rather than mope about wondering how to improve my sex peformance, lets get some Kegal action going: http://uk.askmen.com/dating/love_tip_60 ... e_tip.html
Ill let you know results

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This is pick up . . . so anything that connects two people together is a good thing. However, consider giving some thoughts to your last "pick-up run". Is that the way you normally communicate in other facets of your life? Do you typically warn people of a potential no future 30 minutes into a conversation?

Anybody who's getting into PU should have fun with it and try a bunch of things . . . especially things like, "I am horny and you're hot and I'm into you, so let's fuck." - You can say and do a lot of things . . . and some might like it, other might not. Either way, the World doesn't end. It's empowering; and if the horny boy routine fits, do it again, and again. . . but I'm not sure if this is who you are.

Your previous girlfriends were your girlfriends because they were INTO YOU, not because you managed to blast them with overly extroverted sexual messages the first 20 minutes when you met them. You have, and you can attract girls to you, even for one night stands, by accepting and sticking to who you are.

The 'pressure' that you set up for yourself on your car date might have manifested to sexual under-performance but the cause wasn't sexual. You met her through a plastic routine, you dated her through a plastic routine, and you attempted to F her with a plastic routine. Your soul is telling your body, "But this is not who I am. . . "
If you can pick up consistently, (you've already demonstrated you can) then you already have a "tight game". Don't search for style points; it's only good for a laugh or two during a card game with the boys. Instead, search for yourself, accept it, and present it to others. The search shouldn't take long . . . you already know yourself.

Kasabi, you're right. This horny boy routine isnt me at all.

However, it is fun, it is effective and it does work, even a big sop like me can pull it off.

The last routine i have taken into consideration the fact is wasn't all "me". But as i wrote other things definitely didn't help, im going to try a few more girls, if it happens 2 more times.. ill call this horny boy routine a day.

I slightly disagree with girls wanting one night stands while sticking to who i am..
Because who i am is a good guy..or a needy guy. Girls put me under the friendzone or boyfriend material if i am myself.

My normal method of choice would be date the girl.. go on dates first, f her 3 or 4th date in. However, this is inefficient, costly and usually leads to relationships, which i just don't want right now. Not after the last, i want to concentrate on myself, and have sex along the way.

Like i said earlier.. maybe i cant do that. "Your soul is telling your body, "But this is not who I am. . . " - is spot on.
I might flop 2/3 more times with different girls. If that's the case, then i will stick with being me.

Thanks for you're insight kasabi, great as ever.

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Wow... There's a lot going on here. Congratulations bro. Your progress is very impressive. Oh don't worry about that thing. I don't think there's someone on earth who could ALWAYS perform when needed. Just relax and release the pressure. You're there to have fun, not to be her best ONS...

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16th July '12
Good afternoon all, My apologies for not having posting for so long, ive been busy with work, a lot of things going on generally, but despair not! i have a success story to tell - Grab some popcorn, this is a HUGE post

Lets go back one weekend. The day is the 7th of july, Im out with my fellow wanna-be PUA Strauss, one part shopping for a new jacket for myself one part sarging and practising day game.

I must admit, its during day i find easiest.. shop assistants in particular.. its so easy to open with them. Usually their bored out their faces too, so when a interesting funny guys come along, their hooked in an instant.

But i digress..Im at the Bench shop, see an ideal jacket, i try it on. I see my target...
shes easily an 7, great body, dyed red bouncy hair. Not much of a chest..but no matter.

I approach with: "Hey, I need your professional opinion"
(i add that all the basics are used: eye contact, smile, body language/posture etc...)
i follow: "is this jacket working for me?" - and throw in a few silly poses
giggling away she replies:"yea it looks good"

I ask her name, and say if she can keep it at back for me while i look elsewhere, she complies and i leave with another smile and thanks.

So the day passes.. i fail to find anything i like, so i return to Bench, I find her behind the till. I ask if she still had that jacket, she runs off grabs it and starts running it through the till, i ask her if shes worked here long... part time paying for uni? what shes up to tonight?

She replies:" having a house party, you should come!"....

Now allow me to mention im only a newbie..i actually shat my pants that things were actually coming together and working for me - i was like NO WAY!


