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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:04 pm 
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Hi guys! I just joined today.I am a 39yr old man from Manchester,UK.I started learning about PUA/Venusian arts within the last two/three months.

I will say with honesty/openess/no shame.. as i am human!..that previously my success with women has been unsatisfactory.Oh, have had "some" success with women in that i have dated/pulled a fair few in my time,a bit hit and miss as many guys have,but can i honestly say i have dated the ""9"s/"10's" (I'm finding there's lots of new terminology to learn in this "game".I will learn their meanings but am careful to not let it define me) and the hottest girls,and do so at will as well as have those girls as friends and be able to capture their attention/hold interest and be a guy those girls really wanted/desired to be around above/over some other guys...no! It's fair to say i watch as some other guys take the girls i desired and i and other guys end up with nice women(looks arn't everything) but not always the girl i wanted.You/me watch and scratch your head wondering what techniques/attitudes/charm/conversation skills they have,as men,that is lacking in my/our own selves.It does make you feel sad deep down to have this happen.It does knock self-belief/confidence(and that's bad for future attempts/downward spiral) but that is why i am highly pleased to learn there is something i can do about it via PUA training,to make myself into the type of man women are attracted to.To work on my inner self so the outer game/dating/pick-up just comes naturally.(I'm learning a lot with this study!).I know learning PUA is great but won't solve all my problems.I know with success in pick-up you then are faced with new challenges/problems ie how to keep a relationship going.It's just something to apply to my life in my own unique way and make it my own techniques and way of living in ways that are natural,unique to me as an individual.

To sum up i would say before PUA training i deftinately needed some help with my techniques/attitudes and ideas to add to my own life/personality and improve as much as i can.I do not wish to be the "Don Juan" type ie hundreds of women, but rather the "Picky"/"Cassanova" type ie a few highly selected women of top quality, and i shall try and stay with quality,not quanity personally....as i heard "David Deangelo" basically talk about, as i am sure many of you guys heard of.As i am new here/new student,and many of you are so far ahead of me i will be mostly quiet/explore the site/get a feel for what's going on here and won't be attempting to teach anything, although i may at some future time point some people to any good teachers i find/books/dvd's i know, although really, i would rather listen/learn and i am sure you already know of them already and many others i am yet to discover.

That brings me to how i learnt of all this PUA stuff.I started with David Deangelo,and purchased lots of his dvd's/cd's and then i have gone on and bought many of the dvd's/books he said to aqquire/study.Started watching/reading those.Then i learnt of "Mystery" (bought his book),then "Gambler" and got the "Stealth Attraction" dvd's.I am relieved to find British PUA trainers/teachers as sometimes there are slight differences in mindset/thinking with British and American culture and with the British PUA's i feel a bit more at home,although i'm loving the American stuff also.Early days for me/lots to learn yet.Then i bought "Ultimate Natural Game" and learnt of "Adam Lyons"/"Reflex"/others etc etc.I'm still only half way through watching this for the first time.This is where i'm up to so far.Loved the "Kezia" interview and great to always learn things from the women's point of view.

I would say i don't wish to learn game/PUA to trick women into going with me.I don't wish to learn to manipulate women.I am a guy with morals and just wish to be a man that women go for naturally.One they are attracted to and mould myself into a well rounded/high thinking guy (i like to think i am anyway and the PUA is just adding to myself/own current life/skills/personality) and be a healthy/modern/positive/adult male with decent morals who gives women what they want in a man.Nothing wrong with that.I am sure women would rather have a guy who studies this and applies it rather than one who stays the guy which women don't like being around.Women wear make-up etc and men can do these things.We all have our Darwinian "Fitness Indicators" haha...see..i'm learning fast! )

Of course the whole thing for me will end up with one woman/love marriage and a good circle of decent quality friends and have a happy life.PuA for me is just another tool to add to my toolkit as a modern thinking positive human being who likes women just for being themselves and not for what i can get from them.I like being around women.They do not have to sleep with me for me to like them as people/individuals.If nothing comes but friendship then it's ok.I do not have to date every woman who comes on my radar screen haha.A good social life,success with women of my choice who also choose me."Pre-selection"...another skill i'v learnt ha.

