although that sounds fucking hilarious to me and most guys, i think to a girl that would be downright mean. especially, if she has friends around or there are other people around listening. that could potentially be a slappable offense.

I must have no idea what a fuckin neg is then. I thought it was a light insult that you say as if you mean no harm and lightly with a smile. If you "mix in a compliment" how does that help when a HB 9 or 10 gets compliments every day, all day? I got told I was being insulting when I told my ex; that I was out with my boys and a girl with a certain characteristic she shares with my x has approached me and I said "and I realized how long it's been since I thought of you!"

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I think that they can be light insults, but they work 10x better when you look as though you're actually trying to be nice while accidentally betraying a low opinion of the girl. The girl picks up on this and immediately wants what she can't have.

I'm not good at "being mean" to people either, especially when they're hot girls and I've been conditioned to treat them like they're pure gold. Like almost everything else in pua, it takes practice. Moderately good looking girls are 10s in the eyes of an AFC, and so when you start to force yourself to find something wrong with a girl, and then find a way to express it the form of an innocent statement, you're no longer a chump in the eyes of your target. Asking for negs may be a short-cut, but if you force yourself to be creative, day after day, you can quickly develop them on-the-spot when you need them because of all of the practice you've had. Eventually you'll come up with a few versatile one's that are good for a variety of situations.

Practice practice practice. Brainstorm about your target's flaws in your spare time, and you'll come up with something unique to your target that will have a much stronger impact than some borrowed neg.

what would u suggest u say once u notice a flaw, such as an ugly toe(s), ugly foot, small tits, flat or big ass, hooked schnoz, or anything to not appear too mean but to convey an IOD?

To re-work it slightly..

"I can see why you wore that dress, I almost didn't even notice your shoes"..

This approach does a few things. makes her wonder if you like or dis-like the shoes at the same time when you continue to talk to the other girls it shows your dis-interest. A true HB will try to own the conversation and ask "what do you mean.. do you not like them..ie" putting the leverage in your hands to lead the conversation.

Just my opinion.

in this light your eyes look like saphires its a pity there so red though.
thats one i just came up with now. Wonder if it works? it would probably make her feel awkward and it would be good if you wanted to change girl because she would prob go look in the mirror hence bathroom so you have time again to build up your higher worth by grabbing some other chick.

What do you guys think?

I agreewith you 100% Being too mean is burrying yourself in a pit. Goodluck trying to get out. Use it with caution
Honestly a great neg.

I think one thing that a lot of people are failing to understand is that the number of negs or in this case the potency of the neg used needs to depend on how hot the girl is. Yes, you should throw something pretty substantial at an HB9 because you have to drop her to your level. However, using any neg that is just blatantly mean is likely to end up blowing you out unless you are super good with your delivery and I'm willing to bet most guys couldn't pull off something like the makeup line because women get soo defensive about that stuff. Use that neg on a girl below a certain level and you will hurt her feelings too badly (Style advocates that people want to be around others who make them feel good about themselves) and on a girl who is above a certain level, she will just get pissed at you. I would advocate using a higher amount of playful negs throughout rather than one really bad one. Also, I think anyone having trouble with negs needs to learn neg theory which basically tells why a neg is needed and how they should be used. Keep in mind, the purpose of a neg is to lower a girl who has too high of an opinion of herself to let herself be attracted to you and also to convey that you aren't hitting on her but the less attractive a girl is, the less she gets hit on, thus the less negging you need to do. My opinion is that 90% of the time for girls lower than HB7.5 negs are not even necessary.

I've read on some site but can't remember what site it was. It was about Neg-Hits. You want to becareful of what neg you give out. Not all girls will tolerate the neg. It's mostly the 9 and 10's. The rule of thumb is that 7-8 gets them about once and a 9 and 10's get about two to three.

You have to gauge ow much value the woman shows or displays. You can usally tell by her body language. The ones that are high maintence, stuck up or bitches-these are the ones you wanna neg.

Neg hits work on three forms:

1) Physical features such as eye liner, booger, stain on her shrt or even the make up one. If she wears too much lipstick you can say amognst the lines of, "I like when women wear make up but you my dear just go to the extreme with it!" Smile and don't forget to smile. She will get that you're kidding and laugh with you.

It's sometimes said that with a girl that is stuck up, high status or have high standards that you deliver the neg in a serious tone with a poker face. Once you get the expression of, "Oh my god! I can't believe he just said that to me! Nobody says that kinda stuff to me" then she'll be more interested and want to get to know you.

2) Her speech, height, (NEVER WEIGHT-woman are sensitve with weight), something she wears or something that relates to her personally.