BUT! i kept composure.. i replied: "im afraid im on a night out too (wasnt true)
-but we should continue this another time"

She says "here let me give you my number"

So.. i walk away with my new jacket and her number. Once out of view a cheer ecstatically to Strauss.

So over the next week, i text her with my normal routine im using at the moment (horny boy)
I tell her im not looking for anything serious, but i am honest, discreet and dont disappear when i get what i want (i dont believe it actually works but it does!)
-let me know if you want more specific text details

We arrange a meet up...

Fast forward to the 14th of july.. 2100, i meet her at a quiet bar. Now i will admit i dont have much of a game of keeping her entertained like Neil Strauss does in the game (uses tricks and mind reading etc..)

However, fortunately my job makes for great conversation - i have plenty of adventurous stories and everyone always seems interested in the RAF and what i do.
I had no problem with conversation topics and making her laugh.
To be honest.. she wouldnt stop talking! Women love to blabber on! the part i found hardest was actually trying to pay attention and not zone off..

In addition.. i used the gunswitch method, sexual framing, escalation. Cat string, push and pull.. It worked a charm.

Hook line and sinker. She had a glazed over eyes, a fascinated smile, i felt i could will her to do anything.
I get close up and looking into her eyes trying to give all the sexual tension and thoughts i could, she dives in to kiss me, we connect and i pull away, saying: " whoa! ive never had a girl kiss first! normally i have to make the move!"

she blushes in embarrassment and says oh my god i dont believe i did that"
. I give her a smile and comfort her: "here lets try that again" - i go in and kiss passionately, her body relaxes..slumps..gives way almost.

After i pull away, she says: "i cant wait to get you back to mine" - i reply again "haha im not that easy, another drink might tempt me though": she runs of to the bar and we have another drink.

I was amazed.. its like its all clicked.. i was sending the girl wild. I would show interest and attraction, she would comply and give back, then i would act surprised and make it out she was the forward one. Then i would show interest again and the cycle repeats.. each time making her want me more.

We get back to hers, she shows me around, we grab another drink and general chit chat.. meanwhile i make sure i escalate further, i play with her hair, compliment on her fragrance, hand on leg, i start moving it, her legs part little by little..

I say, "you still haven't showed me your bedroom!" - "oh yea" she replies, grabbing my hand she jumps up and walks me there. we get inside, she turns around, and starts undressing. - After that gentlemen is obvious

And so there is my first successful F-close. No hiccups, no major mistakes or errors. No floppy penis syndrome.

Dont get me wrong i can still improve every aspect at every point. I still need to use different methods.. try pulling while being a disposable lighter repairman.

The next morning (after laying into her again) i leave, we agree next time im in Bristol we should do it again, i leave and walk toward my car i dropped of last night, i walked with an un-found confidence, completely natural, and the feeling of euphoria kicked in.. Im officially hooked.


Event No. 2:
This one isnt so successful.. i meet up again with Strauss on Friday the 13th, July.

We meet up and he rants on about a new found direction, we talk, discuss and i give him advise wherever i could. I was losing my wingman..

I wish him good luck and he leaves, its about 2330.. i was out in town by myself. I though.. well while im here.. might as well practice some pickup!

Oh how i failed...Its much harder by yourself. Paranoia kicks in, self doubt, people start noticing you've wandered round the bar by yourself for a while now.

Ive never opened to a group. So far its been a girl on the dance floor who turns to me, or day game. But in the bars i went too.. everyone was in a group. Not a single girl to approach. I didnt know what to say, how to break the ice, what to follow with.

So i moved to a pub/rock club favourite of mine. I see a group of people and a target who was stunning.. i wasnt about to walk away without at least trying.

I start to approach the group, and they start to shift and move to a table. SH!T i thought.. and i hesitate, but its too late, im literally right up to them smiling mouth half open about to ask a question. The girls i wanted to pretend to ignore while asking these two guys a question moved away..

So i blabbered out the question, I manage to pull it off, and the two guys converse a little, after realising their group is gone, they walk off.

So i was kind of successful. It seemed awkward for both parties (me and them) I needed more confidence, i needed to care less. I need to make the question more genuine and interesting.

But heres the sad part... After that i stood at the bar. and i was alone.
I just didnt have it in me to approach anyone. Everyone was in a group. I was f*cked

All i did in the end was drown in my sorrows and embarrass myself in front of the girl behind the bar, and a £20 taxi home.