I need to go right over all these dvd's and start making some notes.It's been a blur/flurry of a huge amount of info thrown at me in a short time and will take little while to digest it all...but!..already having success haha.I mean,as the PUA's say you have to "Apply" it rather than just learn it! I know i started altering my body language soon as i learn how.I started with body language and also have bought some smart new clothes/threads to help things along.Can't help but feel more confident in them to start with.First impressions and all that! Anyway,i went to a Manchester bookshop last week.I guess i'v always been a bit of a "Renaissance man" in that i study/learn books as often as i can.One subject i got into was spiritual studies.A spiritual book that was put on sale last week came out in the bookshops so i went to Manchester(UK) to have a look at it.I sat down with the new book in a comfy leather sofa reading it in the bookshop deciding if to buy it.The table with the same books was right next to me and i purposely sat right next to it.If a girl i liked came and stood looking at the same book on the table i could simply start convesation about it with her.Leaned back in my chair(using body language)and took up space and read my book.Sure enough 2mins later a cute blonde comes up to the table and picks the book up.I say something simple about the book and show her i'm reading it and we get into conversation.I ended up taking her to a coffee-shop and we had a great chat all about the subject of the law of attraction(a spiritual subject currently popular).I was testing out "Kino-escalation" (Thanks Gambler") and drank our coffees/teas.She had some weird "green tea" haha.I kept it all in the comfort stage.I then walked her around in the Arndale shopping centre and took her in a gadget shop selling novelty toys/gizmos and the convesation was fun and happy and a really good time.Anyway we swapped numbers/email and been texting a bit and arranging another meet-up.She doesn't seem to have "Buyers Remorse" as such but does say wants to meet up after her holiday which she is going on next week.Am hoping it's not a delay tactic that she uses for while and then decides to not meet again, but i decided to not push the meet-up with her,keep away from any pressure and continue with my PUA training and am looking at gaming the next girl.I am learning not to place all my eggs in one basket and have other options always coming into my life.I do like this one though.She's from Czech-republic and is a really nice blonde friendly great girl.If i end up dating her i will discontinue any other dating but continue my PUA training.Think i will always do that whether i'm in a relationship or not.I love the training/intellectual side and lots to learn.Wish me luck! And that's all from me for now.Thanks for reading,anyone that has! Ophiel.Ps i did actually pull a girl the other week in a library and was testing body language out ie leaning back etc.I already knew this girl a bit so made chatting easier.I did end up sleeping with her the same night although we didn't go all the way.I guess all that's another story though ha.

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Hey guys! And thanks for the kind welcome.I just bought "Lifestyle Seduction" dvd set.Can add that to my growing collection of PUA training materials.It has "Gambler" and "Adam Lyons" as well as others i have not heard of (since i am a newbie to all this) teaching in the dvd's so i am looking forwards to watching that when i receive it in the post.

Like i said in my first post, i started with David Deangelo, and i came across his stuff by way of a dating site.Yeah,i have been on various dating sites previous to PUA and still have a profile there.I think i have had my fill with dating sites and want to concentrate upon meeting women face to face rather than my laptop screen as you can spend a lot of time talking to them and they don't always tell the truth as to looks/lifestyle and so forth.I guess men are worse haha.But,i do have the David Deangelo "Meeting Women Online" dvd set so i need to watch that as i have only glanced at that so far.It is an extra tool in my toolbox to create a great online dating profile and do some "sexing up the documents" and then if i do it right,you have a steady stream of women sending you emails and is one more way to have people flow into your life whether it's for potential dating or friendship.I am up for both.So i do not turn my nose up completely at internet dating at the moment, it's just i wish to learn face to face skills.

