My buddy and I have been using a few different opinion openers for several months now. In the beginning we only got, "So how's the survey?" once. We were also sarging a lot less than. Now, we are getting it much more often. I've tried a few different methods of dealing with it: 1) just ignore what she says 2) say its great 3) today I pretended to pull out a paper and write on my hand and said girl with blonde hair and black and red and lacey top says... (she seemed to giggle some and was like "this shirt is purple"). Is it in our tone? Have I done it so much that it's become routine and so it sounds like it's rehearsed? Or do other guys just get this. I mean if you approach enough women over time asking for their opinion some could might just say that. How do you guys think I'm handling it?

Overcome the problem of being called out on your opener by not using canned openers.

Totally agreed with Charles. Fuck the opinion openers. If you're set on doing opinion openers, then at least make the opinion about something going on in the immediate vicinity (requires improvisation) and not "hey I need your opinion on something."

Think of what the girl is thinking when a guy asks her opinion on his buddy's upcoming tattoo or whatever. If you were her, you might immediately think "this guy has no women in his life to ask this so he's asking me, a total stranger."

My advice: Go situational.

You've got to stop feeling like you are performing and instead meld in to the realness of the situation by convincing yourself that you are speaking with a woman whom you already know when in reality you just met her.

My favourite questionnaire here on the forum, I just love your questions my man )

Here's the thing - you are using the survey thing to hide from exposing yourself to the real deal.

It's better than doing nothing, but it's also like riding a bike with training wheels for too long.

It's time for you to step out of your cocoon and live life a little bit more dangerously - like risking
a serious rejection by a girl.

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You're a lucky guy - the first 3 replies on your thread, are from guys who genuinely know their stuff.

However, if you're not comfortable enough to switch it up yet, just either make a joke like you did about the shirt, or ignore what she says.

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These opinion opener/canned routine threads often are like a guy with a Honda asking Toyota fans, "my car wouldnt drive" and instead of the Toyota fans saying "put gas in it", they say "buy a Toyota." My point is, let the guy at least do the canned shit SENSIBLY before condemning it, instead of hearing him do it badly to push another style on him. If a direct/natural guy came with a problem with his direct/natural openers, the advice wouldnt be to abandon it altogether. Most of the concepts like negs, opinion openers, routines, are just not practiced properly, and then thrown in the crap bucket for the natural stuff, which admittedly works 1/10 times or some shit. "My opinion openers sometimes get questioned....Oh...go natural...Wow..with natural I get rejected more but I lay fatties 1/10 times."

Rant over. Make your shit relevant, and give a reason for whatever question you're asking. By making it relevant, I mean at a bar, good opinion openers can revolve around drinks, hooking up stories, drama. Give a reason why you're asking the question. Help settle a debate...you guys look fun so you can help with this. I have no idea what you could be using the get the survey line.

What was the opener out of curiosity?

If you have a sticking point on the reaction, it's quite common sense to use a different that has good reactions and has a easy transition into a conversation...

This is the problem with canned openers however, I have laid quite a lot of women with the gambler 'how soon is too soon to get married' opener. Google it.

These days I just make shit up on the fly.

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Thank you neo for expressing that rant! Obviously, my ultimate goal is to be natural, but since "going natural" and being myself wasn't getting me the sex I want why the hell would I continue to do that? If I was good at "natural" I wouldn't be on this site. Having said that, I also appreciate the first three posts to push myself into adopting more "natural." I have been watching much of RSD's videos, which appear much more natural, however, I'm not getting responses that continue when I use, "You. Who are you? What's your name?" I guess this technically isn't natural either since, it's a different form of canned. However, I see from the canned stuff how to be emotionally valuable for the indirect opinion openers and I see how to be "pressure on" and "overwhelming" with the RSD stuff. As I practice more canned stuff and see how it works, it gives me ideas of how to develop my own routines or canned stuff for when I run out of natural stuff. I have integrated a ton of natural stuff and my buddy and I even have a few DHV and kino routines we've developed as we better understood what is the emotional intention behind the routines.

Having said this, I often do get an excellent response with the canned stuff. It's just occasionally I get the "survey" response. Yes, I think I will continue to turn it into a joke or just ignore it and continue leading.

I switch up the opener. I sometimes use, "If a girl has a boyfriend and goes to a bar and gets tipsy and makes out with another girl, is that cheating?" Or "who's a bigger asshole: guys or girls?" Or "Who has it harder in relationships?" depending on the situation.

Read The Natural Art of Seduction - Richard "Gambler" La Ruina.

(Obviously you're not natural if you use another guys material, but it'll sure as f*ck help you BECOME naturally good, and not leave you feeling like you've got to rely on material.)

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I'd love to hear your stats before PUA vs now lol. Always thought you seemed like a man-slag.

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Of course an opinion opener sounds rehearsed. Who actually goes up to random strangers and begins reciting a soliloquy about their friend's cheating girlfriend or w.e. the question is. To be honest I think girls MUST know it's a pickup line when guys go over like that, because half of these openers with the wording etc it's just too unsual while at the same time being too in-depth and wordy. They must just go along with it because they like the guy.

All of the "scripts" and "canned routines" I've read are like fully fledged screenplays. The ones Ross Jeffries writes could probably be brought to the fucking silver screen lol... See that's an example of what I mean though. There's no way on this Earth girls are hearing Ross Jeffries recite a 10 page "routine" and thinking he's coming up with it on the spot, it's just not possible

Just realized I went completely off-topic and didn't even answer the question... Of course you should play it off casually. Their gentle teasing is just a casual thing, definitely don't take it serious or attach meaning to it.

Ha cheers, I was a Virgin pretty much.

Now I'm close to 100. I'm currently in Thailand and got my PR of 5 new girls in one day, 4 from tinder and a SNL from a night club :p - so yeah I'm a bit of a man slag I guess or "sexually liberated"

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Your libido must be through the fucking roof lol. Well, they do say a guy can fuck a lot more times in a day as long as it's different women. You'd be a fucking great wing, lol. How long has that 100 taken?

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ha cheers bro.

I was got into this when i was 23, got into a relationship on 35 lays between 26- 28 years old. I am now 30 , balding and seem to be doing better than I did when I was hardcore into pickup. I focus on other stuff. I guess this because I am leading a decent life as opposed to the PUA lifestyle of doing nothing but trying to get laid 24/7 so the girls kinda want to be around me more.

I guess my libido is high, I legit think i have an addiction if i'm honest, I could think of worse things to be addicted too though....5 times, yeah obviously the sex isn't as enjoyable when you nut quite a few times in one day. I am about to leave Thailand with some many DTF wanting the Dragula but i just didn't have time to fit them in. I will be back for sure.

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Man, 7 years ago... I was 19 and had spent the last 2 years frantically trying to get my ex back via the friendzone, and being my best friends wingman on his dates, so I can hopefully get the ugly friend. I love reminiscing lol. Makes me feel like I've turned into a pimp.

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