To conclude.. Kudos to me, i gave it a go.
However, there is no way i can improve on my bar game without a wingman/tutor.
If i had someone to walk back too.. to laugh with, give feedback i dont think ill have any problem approaching a group. But by myself? No way. Not yet... anyway.

Thats about it.. I could go on about whats happening with my personal life too, but that would take 4x longer.

Next up: Updated objectives.

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Hey man! I'm so proud of you. Just look at yourself! Look at all the progress you've made in this short period of time. I'm telling you right now. If you continue like this, the bar/club game will be of no problem. Tell you this... girls are at clubs and bars to be picked-up. Girls night-out or girls with their boyfriends are the only exception to this. What makes it difficult is that, as you noticed, they are usually in a group, and that they expect to be approached, so they have their bitch-shield all up.

I'm going to give you an advice for club-gaming. When you approach the group, you must have this genuine vibe that comes off as you're up to nothing, but meeting new people. Everything that happens while you're in the group(the opening, your stories, some negs you throw at the target) up to the point of isolation should look like you're just there to have fun. When you isolate, the story changes to this:

You came to the group, to meet new people, and you found one of their girls attractive, and you want to talk to her a little in person to get to know her better. If you were cool all the way and they are not douchebags they won't have a problem with you two walking off.

And then it's just one on one. Something that I assume you're used to and should have no problems with.

Good luck mate! Keep up all this nice work.

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In$tinct! Good to hear from you mate,

I feel like im on this massive learning curve, however maybe approaching groups is that mythical wall, im trying to meet fellow students to sarge with me, ill find it much easier. I got the theory behind approaching groups.. just like how you advised.
However i dont have the inner game for it, i need to build that natural vibrancy, one girl i can handle. Even two.
But its a mixed group i sh*t my pants about - maybe its worry about handling the AMOG's. - i need to work on that too..

- While i remember: ive created my own opinion opener, i asked this to a girl at a shop:
you do the usual, approach casually, when the opportunity arises:
Me:I need your opinion on something..
HB: oh? whats that?
Me: if you had a week to do anything you wanted, go anywhere in the world, what would do you?
HB: yadda yadda blah (she replies with whatever), why do you ask?
Me: well thats the case for myself, ive got a week off next week, not much to do, im feeling adventurous and need inspiration!
HB: Oh my god thats so cool!
Me; Well hey look, i gotta go, but let me grab your number, and ill let you know how it goes
HB: hee hee yea! here:

Thats how it went, it worked, now you just have to create some adventurous and spontaneous story and its one step easier - its not lying! its flirting!

So anyway, hers my Objective's list!:

So for my updated objectives! Updated: 26th June '12
(green = completed)
-carry out the newbie task

-Get out to practice more. Go to the nearby shopping centre at least 2 time a week
- must achieve 10 weeks in a row to pass. Set at: 15th June '12.
Currently: 5 weeks

(i know its a low amount however its a realistic and achievable goal.)

- i fear of going by myself. Isnt that weird/creepy?. How do i overcome this? - this is still a big objective for me..
- so I tried solo sarging.. and i cant do it yet. Perhaps when ive got tight game and i can pull anyone i like, i could go by myself. But im nowhere near good enough to solo.

-Go out night out at least once a weekend - must achieve 10 weeks in a row to pass. Set at: 15th June '12
Currently : 5 weeks

-Continuously work on inner game until i am totally confident with myself. No subconscious counter thoughts etc.
expanding on this:

1: 10 day positive thinking challenge - upped the anti to 20 days + setting record. Set at: 13th June '12. Currently : 34 days. Record: 34 days!
- This really worked! - granted sometimes i dig at myself or think a negative thought, but it is instantly shot down. My new confidence easily overpowers my old negative self. - and not just a shell either, ive really worked on my inner game, approached my problems that caused me to be self critical and self demeaning.


2:Focus on the present.. not what might happen, or what they might think. When i do that the thought is purely the current frame of mind, - or usually bad and creates fear. I need to focus on just what im going to say, rehearse maybe once or twice and go for it. im almost there with this. i tell myself this every day, i will green it all when its second nature

3:Care less to what people think and say about me. I am what i am, is their problem if they have a problem about me.