I said previously i have started buying lots of dvd's which David Deangelo recommended,and one i enjoyed was "Roger Dodger".I also re-watched "Topgun".Not seen that in years."Office Space" was another.Loved the absolute cool/indifferent way the main character approaches Jennifer Aniston.It's true what the PUA's say and there is nothing to be afraid of in approaching women.You will never see most of them you approach anyway afterwards if they turn you down(which doesn't kill you,i have had my share of that and i make a statement now like.."Oh well,take it as a compliment" but don't follow my advice as i'm a newbie obviously and the PUA's will probably say that's wrong ha.Like i said that was how i used to do things before PUA.I already have got over my "sheer terror" in approaching women previous to PUA in my own previous attempts in my life, but what was lacking was skills in what to say/Really decent clothes/image/body language and so forth.Incidently i used to go to areas pretty far away from my own town and approach women there.that way if i made an idiot of myself in the approach or whatever it was alright since nobody knew me and i simply got on a train back home and i was fine.If ever i did make a mess of it they wouldn't even recognise me a week later even if i walked past them in the street in their town again.They soon forgot me as the next guy came up ten mins later! It's nothing.No problems to do it like that if it helps in the beginning.Try that like i did,rather than on your own doorstep where everyone knows you etc.I'm sure the PUA's would agree with that in the beginning at least,although some guys have tons confidence anyway and just go for it with the women around them.Depends on you and your situation i guess.

Looking back at some approaches i did then,i mean after learning just a little of PUA and looking at how i used to do things is cringeworthy and i can see why the girls tended to say they had a boyfriend, or "no thanks"...blah blah.But who cares,i made mistakes.I'm still standing! That's how i learnt a bit anyway to conquer my nerves (i still do get nervous in the approach but not as much as i did years ago.I guess a lot of times my opener would be something like a compliment and then to simply go straight for the number.Wish i had PUA training when i was a lot younger but i'm 39 and in reasonable shape without looking too bad (not Brad Pitt but looks in men help but arn't everything anyway i'v learnt).I look ok though although i might be biased haha.

Alright, i'v rambled on enough once more.Remember confidence comes by doing that which you fear.You fear the approach then go do that and let the chips fall as they may! Your ancestors faced/hunted/fought lions/tigers and wolves and they still moved in for the kill against their own fear,and if they could do that then you(and me...i'm learning this too) can surely approach women.They are not all lions/tigers and wolves that will rip you apart...although some are if you strike lucky!!! ;-) haha) Your grandfathers/great grandfathers (and women too) had to face/conquer a level of fear you can only guess at how severe it was ie storming the beaches on D-Day in the second world war...or any similar situation faced by any soldier/warrior in countless wars/battles all throughout the ages right back into prehistory and we are their ancestors and they survived all that and you have their warrior fire in your blood/veins just like them, so i think of that when i do the approach and you could also think that with the approach haha....just leave out the actual killing part.Easy tiger! It's only a wee woman after all haha.Remember Gladiators...."Strength and Honor"!!!

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Hey guys.Am not sure if i'm posting this in the right place, but i really wanted to pass this on.I hope this story i will give in a moment is taken in the humor/open mindedness/fun with which it is given, and i am merely posting this as a possible amusing story to tell to women whilst talking to them with your PUA.I know via David Deangelo that lots of PUA's tell women interesting/amusing stories (storytelling etc) and i am proposing this one as a potential cracker! Of course you would have to decide for yourself if it is appropriate for the type of woman/women you are talking to but i think in a club with a open/broad minded sexually minded woman/women it would be a funny one to get into.Change/alter it as you wish to fit it into your own style etc.It deftinately! needs shortening some more but i gave as as much as i could for you to draw off.So! Here goes!...

Oh, hmmm i guess first you ought to somehow swing the conversation around to history/ancient pagan beliefs/mythology etc etc.The following came from a ancient poem and so i have not made this up but put into basic words in places/shortened it.I have the original link saved in my drafts.

The story of Volci...(the story is from about 14th century but i think the actual event was in 1029).This must be a viking age?? A "Volci" is a...well...you will see!

