-I agree, people should work on themselves before looking NLP and the mind of the women.

However, Once youve mastered the inner game.. where else to go next but to the other persons mind?

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Well, after all the stuff I've done I don't really need to STUDY women. I just do what I should be doing and it all works, even without knowing what girls are up about.
And NLP is also for inner game, actually, mostly for inner game.

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I see your point. But don't you wanna get some more tools in your PUA life? i mean, i've been an alpha since birth and i wanna learn more. besides mastering this, i am learning nlp method. I prefer more methods than using the exact same method because it's kinda boring. i wanna experiment and share what i've seen and experienced. 2 years of pickup led me to an ocean of knowledge and now, im like google and im happy about it.

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Vin Dicarlo's types aren't 100% accurate but i like the idea of a system to determine which techniques will work on women.

Realist - Idealist: Dead on. One of my favorite ways of figuring this one out is i ask a girl if she considers herself a "good girl" or "bad girl". You can always tell a realist because she will pick neither, a realist defines herself by a much mort complicated set of traits and beliefs. "Good girls" are idealists who believe in the whole disney princess ideals, "bad girls" are idealists who believe in rebellious ideals. "a little of both" is my favorite, these girls are well rounded idealists who usually have a bit of realist in them as well. They are usually more flirtacious and a lot of fun in bed, they tease and like to be teased! Other types include the "girl next door", a good girl who only turns very very bad in bed and the bad bad rebel who secretly craves obedience! So as far as idealists go, theres a whole other range you can narrow it down to to improve your effectiveness.

Deny - Justify: Not so much. There are lots of women who do both! These traits are, in my opinion, unrelated! Although women in denial respond well to passiveness, innuendo, and sarcasm while women who justify crave safety--they need you to tell them that its ok to feel how they feel, and make it ok for them to express their sexuality.

Test - Invest: Also unrelated! I feel that Vin is oversimplifying it by putting them on opposite ends of the spectrum when women are like a bunch of different mixtures, all poured into one glass in different amounts. In fact, the same women who test you initially might invest all their time and energy into you once they believe you are good enough! A big indicator of whether she's a tester; does she read people magazine / cosmo girl / etc? These manipulative techniques are learned, not inherent.

I suggest reading the Pandora's box before you comment. I agree that he is not 100% sure about what he says but he is close to accurate. I see that you don't understand the fundamentals. Testers and Investors are related. to clarify, testers look for more partners and just try to pick the best one while Investors size up men by the time they interact with one, if they have the potential, they would FOCUS on him. Testers don't focus on ONE but they want orbiters and wants to benefit in all of them. see the relationship? Do the research yourself, mate.

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Field report using Pandora's box viewtopic.php?p=679448#679448

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blimey, i'm gonna print this out and read it, thanks!

I've read the system. I just don't agree that girls are either/or like that. Some of the things he's making black and white is more like a full on greyscale. And some of the things he's making either or are completely unrelated phenomenons. Whats more important than making sweeping generalizations and deciding "this is what the girl can and can't be based on her actions" its better to learn how to USE these phenomenons to your advantage, rather than worry about what it says about her. You can say that just because she's in denial and testy it makes her a playette but its just flattering your ego with a unified all knowing label. Thats the same reason politics is failing, they're too concerned about labels like "neoconservative" or "bleeding heart liberal" to actually seriously pay attention to the subjects they're discussing. So lets pay attention to the real important matter here: you need to know how to use the fact that she's in denial to your advantage, not preassume you know what it says about her.

I don't wanna argue. You've got your point and i've got mine. another thing here is that i've been using the pandora's box and had no failures yet, and i won't change my ways just because of someone. i kept on using my inner game plus this one and it works. That's it. I've got my methods and you've got yours, use what works for you. All of the methods has flaws even natural game. I just picked the one i'm interested in and just wanna share it. well, thanks for your feed back

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