4:Dont react or think twice to banter - laugh with people. - This isnt completely natural yet.. Some things have caught me out, however, i handle it a lot better than i used to. Still work in progress.

5:Find out within me why i take things so personal. Why i fear and hate mistakes.. - again - Inner game and i found why. Now i want mistakes, i thrive off them. A mistake is an inch closer to your objective. Not an inch away!

-Complete Chief's guide to outer game
Expanding on this:
1:Familiarise myself with my AE (Approach Excitement) - have no fear approaching super hot women .
- i have made significant progress on this, however, its not quite no fear yet.

2:Carry out opening, the compliance ladder and conversation without thought or hesitation.
- doing pretty well, so far i dont really think about what to say. or bother with canned stuff. i usually think of something to say after "hi" to follow on with.
However, escalation and compliance ladder i havent really consciously started yet.
This weekend i am meeting up with a number closed girl i met behind a bar, so i will try the sexual frame techniques by gunswitch, and see if i can make it a first meeting first shag event.


3: Understand, apply Sexual SFT without thought or hesitation.

4: Understand, apply Sexual Tension without thought or hesitation.

5: Find and manage my expectations

6:Learn how to handle AMOG'S (alpha male of the group)

7:Learn to approach groups, befriend them all, then isolate target

-Once im familiar and completed with Chiefs Outer game, focus and hone my skills, work towards more ballsy approaches such as shock and awe etc.. get more lays.
- So im slowly reaching my goals with chiefs Outer game, its not second nature, or perfected yet. But i am a lot more familiar with it, when im with a girl, im thinking what to do next, escalate, using frame, etc...

-Get good a night game:
1:Learn and apply The skills method to club game
2:Learn to dance..

- Reach Top 20 in a Triathlon race (-keen runner/swimmer/cyclist! - keeps me dtoned and fit - but not massive - im 6"4 already!) - Wont waste your time or space writing my program on here, if you want to know more PM me.
-Complete my home Half Marathon in time of 1hr 39min
- training is BAD at the moment, ive stopped for reasons for about 2 weeks.. its so hard to get going again. - Adding too this.. Training is still BAD lol, its so hard to get back into it, Thankfully im at a new base, ill join all the clubs i can and get my act together!

Regards too all,

Boyo

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Every night is "Girls' Night-Out" and most love amusing themselves by getting hit on. They show off and chat about the hot guys hitting on them and show off and chat about the "clueless nerds" who try to do the same. Some characters need to be "snuck out". Some need the support of one or two of their friends through a few bounces to different spots before they go off with you. Others will simply announce to their group, "I'm off to _____ with ____. Don't wait up." Not too difficult to figure out where she stands after a brief conversation.
This is the pua paradox isn't it? Everybody knows that women love the attention and love to be approached but can and often do act bitchy when they are approached. A few thoughts in no particular order:

1. Women are usually more receptive to 1 on 1 approaches because we all know it's 'nice' to be 'nice'. They can be a bit weird when they are in a group because:

2. Girls are preoccupied with social order. They know where they stand and where every member of their group stands. They are preoccupied with keeping that order. It's amazing how much even the fat ugly homely girl of the group will WORK to keep her position intact.

3. Because of #2, hitting on the fatty of the group first is typically a bad move. This is unnatural. It usually gets their "What the hell is this guy up to" radar spinning.

4. Hitting on the hottest girl first is usually a bad move as well. Nobody in the group wants to lose their "guy magnet" right away. The hot girl of the group brings attention to the entire group and once she leaves, so does the fun. Why do you think those mother hens are so protective of the pretty ones?

5. Approaching the group as an entity of its own is usually a bad move as well. Every decent sales person will tell you that even when he is addressing a boardroom full of execs, he is "really" pitching to one person. And it's usually the guy who he deems to be the most influential to that particular deal. Sooner or later, you might address the whole group but pitch it with one girl in mind. (The one who is most influential to the deal)

There may be a few other things that I've left out but most of all this is just a guideline. 90% of it just jumping into the set and beginning a conversation:

Take a look at this thread from a while back . . . a few funny approaches to the "approach". 2-vt88119.html?postdays=0&postorder=

I wasn't speaking clearly for which I apologise. I didn't talk about regular girls' night-out. I was talking about the rare type when they REALLY don't want to be approached. It happens. Just as sometimes I go out with my friends like no chicks that night, the same goes for women as well.