Soooo...there was an old farmer and his wife,living in the North of Norway in a area far away from the main inhabited areas/the high road, but right next to a harbour good for warships,along with their two children.A son and daughter.They also had a slave and slave woman.The farmer was sensible and passive,his wife however was bossy and ruled over the household.The son was merry/prankish/rowdy.The daughter had quick wits/common sense.The farmer also owned a large hunting dog(a bitch).

In late Autumn, the farmers horse died.(I think it was a stallion).Since people ate horses there/then and the horse was fat,it was utilized as meat.While skinning it the slave cut off its "member"/"dangler"/"Phallus"...cough...you know! (i'm trying to keep this clean so it doesn't get deleted haha).(Ancient poets apparently named a horses thingy a "Dangler").As the slave cut it off and was about to throw it away the farmers son ran by laughing,caught it,and took it into the parlour.There, his mother was sitting, accompanied by her daugther and the slave-woman.He shook the phallus at them,shouting mocking remarks and uttered..

Here you may see
a vigourous phallus
severed from
a father of horses.
For you, slave-woman,
this Völsi
is not at all dull
between your thighs.


The slave-woman roared out and laughed, but the farmer's daughter begged her brother to take away the disgusting thing. The old woman stood up, approached her son, and took the thing from him, saying there was no need to waste a thing which might be of use. She then went into the kitchen, dried the member carefully, and wrapped it in a linen cloth along with leeks and other herbs, to prevent it from rotting, and then laid it into her coffer.


All that autumn she would retrieve it every evening and address it with a prayer of worship, believing it to be her god, and making the rest of the housuhold accept this heresy. By the power of the devil the thing grew and became so strong, that it could stand upright by the old woman, when she wanted it to. She made it her custom to carry it into the parlour every evening, where she, first of the household, recited a verse over it. She would then hand it to her husband, who then handed it to the next person, and so on, until the slave-woman received it. All were expected to recite a verse. Each person's attitude was apparent from their statements.


It so happened, before King Olaf was forced to leave the country by King Knut, that he directed his ships along the northern coast. He had learned of this promontory and the pagandom practiced there. Since he ever strove to convert his people to the true faith, he told his pilot to change course, and make for the harbour, which lay below the promontory, since the wind was favourable. They arrived there late in the day. The king ordered awnings to be spread over the ships, and told his men that they should spend the night there, while he wished to visit the farmstead. He was accompanied by Finn Arnason, and Thormod Kolbrunarskald.

Wearing grey cloaks to disguise themselves over their garments, they walked towards the farm, when evening fell. They entered the parlour and seated themselves on a bench. Finn sat in the innermost place, Thormod in the middle, but the king closest to the door. They waited until it was dark, but no one entered the parlour. Finally the daughter came, carrying a light. She greeted them, and asked them their names, but they all said they were called Grímur. She kindled lights, and looked frequently toward the guests, especially the one who occupied the place closest to the door. As she was about to leave for the kitchen, she uttered the following verse:

I see gold on the visitors
and velvet robes.
I fancy those rings.
I'd rather be crippled than tell a lie.
I recognize you, my king,
you have come, Olaf.

Then replied the visitor, who was closest: "You are a wise woman, so you will keep quiet about this."

They exchanged no other words. The farmer's daughter left them, and soon the farmer entered, with his son and his slave. He seated himself, and his son next to him, and the slave farther away. They teased the visitors about their courteous manners.

Then things were readied for a meal, a table pulled forth, and food served. The farmer's daughter sat beside her brother, the slave-woman beside the slave. The three men named Grímur all sat together. The old woman was the last to arrive, carrying Völsi in her arms, and approached her husband's seat. She is not said to have greeted the visitors. She unwrapped Völsi, placed him on her husband's knees, and recited this verse:

Enlarged art thou, Völsi,
and raised aloft,
enriched with linen,
supported by leeks.
May giantesses
accept this holy object,
but now, my husband,
you must accept Völsi.

The farmer responded coldly, but accepted it anyway, and recited a verse:

Were I in charge,
this object of worship
would not be presented
on this evening.
May giantesses
accept this holy object,
but now, my son,
take care of Völsi.

