just completely don't give a shit around women any more.

So... last night I was out with 5 women. I was invited out by one of the women that I find attractive, but I haven't really gamed her much. I've known her for the better part of a year. She's very hard to read... I guess by inviting me out she showed interest, but when I was with her last night, she really didn't give me much to work with. Not really strong eye contact, and very little touch. I of course played it as cool as I could, and didn't really feel comfortable going all in hard on her, since eventually we were with 3 other close women friends... Girls my age seem more tuned into how they appear around others and are very careful about looking like a slut. I'm pretty sure I couldn't have made out with her.

Thankfully I was alone with both of the cute girls for an hour before the other 2 showed up and I was pretty sexual with them. Touching their arms, waists, dresses, etc. I showed them a picture of a doll from the mega plex store I took a picture of just to put sex in their head. I picked both of them up (her friend said that she might pass out and I told her I'd carry her to the cab if need be - so I tested to make sure I could though she is tiny so of course it was a joke :) They both liked that and giggled.

When we were dancing, one of the cute ones spilled her drink on her dress and chest and I said to her "you want me to lick it off?" which she said "No thanks" lol.

I ended up driving both of the cute ones around with me lol... lucky me. While we were in the car, we teased each other lightheartedly. At one point, the one that invited me out started asking me all sorts of questions, like those ones you want to know about if you want to fuck the person: Do I have kids, have I been married, are you single... etc. She even told me "I saw your match profile" lol.... So again there was verbal interest. She was looking at my Facebook on her phone while asking me all this crap. Of course I didn't give a shit so i teased her and made up answers like "I'm divorced with 3 children" etc..

We went to Live Ultra Lounge first, which was pretty nice but the girl that invited me out kept saying "There are too many girls." So we went to another club but I can't remember the name, but there we had a blast, we all danced for a few hours. Since I am completely comfortable around people and know how to dance, I could see and feel the eyes from many other women looking at me. Obv this is going to happen when you are dancing with 5 chicks. I was nearly the only guy in the room moving besides like 2 others lol.... You know what they say, never trust a man that can dance ahah!

Honestly I feel like I should have approached some other women... does jealousy turn women on? Since I liked 2 of the women I was with, I didn't feel that was appropriate. I think ousting myself as a man whore around 27 yr old single women is a bad idea...

So... I really regret the end of the night: I dropped the two cuties off at one of their houses... and they hung around for a lil while chatting with me in my car, and I didn't move... I realized I should have just invited myself in... made up some BS excuse ("I'm too tired to drive home") since I knew they weren't going to do it to save face in front of each other, but I didn't. I got really soft in the balls for some unknown reason. They were both talking about boys and sex by the end of the night... they both had a total of like 3 drinks, so they were probably pretty horny... but I just didn't do as I should have. I didn't feel like I should in our group of friends.

When I was driving home and I realized this I called the one who's number I had that invited me out, and I asked her "Did you want me to keep you company tonight?" to which she replied "No." So I politely said, "Ok, well.. good night" again. I then texted her that I would have loved to spend time with her. She hasn't replied.

I feel like the window was open and closed in that time that I hesitated. So... I botched a couple of possible pickups/lays this week but then again who knows. I actually had brought condoms and body oil to use in my car... I should have showed that to them. I should have done more to turn both of them on... God damn it.

One area I need to note to myself to explore is NLP. Seems like an interesting topic but don't know much about it.


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