3) How she treats people so if she blows off your friend just tell her, "Wow! You're cute but a fisty one!" or you can use a C&F line, "That wasn't poliet, I know you have more manners than that-unless you heave fuck off written on your fore head." This is a MIXED-NEG that I call it. It's using C&F Line with a SNIPER NEG.

there are also different types of negs!

SNIPER NEGS - Is she always like this? (You always want to say it to the group to disarm their sheilds and make it seem like you're not interested in the target.)

SNIPER NEGS - "Is that a eye booger you got there?" or "I like your nails-are they fake?" or "I love your hair-is it a wig?" (This is more widely used against her, amongst the other three phases of neg-hits I talked about above.)

TEASE NEG - "Ewww....I can't believe you did that!" or "Your a sick little monster!" or "That was so disgusting I think I'm gonna puke!" (This is teasing her while negging her at the same time. Mystery coined this term.)

MIXED-NEG : "That's really funny except I wasn't laughing!" or "Wow! Your hair looks like a fireball! So what's up-Fireball?" (MIX-NEG is what I sometimes use when I'm in a way teasing the target but also negging her. So I would tease\neg her about something she either wears, looks, personality, what she does, or whatever then I would use C&F line to bust her out on shit she did then give her a nick name associated with what she did!) E.G: [She drops something] "Wow! You're clumbsier than I thought! [go pick up the object] here you go clumbsy!"

MIXED NEG may not be any good use for you but it works for me. But that's my style and I could get away with being alittle insultive sometimes. This one chick TIGGER, I would mixed-negged her alot. What it also does is send a mixed-signal. So a modification to that would be sweetness+neg+C&F=MIXED NEG. So say if she drops something, "Awww, you're so clumbsy that I could adopt you for the seven dwarfs and you can be that dwarf named Clumbsy!"

You can usually tell if a woman is high maintence by the clothes she wears, how she olds her purse, how she walks; like if she walk back straight, walking in long strides and kinda with closed gestures. This could indicate she's a high maintness woman or sometimes stuck on her self. Also how she talks-like if sh talks about mostly how she did that or whatever, or seeks too much attention, or loves compliments but never gives any back. This is a good indicator of a HM and a SU girl.

HOpe this help man, I'm here to help you out the best way I can! Peace out!

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This is a great thread for something I just ran into.

HB10s are dancing, they dance like 10s too. There were some bad dancers so I wisper in the HB10 ears as they walk by...."theres enough bad dancers in here already?" I said it with a smile too and that is why i can't understand their response of "What did you say...why are we bad"

I just replied with a straight face..."because your bad." (I already smiled the first time, and that would look like a shmuck to back down.)

Next thing I hear is "fuck you, f you, I bet your dick is this small, piece of shit." mulitple flip off signs, and f bombs. I looked the opposite direction and didn't say anthing back. They then came back 10 minutes later with more flip off gestures.

I think I should of replied with something instead of a "because your bad" when they asked why I said that. maybe something like "I smiled, you figure it out why I just said that." Or "your bad compared to the Dallas Cowbays dance team." Think this could of turned around the situation and built attraction or was I fucked??

......Moral of this thread I WISH I knew of the delicacy of negs. These boads show negs as something tossed around like an observational/opinion opener.

Any articles on the fine line of negs out there?, I think one needs to be nailed to the top of the forum.

lol You gotta love the HB that are 10s!

You should have hit them with a compliment then negged. Next time if this situation arises instead of saying "because your bad" try

"No I said you made every else on the dance floor look bad but I would have made you looked bad if I was out there dancing"

Now if they give you the fuck off or anything that is very negative. Then thats that, but if they give you like a smile, a laugh, if they shit test you by like saying "Really or I don't believe you can etc" quickly take their hand and guide them to the dance floor while saying "Watch me prove you wrong" I advise you say that before/while reaching for their hand though.

The main reason it works because NO girl likes to be proven wrong!

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No!!!!!! NO!!!!!!! No.

Don't try to compliment the neg involving her make-up.

Make-up, its the one thing all girls use to support their insecurity.

Say this next time as a hook, "I can see under all that make-up. I can see who you really are."(Ehh, badly phrased)

And bam, they'll be hooked if you give the right delivery.

If you find a serious HB target i think this 1's always a good one...

Risque: you know how ugly girls have really hot friends...
HB: ye
Risque: where are your friends at?

not one for the faint hearted
needs to be said in a light mannered way


Risque

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I agree. It also depends on her good looking the woman is. You can't use certain negs that you would use on a HB10 to a HB7. She might not be as confident in herself.

Something like: "Wow. Your wearing a lot of makeup tonight aren't you. Why? You have the most beautiful skin."

You have insulted her makeup skills but complimented her natural beuty. Don't neg someone with something they can't change.

Happy Sarging

I think its a great one, just the hugging part should be as short and not intimate at all