The farmer's son grasped Völsi, cocked it up, handed it to his sister, and recited:

May your bridesmaids
bring you a cock.
They will make the prick
wet tonight.
May giantesses
accept this holy object,
but now, farmer's daughter,
pull Völsi into your embrace

She was far from enthusiastic, but was bound to follow the custom of the house. She handled the object hesitantly, but spoke a verse all the same:

I swear by Gefjun
and the other gods
that against my will
do I touch this red proboscis.
May giantesses
accept this holy object,
but now, slave of my parents,
grab hold of Völsi.

The slave received it, and recited:

I'd much rather
have a loaf of bread,
thick and lumpy
and very broad,
than this Völsi
on a working day.
May giantesses
accept this holy object,
but you, slave-woman,
press Völsi against your bosom.

The slave-woman took it tenderly into her hands, embraced it and stroked it, and uttered this verse:

Surely I would not be able
to overcome the temptation
of thrusting you into myself,
if we were lying alone,
pleasuring one another.
May giantesses
accept this holy object,
but you, Grímur, our guest,
get a hold on Völsi.

Finn held it in his hands. He spoke a verse:

Long have I been moored
off many coasts,
hoisting sails
with agile hands.
May giantesses
accept this holy object,
but you, Grímur, my comrade,
catch hold of Völsi.

He gave it to Thormod, who inspected the shape of Völsi very closely. Grinning, he spoke forth the following verse:

I have travelled wide,
but never before did I see
an erect phallus
being passed along the bench.
May giantesses
accept this holy object,
but you, chief Grímur,
now receive Völsi.

The king took it, and recited a verse:

I have been a helmsman
and a forecastle-man
and a leader
of all the troops.
May giantesses
accept this holy object,
but you, dog of the household,
take charge of this monstrosity!

He then threw the thing onto the floor, where the bitch instantly caught it. When the old woman saw this, she flew up in extreme agitation, and spoke:

Who is this man,
this stranger,
who gives to dogs
this holy object?
Lift me over the hinge
and the door-beam,
to see if I can save
the holy sacrifice.
Put it down, Lærir,
let me not see such a thing,
and do not swallow it,
you evil, murderous bitch!

The king then threw off his disguise, and all knew him. He then preached the true faith, but the old woman was reluctant to accept it, while her husband was rather more willing. With god's help and Olaf's zeal they all finally accepted the faith, and were baptized by the king's court-chaplain. They observed the faith ever since, as they became aware of the object of the faith, learned to know their maker, and realized the evil and perversity of their former ways, which are despicable to all good men.

This shows how king Olaf was deeply concerned with getting rid of all evil practices, paganism and sorcery, both in the remotest parts of Norway and in the central inhabited areas of the mainland. It was of great importance to him to introduce the true faith to as many as he possibly could. It has since become apparent, that in these things as well as all others, he was performing god's will.

The End!

Ok i putlots of the original story/poems in as i am about to go out but i am sure if you wanted you can use the storyline above/shorten it and keep it funny and then use in a storytelling to some girls??? What do you guys think haha.Deftinately needs shortening but that's for uou to do! I found it funny anyway!

Ophiel.

ps it obviously is a Christian trying to convert the "pagan's" to Christianity.Apparently Christianity was descended from a religion called Mithraism, and that was connected to mushroom/mystery cults and...but that's another story! ;-)

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Hey again guys.I realise i have to post 50 or so messages to be able to post into certain parts of the site,and also these posts i do here in the introduce yourself section might be deleted at later date so i will keep them shorter,and also save anything i do that's useful/interesting for later posts.

However i don't wish to just post any old rubbish to get my count up ha.So, i guess i will give a bit more about me,or anything i think of ie ideas or things.

