I am fairly sure she likes me seriously, but I also think she senses that I'm a player and she doesn't want to get hurt. I met her at her store and she would give me free stuff from the store and I eventually asked for her number. She gave it to me and came to hang out a few times. We kissed and hugged the first night. The second night I got a boob grab. I wasn't sure what type of girl she was, a slut or a good girl. But I sort of got a little clingy and too emotional. Right around this time her job opened up a second store and she became the head manager at that store. Apparently according to her she is now working 12 hours a day 6 days a week and she has everyone in her social circle on hold including me. It's hard to believe because right around the time I got sort of clingy was when she stopped texting, but it was also apparently the same time that her second store opened. I am really torn on whether or not I pushed her away with my clinginess or she's really just busy. She has a daughter and a lot of debt and she told me her daughter comes first before anything so she's apparently trying to pay off the debt.

After reading deeper PUA philosophy I get the impression she's making me work for it. But I can't tell if she's really just busy, or if maybe I really did turn her off by being emotional. I am really into her. I am seeing another girl who is super nice and the sex between us is great but I am not head over heels for her. A lesser man probably would have settled but I want something better. This other girl is really attractive and she really seems like the kind of girl that I would fall in love with. I am really attracted to her heart and her person. She has character. But I think she's also playing a game (obviously they all do) to see if I'm really willing to invest in her, huge debt, kid, and all. I'm sort of torn on that too. But she's way better than these other hoes running around out here. Meanwhile I'm trying to work on my face to face game and I still want to play the field for sex. But I've always wanted love and it seems like there's a spark with this girl. In my mind I've always been turned off to how girls play games, but I know it's a way to ensure that I'm serious about her. But I've never been one to chase. Obviously the smart thing would be to lay back and wait to see when she gets time off from work. But does she want me to invest in her more? Or would it be a mistake to chase her?

Is never a mistake to chase a girl as long as is not coming from a place of "need".

I always chase and do my best if i like a girl and the dynamic is right and perhaps is the right thing to do.

You should always overinvest in a non-needy way better than NOT investing and LOSING her because of the underinvestment.

If you want it GO FOR IT.

The difference is you KNOW this girl likes you and is also invested.

A noob KNOWS the girl doesn't like him and keeps INVESTING. Thats wrong.

You already have a solid foundation of attraction in the relationship, you can invest all you want aslong as is from a place of GIVING value and not TAKING which is the foundation of REAL LOVE.

I'm not going to go in to more detail because this fucks people heads up and confuses them.

Is a very delicate topic. And yes it involves tons of pussy.

Somehow when i say GIVE and not take guys think they shouldnt want to get laid or want love in return. NOPE.

You should want it, just not need it.

Ill leave it there i think i went off topic.


Conclusion:
Invest all you want from a place of
1. Not needing
2. Share your masculine essence
3. Give her an opportunity to invest back
4. If she doesn't at least you tried MOVE ON like a real man with your head up high.
5. Theres tons of pussy out there for you.

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You seriously still positing about this girl man?

The same advice applies to all of the old threads you have made about her. I don't see why you think anything would of changed just because a little time has passed it.

You push, they pull. Opposites attract, the same poles of a magnet repel one another. This is nature.

There is no such thing as a "clingy" guy in a happy and healthy relationship. It just doesn't happen. He's either a burden on himself or on the girl he is dealing with.

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I feel like every time you try to give advice it's somewhat negative. Don't get me wrong, some of the things you say are pretty good. But seems like a negative overtone all the time. Just saying. Maybe things are developing more slowly, or maybe they're not developing. Does it matter? It's my situation not yours, so why be a dick? Maybe I'm looking for a little more insight that you can't provide. Or maybe some encouragement is in order. Ever think of that?

I'd be less inclined to invest in her, and much more apt to short her.

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Lol

Hang around the forum a little longer and you'll see thousands of guys posting your same exact story. With the same exact turn out. Just different names. You want to go on living the fantasy, be my guess. I'm talking to you like I would a brother. It's not negative, it's reality. You want fairytale like optimism. Stop being a baby dude.

My tone is an overtone of concern. I would rather see you investing your time and energy into something with a bit more potential. So you can cut the over sensitivity out. If you talked to the girl like that i'm sure she'd find you more attractive. People always play the tough guy role with people trying to help them, all while being nice to the very girl stringing them along and wasting their time. The world we live in.

I'll leave you be from now on.

Peace

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It could be reality. Maybe it is. I'm not living a fantasy, I know that there's a good possibility she's got me in the friend zone. But you haven't considered that she might really be busy. Working 12 hours a day and coming home tired to your daughter isn't easy. Or it could be that that's just an excuse to get rid of me. I don't know, and neither do you. But you're coming at it from a position of absolutes. It could go either way. It may be that she lost interest, or it may be that she really doesn't have time to hang out. I don't know. I'll find out over time. I'm not going to put my faith in the fantasy as you call it. But if I called her out on it a few times and she keeps saying the same thing maybe she's telling the truth. I mean I texted her and asked her where she lost interest in me. I told her that I thought she had me in the friend zone and she said she never didn't want to hang out with me, but that she has all of her friends in a state of hold because she's working so hard to get back on her feet, pay off debt, and probably get her own apartment again (her last one burned down in a fire that was semi her fault). So she has some big life challenges right now. I believe that's true. But as far as how much she's really busy and how much time she does or doesn't have idk for sure.

It sounds like you're just mad that I'm not buying into everything you're saying. You aren't always right. But I'll tell you this much. I'm not going to sit around and wait for her. I'm still out sarging. If she comes around then cool I'll consider her again if she was really telling the truth about being so busy. If not oh well I'm still talking to other girls. Keeping my options open.

Oh boy, are you fo real ?

Do you have an original thought or opinion of your own or are you just here to bash?

Bashing

Excellent !

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You're right, anything is possible. You may get with this girl by chasing her. She may get drunk and suggest a three-way with you and her daughter. Again, anything is possible. But there are varying degrees of likelihood.

The odds heavily favor her either not being interested in you because you didn't make a move on her sexually or because you got clingy. Or that she really is busy with overtime. I had a situation like that.
I knew a girl and she was working 6 days a week for 12 hours as well. She was doing it to build up a nest egg to divorce her husband. She was legit too busy/exhausted for me for months. Finally, things got less hectic for her, we met up and hooked up. I was actually surprised when she randomly hit me up out of the blue like 3-4 months after I'd last seen her. But most stories I could tell you with a similar setup(she says she's "too busy") end in us not having contact and not having sex. Because that's what happens most of the time.

Chasing her won't help. If she's actually interested, she'll either make time for you, or reach out when she's not legitimately too busy.

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Guy gives you honest advice when you ask for it.... and you call him a dick for doing so. Gotta love it.

You've got a long ways to go buddy.