I competely agree with your group-theory.
I suspect it's not really the inner game that is missing. It's not really like you have two different inner games one for one girls and another for mixed sets. What you miss is only experience.

Don't worry about the AMOG. It's very rare that they get physically agressive, especially in a club where there are securities and other people. And other than that, what else can happen besides learning?

You're talking about you "need" to build natural vibrancy like it's something you need as much as food. Don't put these kinds of pressure on you when you want to sarge. "I need to create attraction" "I need to act like it's natural" "I need to do this, I need to do that". You simply address a goal: "building a natural vibrancy with a group" It's not something you NEED it's something you WANT. And then you go out and practise it. See what works, see what doesn't work. Repeat. In the end you will get there.

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I love this place!

After i finally start understand body languange and the workings of the female mind (on a one to one basis..)

Kasabi comes along and blows it out of water with group theory! haha.

This is an ideal place to satisfy my ridiculous drive to better myself.

I guess the best way to understand this is too get out there and see for myself.
I just need to find that nudge..
Thanks for the link, its a good read.

@ In$tinct, you right mate, as i said before.. after thinking about it my inner game is alright, i just need to do it and learn from it.
I remember a quote from somewhere "the less you appear to be trying; the better you do" - Keep to myself, do it with the intention of getting experience or genuinely wanting to talk to them - the approach i used to overcome my AE.

Also, a thought..... im single, i dont have many mates to be honest, my work doesnt allow that, all my workmates disappear on the weekends.
-To the point.. taking inspiration from Neil Strauss's "The Game" and yesman - next time i have leave, rather than sit on my ass all day, ill arrange to meet with a PUA in another city, in another country.
Go for an adventure, and learn Pick-up while im there! - What do you think/any cautions or tips?

Lastly: I highly recommend the movie: YesMan. I found it bloody hilarious, and you can learn a few lessons from it too.

Thanks guys, ill return your time and advise into results!

Regards,

Boyo

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19th July '12

So today i went out solo to the shopping centre.
I really hate being by myself and i think this effects my performance.
Ive come away positive though - i think next time i wont need a wingman because:

Ive learnt something today.

Im not in pickup to gain the ability to talk to every women i see. When i see a girl i really like, i want the ability to talk to her, to find "the one".

I thought all the answers would be here, through things like routines and canned material.

In fact, we need to do less. We all already know how to pick-up women. Its instinctive and primal almost.

For me, going to up her with confidence, without doubt or hesitation. With a genuine interest to get to know her is all you need. Go up and just say hi, and ask about the first thing you like about her.

Make it obvious your interested in her, have a cheeky smile, have a sexual frame, ask her name, ask what's she's doing tonight, ask whatever comes to your head.

If you cant think of anything else, or feel its turning into an interview. Dont force it! it happens! Just say you gotta go and then ask for her number.

She says yes or no. At least you tried!

This above method certainly isn't the "tightest game". I wont be able to pick-up any women i want with this.

But today i learnt.. its just not me, when i try to be something i not, using routines and pretending to be the greatest guy on earth.
I get more nervous, i over think. I worry about what im going to say.

If i take the approach of not caring, just being me and saying hi because she hot and i want to get to know her. Maybe that's the secret after all.

I wanted to share this with everyone, i feel like its a Eureka moment haha.

I will add however.. This doesnt mean i stop here. I still have a lot to learn. This forum has helped me in beneficial ways, ive become aware of sexual frame, body posture and language, eye contact and inner game. Without you guys i wouldn't of got here in the first place. So thanks

Regards,

Boyo

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That's pretty much all there is to it.

Still . . . doing 'less' is whole lot different than 'doing less after knowing a few things'. You'll continue to pick up a few things here and there but seriously, there's no pot of gold or anything like that at the end of this little rainbow. It's fun isn't it?

It appears your wisdom is rubbing off Kasabi! Full steam ahead and see where this takes me hey?

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pretty cool journal man

you seem very focused and stick to achieving your goals, along with learning hella fast.

and kasabi you have amazing advice. I swear with that avatar i feel like a sensei is talking to me.

overall i appreciate your journal boyo, it's real motivating =)