Last night I used the gay opener ( maybe not as an opener, but threw it in immediately):

"You're so adorable.. If I weren't gay, I would -totally- make you my girlfriend.." (immediately put arm around her waist and kiss her on cheek)

Despite the fact that I dressed pretty flamboyantly, women's sun glasses, etc , they seem a little surprised when I say this. It totally gets bitch shields down.. I can't tell you how much easier it is to escalate kino when you tell them you're gay..

Before I would wonder-- OK, when do I break it to them that, despite how I dress, I'm really straight?

No worries whatsoever, lol... I would say within the first few minutes almost every girl says "you're not really gay, are you" I skip right over the question as if I didn't even hear it. They know I'm not gay.. at least they think..? By the end of the conversation they -know- I'm straight, by that time I've already run major kino and built rapport..

This opener is money...

Good to see this man. I've been telling guys the same thing, lol. Don't worry about "getting out of it", the girls will know before long.

dude, i never even thought of using this on a bitch shield....i was up against the biggest bitch shield ive dealt with thus far friday night and was havin difficulty with it(i finaly managed to get it down tho). This woulda helped so much.

I dont know about acting gay, but geez if it works maybe i should test it in the field lol

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You ain't got to act gay. Just be very friendly towards her! One you already dress very nice and probably are peacocking. Two your just having a good time. If a woman thinks your gay she will either try to convert you and she will let you touch her body up and down.

Great opener!

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When a woman sees a good looking guy approaching, even before the guy opens his mouth, the chick will think "well, what do we have here?" and secretly pray he doesn't turn out to be a douche bag.

Women WANT to be picked up.. I believe that most women are optomists, as well. They are ROOTING for you to not fuck it up. She -wants- to go home with you.. It's your's to lose.. and most guys do, lol

So, when you use the gay opener, you are a good looking, stylish, cocky guy approaching, and you have personality!.. The woman will think- "hey, this could be good!" But then you burst her bubble by telling her you are gay.

There was (and still is) an instant attraction, followed by "too bad, you can't have this.."

It's brilliant... It is catstring, non-neediness, and automatically puts you in the prize frame.

Here you are-- good looking, funny, out-going.. if only you weren't gay.. At this point the woman lowers her bitch shield and decides to have some fun and enjoy your company. Here is where you win her over-- DHV, kino, etc. Build attraction... The woman gets more and more frustrated because you have demonstrated quality, however, she knows she can't have you.. She will fantasize about you, though when you drop routines putting the two of you together, sexually, in a story (skinny dipping, for instance).


At some point during conversation and kino escelation, she begins to wonder if you may like women after all. When you kiss her, she knows she has a chance with you. Her fantasy may come true, but she's still in limbo-- "is he really interested or is he playing around? Or, is he even gay at all"

AT this stage, you ideally want to pro-long this mysterious behavior for a while. Make her wonder. Make her push you to see if you will react-- Make her game you

When she finally wins you over, it will be like when her dog that ran away came home, or when she found her lost keys. At last! This is really happening...

Last night I walked up to these two girls at the bar and ran some kind of opener... I negged the girl next to me about her outfit. She said "what do you know about style?"

I said "gay men know this stuff"

HB You're gay?

ME: Yep, and if I see you wearing this rubbish again I'm gonna call the fashion police and tell them we have a 367 in progress.. code blue

(laugh)

I tell her she has decent body.. I run my hands up her legs and over her ass She lets me.. Then she starts asking me for fashion advice.

I said, hey, I came to the bar to get a drink, but to consult fashion-challenged women. I suppose next you're going to want to go shopping with me..

I'm still kinoing her, touching her ass, tits (briefly, touch and go), as if I'm somehow "measuring" her with my hands to decide what would look best on her, lol...

At this point they no longer believe I'm gay.

She was persistant:
"WHAT WOULD LOOK GOOD ON ME"

ME: Boy, you're awfully demanding.. Is she always like this? Why should I help you?

(this continues on, I keep changing the subject but she changes it back. I TOLD her I'm not answering her fashion question)

She says "fine.. see ya" and her and her friend turn and walk away a few steps (slowly)

Here's the best part.. They're waiting for me to say "ok, come back"
They walk a few steps, stop, look back at me waiting for me to tell them to come back,

Instead I barely turn my head to see them out of the corner of my eye, say "peace!" and flash them the peace sign and then turn back away from them.. not giving a shit they're walking away

NICE my man. It's good to have students like you

I bet you're gonna have fun with the gay thing for a while, lol.

Definitely.. What's funny is that I got a lot of:

"You -dress- (or -look-) like you're gay, but you don't act like it.. You're not really gay, are you?"

I blow right by this and keep pushing kino..

The gay opener is brilliant because it gets you in the door-- You are a guy who dresses flamboyantly, even wears women's sunglasses, lol, but you don't act gay.. This leaves the girl perplexed.. and curious..

Exactly, and the mixed signals are SO important.

So did they come back to you, or just leave you sitting there looking gay?
If they came back what kind of close did you nail? A number, some kissing, f-close, anything?

A few of us in Casanova Crew use a sort of Gay opener as wings. Been playing around with it a bit lately.

Wing enters set and puts his arms around the set leader's shoulders, looks at the girls and says playfully: "Are you girls hitting on my boyfriend?" take it no farther than that and continue on with the set as if it had never been said. They never even ask about it.

It's funny as hell and always gets the girls to open up and start laughing. Let's face it, we're guys. They know why we're talking to them. In my opinion shows them you have a sense of humor and are comfortable with your sexuality, not to mention I'm sure there are very few guys who aren't in the community that would be comfortable telling girls they're gay. haha.

On a side note, sometimes I rock a scarf and used to use it opening sets by asking them if it made me look gay. Then I go into a story about how a guy hit on me the other day. From what I've experienced I've not only gotten compliments on the scarf, but also on my looks, and my confidence to wear a scarf in public. It's also a good chance to get kino(you can push away from a girl and then bring her in close by placing it around her neck credit:Mantis) and some girls feel compelled(for some reason) to grab the scarf after I tell them the story, which lets me slap their hand and say "I didn't tell you that you could touch! That'll be five bucks."

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NICE. Well, your whole post, but especially this part, lol.

I don't even have to mention the part about "being" gay. Apparently, from the way I talk and act (I gotta admit, I'm pretty flamboyant when I'm in the mood), they instantly draw attraction from my high energy self, so my foot's already in the door before I even say a word. It's only when I'm AFC that I actually have to try to open a set.

Plus I also had a great gay friend who put me in touch with my sexuality. I would recommend having a gay friend to any guy here on this forum. There are many benefits, especially if you're friends with a gay alpha.

I was friends with this guy named Ernie, and watching him taught me many things about social interaction. This guy, even though he was uber-fairy, would simply OWN any room he walked into. People loved him, even my blue-collar straight friends. Fucking amazing force of personality.

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