By the way i am loving the idea of "naturals" ie those who are just naturally attractive and interesting to women anyway.I think part of that is just by having your own interests and doing your own things for your own advancement/enjoyment and not so much for the purpose of developing interests purely to attract women.Of course doing the old Salsa lessons for instance is useful and i actually took a few lessons (about 5) a few years ago.Yes,the idea in my mind was that there would probably be lots of women there and i would be a liar if i said that wasn't in my mind when i took the decision to go ha.Maybe i will try again.I left due to changes in my job...but yes!..there were many women and they outnumbered the men at least 5to1 so guys...get your asses down to some classes! Good experience.All helps to build your "Renaissance man" character (David Deangelo subject).

I think doing things like that is great and you can try out that and maybe a load of other classes/subjects/interests and see how you get on.I think over time you find things you as an individual enjoy doing/studying much better than other subjects and will perhaps gravitate more to those.Some things you come across might not actually have lots of women involved in it and so should you drop it?? NO!!! Not in my opinion,as you are doing it for you! I reckon from what i already know and what i heard in my new PUA studies that you develop yourself for you and do your own inner game and become an interesting person for yourself.You could fake some interests ie say you love Salsa and maybe get away with it for awhile to "impress" some girl who maybe loves it and get your date.But? in time she will sense you are faking it and don't actually love it the way she does and you won't be a natural but a guy faking an interest.Maybe by trying out Salsa and giving it a really good effort and a chance you will find you do love it but maybe a intuition guides you to ballroom dancing or some other style and you love that instead.When you do things you love it shines from your every pore and people just know you love it and really enjoy it.No hiding it!

Hmmm,where am i going here with this.I guess over time you find interests that you yourself love,and you do that and practice/study that.You are a natural in those areas of your life.Come across women with interests in those areas and you have it made! But if you spend your whole life doing things to impress women(and trying to impress doesn't work with women i hear) then you are not being you.I think it's ok to branch out into other areas esp if lots women there and you want to be around lots of attractive women which this is about but i deftinately think the natural way is best and doing things for you and doing the things you love shows when you do them and women sense when you are not doing what you love.Women deftinately know/sense things we men are up to/thinking.They are very sensitive on such subtle levels.

I know one film called The Tao of Steve has the rules of steve or some such thing (i need to buy that film.Only seen clips on Youtube)and i agree with what he says about if a woman even senses you have a agenda to sleep with her or something like that then you are out and finished and it's all over ha.You should check it out on Youtube.Women sense the subtle things like that.You can't hide it from them.But the thing is you shouldn't want to or need to pretend to a woman you like things you don't in order to impress them.Get your own character.Get your own individuality and develop it and create it and paint your character upon the world as the artist that you are.Get your own interests etc for you! Not her or any women or women in general.Be you.Be interesting.Be unique.Find your own style/way.Be a natural! Me,i guess i'm heavily into spiritual studies ie lucid dreams/astral projection and law of attraction and mythology,and things like that.It's alright when talking to women into that subject but if i talk to a girl not into it i can not always relate to them as well although i can still talk ha but like i originally said i am not getting the 10's etc which is why branching out into many areas is best.

I guess i can't really teach as i am as new as many other guys here but these things do make sense to me on deep levels.I guess i don't tend to meet that many people esp attractive single women and i need to get out lots more to places where i do.If i am honest here,i spent a couple year staying indoors and not going out as much.Why? Kinda lost my way and my self-esteem and my confidence a lot after i lost my brother(found him myself after he took own life etc) but i'm getting out again and this study has really helped put the pieces of my life together again esp watching David Deangelo and it's kinda inspired me to get my act together and take the bull by the horns again and i can no longer be a "But"! man..ie i would get out and about..but!...or i would start appraching women...but!! You know the clip/guest i mean in the David D dvd? By the way i'm working my way through the 77laws at the moment taking notes in my notebook.Can take it to work and read it on my workbreaks to help me along in my study.

So there i guess is another post.Bit longer than expected is an understatement ha.I guess i'm just gonna be me.Be me but a better me.Me but a highly improved me.Me, but me coming back to life with my own spoon to take my share of the world's dessert! But doing it without trying to cheat women.Just grabbing life while i can and getting out there...(can't do that purely inside our houses can we and we can't do it if don't get involved with actual people and real live women).Being that responsible high thinking and high minded adult male.Hopefully they (women) will just like me for me.Isn't that what we all want deep down,us men.And, of course there is more to life than just women but that's another story ha.

