***Nosedive, Crash and Burn***

May 2012

Online. 36 year old 5'10" brunette. HB9. We knew each other twelve years ago, flirted, talked back then, were attracted to each other but we never hooked up.

The backstory. I got help from PUA's here: -you-look-like-trouble--vt135969.html?highlight=

....and this is how the date went (copied from link):
She sent me a text that night:

HB9: "I'm home now. Thank you for a great time tonight. I'm so glad it was you. hope you made it home safetly, call or text me so we can make plans again soon."

I called her the next day (Sunday). No answer, left no message, no call back, no text back. I knew she was at a cookout. But who doesn't take their phone to a cookout? I know I do.

Monday she texts me:

HB9: "Hi _____, I saw I missed a call from you yesterday. I was at a cookout all afternoon. how was your day? Are you going for a ride today? I have to work.... "

Me: "Yep, hitting the road now. Sorry you have to work. I'll try calling later."

Later that evening I text her...

Me: "Hey, I'm out near you (city name), would you like to meet up for a drink?"

HB9: "I can't - I'm supposed to have a call any minute now with a co-worker about a presentation we're doing tomorrow. that's why I had to work earlier too. Maybe later this week?"

Me: "Can't get out for an hour after that?"

Me (10 minutes later): "Maybe later this week sounds good. Take care."

Me (10 minutes later): "Actually it doesn't sound good. Sorry all I heard was "I can't, maybe later *excuse*, nice catching up with you _____, good luck!"

HB9 (1 hour later): "Um, okay. Just got off the call and saw all 3 of your texts. I'm sorry but tomorrow is a big day for me. anyway, good luck to you too."

Me: "I don't do maybe laters. They are a clear indication of "not interested". I hate dating. Think I make a connection then it's flake city"

Me (10 minutes later): "_____, I'm sorry. It was not my intention to rush you. My problem is that when I feel a great connection (which is rare), I nosedive, every time. It threw me the way we met, and I would love to see you again sometime this week."

HB9: *No reply*

Now when she said she couldn't come out for a drink, ---> All I had to say was
"Ok have a good night"
or
"Meet me for a kiss after the call."

My desperation and neediness is ruining perfect opportunities for great things. Everything was perfect until yesterday. Everything from the way we met again after 12 years, to our chemistry, our attraction, her interest in me...all good. I was thrown. Then I nosedived. There goes another (perfect) one. Well, at least I didn't get emotionally attached and then dumped like with my last 2 girlfriends.

Lessons Learned:

-I am still a desperate, needy, clingy, AFC....but only when I am interested in being with someone. With women I only want for sex, I do not act that way.

-Less is more. Silence is golden.

-Wait a few days to call

-I need to study up PUA.

-Women have to adapt to MY life, MY time, not the other way around.

-I should give up the chase.

-I'm fed up with women, they make us play games all the time.

WOW!

I think subconsciously you wanted to blow this one!

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They call me the cat whisperer, cause I know exactly what the pussy needs.

Dude!!!? I am speechless...I will think about how to respond and post my thoughts later.

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Crypto...
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All girl's are Freaks...It is your job to bring it out in them! - Crypto

You need to stop bending over and letting her ass fuck your brain! - Heywood

Dudeee ahhh it hurts me that you failed that one! I think she liked the you being DIRECT and telling her exactly what you wanted. LIke when you told her to meetup at a time and place and then said "wear something tight." She said she loved the directness, and then you WENT COMPLETELY OFF COURSE, and started ASKING her if she wanted to hangout instead of telling her.

I think this one was just a case of you kinda went to nice and soft in those text messages, and you definitely spammed her with wayyy to many txts, which you already admitted you were aware of. Shit I hope you can recover!

***Refuse To Submit***

June 2012

Online. 25 year old 5'7" redhead. Beautiful and unique with a sexy body. she is 11 years younger than me! I contacted her first in May. We flirted on the site, traded numbers. After a few days of texting, one day she didn't reply to a few of my texts. So I tried a PUA one-liner:

Me: "I want to pump my cock deep inside every one of your tight little pretty holes and leave my creame filling in them every day!"

Her: "Lose my number"

Me: "Oh NOW she talks!"

Tried to get her to talk she ignored me. A month goes by. I sent her a text:

Me: "What are you doing cutie?"

Her: "Who's this?"

Me: *drops a hint, she said be an adult and tell me who you are, I send a pic she says:

Her: "Oh, I see."

Tried to get her to meet me, she declined. A few days go by, I text her again, she tells me she's got boyfriend issues. Asks me: "Lol, why do you keep trying with me!?" I tell her and she ignores. I say some cocky/funny things she tells me I'm not funny but annoying, and again tells me to lose her number. I said:

Me: "I haven't touched a woman in ten years. I was alone for a long time just getting back out there. Excuse me for being akward and...whatever with you. It was not my intention to offend you or be mean. Well wishes."

Her: "Ok. Cool."

The next day she messaged me on the site to text her and she'll explain (explain what I'm thinking?) I did and we texted each other for hours. Her boyfriend was a douchebag and an asshole. Next day I was meeting a friend nearby her place (she lives more than an hour away), and we met and I spent the next two days with her. We slept together took a shower together made out went to the beach went out to eat...

Over the course of the next few days she tried backing away, telling me that I could have any other girls I wanted, to forget about her, that she wasn't sure about a relationship, etc etc etc. I didn't relent. I followed through with my girl and stayed at it,

And now she is my girlfriend.

Lessons learned:

-Don't give up, if you really want someone.
-Women are fickle and their minds change often.
-Sweetness mixed with cocky/funny, and just being myself works best, I don't need one-liners and pua "skills". Women are attracted to me for my inner game, not my wit and charm.
-Got what I wanted, now I need to work at keeping her.
-I will remember something a smart pua said here once: "They are all bitches. They make us constantly play games. We can never let our guards down."

***Refuse To Submit Part 2***

June 2012

Well that relationship didn't last long. I got into a motorcycle accident Friday June 8th. I was on my way to see her. When I texted her from the ditch I was in while waiting for the ambulance, her reply was something along the lines of "why does this always happen to me?" - as if I stood her up! That should have been a major red flag, and it was. I got pissed and let her know. She told me to lose her number - for the third time.

Next day we made up, I spent the last three days with her, getting TLC. Only I was tired and stuff on pain medicine, and she was being a bitch, and I was being an asshole.

I told her "I'm getting my stuff and going home, you're avoiding me, ignoring me, I feel like you want me to leave, and I'm sitting there playing with myself. I shouldn't have to play with my fucking self when my girlfriend is sitting right there in front of me."

She freaked out and started bawling in tears, shaking, crying. I told her to pull herself together. When she settled down ten minutes later we hugged and made up, but I'm thinking the whole time: "This is one crazy, unstable chick!"

She totally disrespected me the next day, resorted to namecalling...we broke up badly in text.

Lessons learned:

-25 year old girls are immature
-Red flags are called warning signs for a reason, I shouldn't ignore them
-She can treat me good but be a major bitch, the bitchyness eliminates good deeds
-Watch out, you might get what you're after. The good thing about her was that she was 25, the bad thing about her was that she was 25. Oh well, it was fun (mostly) while it lasted. And I got the pussy several times.

Some good, tight 25 year old pussy was just what I needed!

***Refuse To Submit - Part 3***

June 2012

So after the breakup, she texts me the next day and tells me she misses me, wants me to come over, that she would give me a second chance. I say "Will I be spending the night?" She tells me it depends on my attitude and that I need to kiss major ass. I'm thinking this chick is crazy, I never kiss ass!

So I go over there, we fuck twice. I find she's a bitch 10% of the time, and sweet/funny/ 90% of the time...

In the morning she tells me "I'm your girlfriend again". I say I have to go, she wanted me to spend all weekend with her but I couldn't stand her morning bitchyness and wanted to leave, actually I did leave her house at 7:30 that morning with the thought of not returning, but I'm undecided if I want to persue a relationship with her so I came back. I mean she's 25, sexy, owns a house in the country, has a stable job, and is all about me. So I don't want to bail on her her and regret it later.

Texting daily, will update progress soon...

Lessons learned:

-Don't burn a bridge after a breakup
-Don't make hasty decisions

***If It Smells Like Cologne, Leave It Alone. If It Smells Like Fish, Do What You Wish***

June 2012

Online. 5'1" brunette. In her pics she's a solid 8. In person, a 7. We met for ice cream, then went to a bar. She was kino'ing me, we kissed, hugged a litle bit. When I told her I'm a lightweight when it comes to alcohol, she told me I could crash at her house, she lived close-by.

We had talked about going to a bar near her place, leaving our cars at her house and walking there. After a little while she looked at me and asked me:

Her: "What are you thinking?"

Me: "Thinking about making out with you."

Her: "Do you want to skip (bar name), and just go to my place?"

Me: "Yes, I need some TLC."

(I was wearing a big black air-boot for my broken foot, had a motorcycle accident 9 days ago...)

Her: "I can do that for you and more. I have food, drinks, and Netflix at my house."