Ophiel....hopefully on the path of a natural.

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Hey all.I was just looking on a dating site in the discussion section and a girl had asked the usual/common question ie "What happened to all the nice guys"? A guy wrote a reply which i thought gave a lot of insight to me and i wanted to share what he wrote so you can take a look for yourselves.

Quote:..."WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE NICE GUYS?

I see this question posted with some regularity in the personals section, so I thought I'd take a minute to explain things to the ladies out there that haven't figured it out.

What happened to all the nice guys?

The answer is simple: you did.

See, if you think back, really hard, you might vaguely remember a Platonic guy pal who always seemed to want to spend time with you. He'd tag along with you when you went shopping, stop by your place for a movie when you were lonely but didn't feel like going out, or even sit there and hold you while you sobbed and told him about how horribly the (other) guy that you were fucking treated you.

At the time, you probably joked with your girlfriends about how he was a little puppy dog, always following you around, trying to do things to get you to pay attention to him. They probably teased you because they thought he had a crush on you. Given that his behavior was, admittedly, a little pathetic, you vehemently denied having any romantic feelings for him, and buttressed your position by claiming that you were "just friends." Besides, he totally wasn't your type. I mean, he was a little too short, or too bald, or too fat, or too poor, or didn't know how to dress himself, or basically be or do any of the things that your tall, good-looking, fit, rich, stylish boyfriend at the time pulled off with such ease.

Eventually, your Platonic buddy drifted away, as your relationship with the boyfriend got more serious and spending time with this other guy was, admittedly, a little weird, if you werent dating him. More time passed, and the boyfriend eventually cheated on you, or became boring, or you realized that the things that attracted you to him weren't the kinds of things that make for a good, long-term relationship. So, now, you're single again, and after having tried the bar scene for several months having only encountered players and douche bags, you wonder, "What happened to all the nice guys?"

Well, once again, you did.

You ignored the nice guy. You used him for emotional intimacy without reciprocating, in kind, with physical intimacy. You laughed at his consideration and resented his devotion. You valued the aloof boyfriend more than the attentive "just-a-friend." Eventually, he took the hint and moved on with his life. He probably came to realize, one day, that women aren't really attracted to guys who hold doors open; or make dinners just because; or buy you a Christmas gift that you mentioned, in passing, that you really wanted five months ago; or listen when you're upset; or hold you when you cry. He came to realize that, if he wanted a woman like you, he'd have to act more like the boyfriend that you had. He probably cleaned up his look, started making some money, and generally acted like more of an arsehole than he ever wanted to be.

Fact is, now, he's probably getting laid, and in a way, your ultimate rejection of him is to thank for that. And I'm sorry that it took the complete absence of "nice guys" in your life for you to realize that you missed them and wanted them. Most women will only have a handful of nice guys stumble into their lives, if that.

So, if you're looking for a nice guy, here's what you do:

1.) Build a time machine.
2.) Go back a few years and pull your head out of your arse.
3.) Take a look at what's right in front of you and grab hold of it.

I suppose the other possibility is that you STILL don't really want a nice guy, but you feel the social pressure to at least appear to have matured beyond your infantile taste in men. In which case, you might be in luck, because the nice guy you claim to want has, in reality, shed his nice guy mantle and is out there looking to unleash his cynicism and resentment onto someone just like you.

If you were five years younger.

So, please: either stop misrepresenting what you want, or own up to the fact that you've fucked yourself over. You're getting older, after all. It's time to excise the bullshit and deal with reality. You didn't want a nice guy then, and he certainly doesn't fucking want you, now.

Sincerely,

A Recovering Nice Guy."...end quote.

I just saw myself in that "platonic guy pal/nice guy" wrote about in this guys message! Need to not be him anymore!!! ???!!! At least, if you want the girl that is!?! Anyway,there it is what i found.Ophiel

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