Me: "You're perfect, drink up and let's get out of here."

Chilling on her couch, we start kissing but she's not using tounge. Strange I thought. But where she misses in one area she may blow my mind in another. I point to her other couch and say:

Me: "Is it okay if I sleep right there?"

Her: "You can sleep in my bed if you like."

Me: "That would be nice."

We go outside on her patio for a smoke. She says we could cuddle, have sex, ar go to sleep, whatever is my pleasure. I tell her I want it all. We make for her bedroom, we undress, start stroking each other, we're naked kissing, stroking, rubbing. I ask her if she likes to suck dick, she says No. I say I don't like eating pussy so we're even there. Laughs. I tell her to put a condom on me she does, then ask her if she wants to ride me. She gets on, rides me for like 15 minutes, then I say

Me: "I want to be behind you."

Her: "I don't do doggie style."

Me: "Then I want to be on top of you."

So we change positions and I fuck her missionary (I did pull one of her legs up though). After about 5 minutes I smell fish. Her pussy is excreting a fishy odor. It makes my dick go soft. So I push fully inside her, fake cumming, then ask "where is your bathroom?". I go to the bathroom, wash my dick and balls with soap and warm water, take a piss and return to her room.

I tell her I will never get to sleep if I stay here, so I'm leaving. She asks if something is wrong and I lied and said no, it's just that I don't sleep well in someone's house especially a girl I just met, and especially in the same bed.

Okay so she doesn't kiss with tounge, doesn't suck dick, doesn't do doggie style, and her pussy smells like fish. Definately not a keeper. I did tell her I liked her and wanted to see her again, before I left.

Lessons learned:

-Fishy odor is from Bacterial Vaginosis. Antibiotics cure it, and tampons dipped in yogurt inserted for 3 hours three days straight will get rid of the smell. Garlic too. Thanks google.

-I don't have the balls to tell a girl her pussy smells like fish. What is a good way to inform her??

-I can fake cummin with a condom on, it was a pretty good performance.

i think you have some insecurity issues....

I absolutely do. In my defense...anyone would after ten years alone. I am overcoming them the hard way of course, through trial and error!

***4 Month Update***

In the past 4 months of being active with women again, after ten years of absolutely nothing, I have banged or gotten head from 12 females. Had three girlfriends, the longest relationship lasted a month and a half, the shortest was one week. While I have approached women in person, gotten a number or two, every single one of these physical connections were made through online dating sites. I have tried with several times as many as have made connection with. Online, my experience so far looks like:

-Straight out rejected/ignored about 50%
-Got a conversation started but lost interest about 20%
-Number closed and lost interest about 10%
-Met in person without any sex/head afterward about 10%
-Gotten sex (at least once) about 10%

Twice I have been totally rejected/blocked by girls I met online, and through perseverance, I eventually fucked one several times and got the number of the other.

Several times women have messaged me first then I nosedived with them to the point they didn't respond. Once I had an awesome date with a HB9, only to reveal my desperation and neediness in the next two days over text, and she lost interest.

I have figured out some of my weaknesses, some of my strengths. These are:

Strengths:
-Good looks and 6'0"
-Cocky-funny attitude
-Unique approach
-Good liar
-Confidence
-Bad Boy image/lifestyle
-Motorcycle
-Total freedom/no responibility
-Good pussy eating skills
-Good at sex/dominant in bed

Weaknesses:
-HB9-10 are my weakness
-I'm too easy/provide no challenge
-Not good at flirting
-Not funny and witty
-Average dick size
-Desperate and needy
-Insecure in relationships
-Not a homeowner
-Piece of shit car
-Cigarette smoker

Currently, the quality of girls I am meeting online has increased signifigantly. My conversation skills online have gotten better through trial and error, and I have improved my profile by adding more flattering pics, and changing my about me. I have several fish on my hooks, number closed many HB7.5-8.5 in the past two weeks. One HB9 who I nosedived with in text, then spun my "I haven't touched a woman in ten years" routine on, now calls me daily to coach me about the dating game, she said she wants to "take me under her wing" and "turn me into a shark"...I have to figure out a way to play that angle to get in her pants!

I have met one PUA member in person with plans to go sarging together, however I currently have a broken foot from being hit by a car on my motorcycle, and I will be out of commission until at least mid July. I hope to hook up with a wingman and number/kiss/f close girls every weekend in the future. Just like old times!

I'm so grateful to the many PUA members here who offer advice and share their stories. This truly is the best source of game on the planet, and has helped me get back in the saddle these past few months. I hope to give back in any way I can. This is my new home!

More updates to follow soon!

-Jericho